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Let's Talk About the Abomination That Is the Cromnibus

First of all, that word is itself an abomination. But that's what we're calling this omnibus spending bill that passed the House yesterday and the Senate is considering.

Second of all, holy shit is this deal awful for everyone who isn't fabulously wealthy. Elizabeth Warren is trying to kill it, but probably doesn't have the votes, between the Democratic leadership and the White House supporting it.

Terrible things it does:
- Raises caps to annual contributions to the RNC/DNC from $32,400 to $324,000
- Removes the provision that banned the taxpayer from insuring high risk trading (re-socializing risk while keeping profits private)
- Removed risk corridors from the ACA, which probably means rate hikes for consumers
- Pension benefits can be cut, even from current retirees. Pensions are earned soooo that's goosey as all hell
- DC is not allowed to implement the marijuana decriminalization they passed by referendum
- Lessened restrictions on hours trucking companies can make their truckers work. Now up to 82 hours (just short of half the week).
- Pell grant cuts. That money rerouted to private student loan companies
- More funding for coal power plants
- Edits to medical loss ratio calculations to benefit insurers
- Eliminates restrictions on NSA backdoor searches of Americans
- Blocks the EPA from regulation water sources for farmers
- Makes sure we can keep funding the new Egyptian dictatorship
- Reduces nutrition standards in school lunches
- No more new species can be added to the endangered species list
- De-regulates lead use
- Limits foreign aid for countries climate change fucks over
- Once again takes any money that might be used to close Gitmo away and bans the transfer of those prisoners to sites in the US proper
- The stupid GOP obsession with light bulb standards is validated, money for enforcing that is taken away

That's just some of the amazing bullshit they stuck in here. Remember: nominally the Democrats still control parts of the government. But this is what they gave away now. This is not encouraging for the next two years.

The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    It's fine; the EPA with it's new boss wasn't going to get anything done anyway.

    With Love and Courage
  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    - No more new species can be added to the endangered species list

    That was a surprisingly easy problem to solve.

  • XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    I .... hope that's from the Onion

    but I have a really terrible feeling

  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    This needs a veto

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    This needs a veto

    White House was whipping support for it yesterday and is probably the only reason it passed.

    Senator Professor Warren is our best hope, probably.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • JepheryJephery Registered User regular
    De-regulates lead use

    Time to see if the lead-crime hypothesis is correct!

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    "Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
  • AiouaAioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    This needs a veto

    White House was whipping support for it yesterday and is probably the only reason it passed.

    Senator Professor Warren is our best hope, probably.

    What.

    Why?

    Why the fuck, obama?

    Like, even counting Obama as a centrist this is waaaaaaay to his right.

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    This is terrible.

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Jephery wrote: »
    De-regulates lead use

    Time to see if the lead-crime hypothesis is correct!

    Reading further, I think it's for ammunition and fishing stuff? So not society wide.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    - No more new species can be added to the endangered species list

    That was a surprisingly easy problem to solve.

    But...
    What...
    I mean...

    How does that work at all? That makes no sense.

    Jesus Christ, America.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    - Pension benefits can be cut, even from current retirees.

    FjYOFgI.jpg

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Everything I read about this bill makes it sound worse. It's like a never-ending fountain of terrible.

    Why the fuck is Obama supporting this? What's the logic?

    Is he just afraid of another shutdown?

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    - No more new species can be added to the endangered species list

    That was a surprisingly easy problem to solve.

    But...
    What...
    I mean...

    How does that work at all? That makes no sense.

    Jesus Christ, America.

    This explains it
    The spending bill would block any federal funds going toward determining whether the Gunnison sage grouse or greater sage grouse — two species of bird native to the western U.S. — are eligible for listing under the Endangered Species Act. The Gunnison sage grouse has been the subject of a decades-long fight between environmentalists, energy companies who want to drill in the sage grouse’s habitat, and ranchers who use the habitat for grazing land. The Gunnison sage grouse was listed as “threatened” by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service last month, but the agency originally had until next September to figure out a listing for the greater sage grouse. Under the spending bill, the agency would have to wait until after September 2015 to determine the greater sage grouse’s status. Concerns over what designation the sage grouse will be awarded have already scared off bidders for oil and gas leases in Nevada, as energy companies worry that an endangered status would make it too difficult to drill or frack in the region.

