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Reminds me that I need to send Warner a letter, telling him that the Keystone Pipeline is a fucking stupid thing.
if their votes were actually going to be decisive they would be under much more pressure to oppose it
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Because democratic politicians have never met a republican position they couldn't get behind in a desperate attempt to make idiots think they're bipartisan.
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Killing this bill dead would've set the stage for the rest of the session. Right now the dems are saying they'll roll over for anything
Nah, they're saying they'll try and stop the silliness while handing the GOP PR win after PR win.
Also fairly conservative by this board's standards many times.
There's alot of "centrist" (read - republican light) democrats.
There are Democrats to the right of spool.
I tend to think that the sort of Democrats who support the Keystone pipeline are the kind of Democrats who have no ideology whatsoever. If you can call them right-wing it's not a function of their actual beliefs (of which they have few) but instead due to right-wing causes being favorable to their donors.
The Browns and the Redskins played this year.
The fact that donors is the correct word and not constituents...
Well, let's just say it's the start of the fall of Rome
The important thing to realize is that Democrats are basically the party of Not-Republicans, and that Republicans are basically just one far-right ideology. It's hard to unite everything else, which is part of the reason I think Democrats have so much message trouble - the tent has become too big as the GOP moves to the right.
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Yeah if you realize that
then you're completely wrong and you should instead consider that the attitude from whence that statement arises is part of the reason you don't have more support for your leftwing positions.
I mean, this whole sequence of comments has been:
1: even Republicans who are pretty committed to conservatism can see through this keystone bullshit
2: there are democrats who are farther to the right than spool
3: Democrats who support keystone are in the pockets of donors rather than having a solid ideology
4: all Republicans are a single far-right ideology
wtf where did 4 come from? Good grief.
To the topic at hand!
yeah I'm not really in favor of driving Keystone through the Congress. it's entirely theater at this point and I find it both frustrating and tiresome. Congressional GOP wants to do it as a sop to donors and an opportunity to go Im On Record Hating Teh Libruls And Greens. Obama can veto it with no consequences in order to give his leftwing base their twice-yearly pointless sad hand job.
Everybody says how they hate everybody else, the fundraising letters go out, and DC is happy again. Fuck that.
Conservation is a conservative position. Actual conservative ideology (not to mention Christian and especially evangelical ideology) demands that we conserve resources and care for the earth as good stewards. Shitting it up for corporate interests is not conservativism, it's corporatism.
The GOP is traditionally more in lockstep than the Democratic Party. What's eroded this further is by running further right the moderate voices have less and less power. Republicans as a whole can be diverse*, the GOP itself and the politicians they elect not so much.
* more in the past, due to the Tea Party takeover
The GOP's solid and remarkably consistent messaging discipline as well as the party discipline on difficult votes.
Contrast with the start of the conversation where the D's absolutely do not have that.
I appreciate the quasi-moderation of his statement, but it's just frankly ridiculous to view Republicans and the Republican Party as a unified far-right ideology. It's not true in the Congress, it's not true in the nation, and it makes for great lefty partisan attack lines in the fundraising letters and GOTV pushes, which is why people who oppose them say it so often.
I think that "message discipline" is a hilarious thing to accuse the GOP of in the context of Cruz shitting on McConnell's olive branch to the President right after the midterms, in light of Christie and Abbot both being Republican governors, in light of the votes for speaker in the current Congress...
Man, John Boehner gets a desperate boner every time he imagines having a party caucus like the one you think he does.
No doubt it isn't a complete unified front. You're right that the GOP has fights with itself regularly. However, we do know the main factions who win tend to not be moderates, and they're losing their power to hold back the far right with every passing year. The GOP itself is far right, and has been for as long as I can recall. What happens is that they Overton Window for Moderate Right gets shunted to the right by far right factions (which the GOP have more than a single group coasting on that position to various degrees) every few years, which impacts the party itself and politics around it. For example Neocons were far fight when W. was in the White House, now they appear moderate since the current Far Right is the Tea Partiers - that doesn't mean the Neocons weren't Far Right then and now, merely the state in politics has let another crazier faction dictate how further the Far Right is. What's infuriating is that when the GOP does this it pulls the Democrats further right along with them.
No, the immediate "we want to compromise and work with the President" statement. Cruz's initial statement on victory night was more like "yes get rekt time