  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    - No more new species can be added to the endangered species list

    That was a surprisingly easy problem to solve.

    But...
    What...
    I mean...

    How does that work at all? That makes no sense.

    Jesus Christ, America.

    This explains it
    The spending bill would block any federal funds going toward determining whether the Gunnison sage grouse or greater sage grouse — two species of bird native to the western U.S. — are eligible for listing under the Endangered Species Act. The Gunnison sage grouse has been the subject of a decades-long fight between environmentalists, energy companies who want to drill in the sage grouse’s habitat, and ranchers who use the habitat for grazing land. The Gunnison sage grouse was listed as “threatened” by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service last month, but the agency originally had until next September to figure out a listing for the greater sage grouse. Under the spending bill, the agency would have to wait until after September 2015 to determine the greater sage grouse’s status. Concerns over what designation the sage grouse will be awarded have already scared off bidders for oil and gas leases in Nevada, as energy companies worry that an endangered status would make it too difficult to drill or frack in the region.

    Fuck you, oil interests.

    I say that as an Albertan.

    Fuck. You.

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    ;.;

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    - No more new species can be added to the endangered species list

    That was a surprisingly easy problem to solve.

    But...
    What...
    I mean...

    How does that work at all? That makes no sense.

    Jesus Christ, America.

    This explains it
    The spending bill would block any federal funds going toward determining whether the Gunnison sage grouse or greater sage grouse — two species of bird native to the western U.S. — are eligible for listing under the Endangered Species Act. The Gunnison sage grouse has been the subject of a decades-long fight between environmentalists, energy companies who want to drill in the sage grouse’s habitat, and ranchers who use the habitat for grazing land. The Gunnison sage grouse was listed as “threatened” by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service last month, but the agency originally had until next September to figure out a listing for the greater sage grouse. Under the spending bill, the agency would have to wait until after September 2015 to determine the greater sage grouse’s status. Concerns over what designation the sage grouse will be awarded have already scared off bidders for oil and gas leases in Nevada, as energy companies worry that an endangered status would make it too difficult to drill or frack in the region.

    Fuck you, oil interests.

    I say that as an Albertan.

    Fuck. You.

    Before you say that, you may want to GiS the Gunnison sage grouse.

    Gunnison-Sage-Grouse_Noppadol-Paothong.jpg

    Cause I am firmly on team "Kill them all with fire"

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    I'd like Democratic leadership with a motherfucking spine.

  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    That is a rad looking bird. Ridiculous animals are the best.

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    _J_ wrote: »
    - No more new species can be added to the endangered species list

    That was a surprisingly easy problem to solve.

    But...
    What...
    I mean...

    How does that work at all? That makes no sense.

    Jesus Christ, America.

    This explains it
    The spending bill would block any federal funds going toward determining whether the Gunnison sage grouse or greater sage grouse — two species of bird native to the western U.S. — are eligible for listing under the Endangered Species Act. The Gunnison sage grouse has been the subject of a decades-long fight between environmentalists, energy companies who want to drill in the sage grouse’s habitat, and ranchers who use the habitat for grazing land. The Gunnison sage grouse was listed as “threatened” by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service last month, but the agency originally had until next September to figure out a listing for the greater sage grouse. Under the spending bill, the agency would have to wait until after September 2015 to determine the greater sage grouse’s status. Concerns over what designation the sage grouse will be awarded have already scared off bidders for oil and gas leases in Nevada, as energy companies worry that an endangered status would make it too difficult to drill or frack in the region.

    Fuck you, oil interests.

    I say that as an Albertan.

    Fuck. You.

    Before you say that, you may want to GiS the Gunnison sage grouse.

    Gunnison-Sage-Grouse_Noppadol-Paothong.jpg

    Cause I am firmly on team "Kill them all with fire"

    it's a bird with boobs

    J hates boobs everyone

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
  • CaedwyrCaedwyr Registered User regular
    What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican administration again and why should one support one group over the other?

  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    That makes me dislike the bill even more. That bird is awesome.

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  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    Why is it that none of the websites about this bird start with "Ok, so here's what those ball / boob things are."?

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    _J_ wrote: »
    Why is it that none of the websites about this bird start with "Ok, so here's what those ball / boob things are."?

    because the first picture you posted is bird pron J

    the NSA is controlling your browser already.

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    which by the way is probably one of the top 5 bad things on that bill

  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    1) How is there not a pokemon based on that thing?
    shryke wrote: »
    Everything I read about this bill makes it sound worse. It's like a never-ending fountain of terrible.

    Why the fuck is Obama supporting this? What's the logic?

    Is he just afraid of another shutdown?

    2) Yeah, probably.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Caedwyr wrote: »
    What's the difference between a Democrat and a Republican administration again and why should one support one group over the other?

    This is the GOP compromise with the Dems in the Senate.

    The Dems would not propose this kind of bill on their own. The GOP would propose a worse one if they didn't have to float it past the Senate and a veto.

    So yeah, your whole "both parties are the same" thing still doesn't make sense.

  • TraceTrace GNU Terry Pratchett; GNU Gus; GNU Carrie Fisher; GNU Adam We Registered User regular
    Fund the government and shut down America bill.

  • _J__J_ Pedant Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2014
  • FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    1) How is there not a pokemon based on that thing?
    shryke wrote: »
    Everything I read about this bill makes it sound worse. It's like a never-ending fountain of terrible.

    Why the fuck is Obama supporting this? What's the logic?

    Is he just afraid of another shutdown?

    2) Yeah, probably.

    I think he's more afraid of what a GoP lead Congress still miffed about the immigration action he did would try to pass in February, cause I think the result of this not passing would be a straight CR.

    At least in Sep 2015, you have the presidential hopefuls worrying about how what they say/do will affect their chances in the primaries, but early in a non-election year? There is no telling what kind of derp they'll try to push through.

    Foefaller on
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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited December 2014
    Foefaller wrote: »
    1) How is there not a pokemon based on that thing?
    shryke wrote: »
    Everything I read about this bill makes it sound worse. It's like a never-ending fountain of terrible.

    Why the fuck is Obama supporting this? What's the logic?

    Is he just afraid of another shutdown?

    2) Yeah, probably.

    I think he's more afraid of what a GoP lead Congress still miffed about the immigration action he did would try to push in February, cause I think the result of this not passing is going to be a straight CR.

    At least in Sep 2015, you have the presidential hopefuls worrying about how what they say/do will affect their chances in the primaries, but early in a non-election year? There is no telling what kind of derp they'll try to push through.

    The funding for DHS (Which includes immigration) ends in March when the new republicans are in office.

    So they're already doing that anyway.

    Quid on
  • FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    Quid wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    1) How is there not a pokemon based on that thing?
    shryke wrote: »
    Everything I read about this bill makes it sound worse. It's like a never-ending fountain of terrible.

    Why the fuck is Obama supporting this? What's the logic?

    Is he just afraid of another shutdown?

    2) Yeah, probably.

    I think he's more afraid of what a GoP lead Congress still miffed about the immigration action he did would try to push in February, cause I think the result of this not passing is going to be a straight CR.

    At least in Sep 2015, you have the presidential hopefuls worrying about how what they say/do will affect their chances in the primaries, but early in a non-election year? There is no telling what kind of derp they'll try to push through.

    The funding for DHS (Which includes immigration) ends in March when the new republicans are in office.

    So they're already doing that anyway.

    True, but they will only have that part of the government to hold hostage, not to mention the trouble trying to explain to people why shutting down the department responsible for border security and deporting illegals is the best way to pass legislation for enforcing border security and deporting illegals.

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  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    1) How is there not a pokemon based on that thing?
    shryke wrote: »
    Everything I read about this bill makes it sound worse. It's like a never-ending fountain of terrible.

    Why the fuck is Obama supporting this? What's the logic?

    Is he just afraid of another shutdown?

    2) Yeah, probably.

    I think he's more afraid of what a GoP lead Congress still miffed about the immigration action he did would try to push in February, cause I think the result of this not passing is going to be a straight CR.

    At least in Sep 2015, you have the presidential hopefuls worrying about how what they say/do will affect their chances in the primaries, but early in a non-election year? There is no telling what kind of derp they'll try to push through.

    The funding for DHS (Which includes immigration) ends in March when the new republicans are in office.

    So they're already doing that anyway.

    True, but they will only have that part of the government to hold hostage, not to mention the trouble trying to explain to people why shutting down the department responsible for border security and deporting illegals is the best way to pass legislation for enforcing border security and deporting illegals.

    I am sure they will find a way.

  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    "We aren't defunding it. Democrats are by not compromising and doing everything we say."

    I don't know why anyone would expect them to have to try any harder than that.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    Foefaller wrote: »
    1) How is there not a pokemon based on that thing?
    shryke wrote: »
    Everything I read about this bill makes it sound worse. It's like a never-ending fountain of terrible.

    Why the fuck is Obama supporting this? What's the logic?

    Is he just afraid of another shutdown?

    2) Yeah, probably.

    I think he's more afraid of what a GoP lead Congress still miffed about the immigration action he did would try to pass in February, cause I think the result of this not passing would be a straight CR.

    At least in Sep 2015, you have the presidential hopefuls worrying about how what they say/do will affect their chances in the primaries, but early in a non-election year? There is no telling what kind of derp they'll try to push through.
    But he has the fucking veto.

    Yeah, that bill is fucking moronic. The pensioms thing is particularly bad - though it also runs way afoul of the constitution imo, exceeding the powers granted congress (by fucking with private contracts), and violating the prohibition on government taking proprty without due process and compensation (as this clearly damages the property rights of pensioners).

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Foefaller wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Foefaller wrote: »
    1) How is there not a pokemon based on that thing?
    shryke wrote: »
    Everything I read about this bill makes it sound worse. It's like a never-ending fountain of terrible.

    Why the fuck is Obama supporting this? What's the logic?

    Is he just afraid of another shutdown?

    2) Yeah, probably.

    I think he's more afraid of what a GoP lead Congress still miffed about the immigration action he did would try to push in February, cause I think the result of this not passing is going to be a straight CR.

    At least in Sep 2015, you have the presidential hopefuls worrying about how what they say/do will affect their chances in the primaries, but early in a non-election year? There is no telling what kind of derp they'll try to push through.

    The funding for DHS (Which includes immigration) ends in March when the new republicans are in office.

    So they're already doing that anyway.

    True, but they will only have that part of the government to hold hostage, not to mention the trouble trying to explain to people why shutting down the department responsible for border security and deporting illegals is the best way to pass legislation for enforcing border security and deporting illegals.

    You're relying on accurate reporting from the American media. While I would love to live in that world...

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • manjimanji Registered User regular
    this thread is not about xmas being replaced by worship of Hyborian god Crom, like i was hoping

    instead - pure moustache-twirling evil. just what the fuck? have they at least hidden those amongst some more benevolent clauses?

  • Jubal77Jubal77 Registered User regular
    manji wrote: »
    this thread is not about xmas being replaced by worship of Hyborian god Crom, like i was hoping

    instead - pure moustache-twirling evil. just what the fuck? have they at least hidden those amongst some more benevolent clauses?

    Other than funding the government and letting them head off for their normal extended holiday break? Not really. It is the essence of the poison pill. How much do they think they can fit in with the leverage they got from the mid terms? Well some pretty large provisions actually. Man those mid terms were depressing.

  • PolaritiePolaritie Sleepy Registered User regular
    manji wrote: »
    this thread is not about xmas being replaced by worship of Hyborian god Crom, like i was hoping

    instead - pure moustache-twirling evil. just what the fuck? have they at least hidden those amongst some more benevolent clauses?

    Yeah, the government doesnt shut down. I think fear of January buckled the dems here, instead of them rallying.behind the veto to know they had negotiating.power.

    Of course, with so much of the population taking Republican talking.points on Fox as fact...

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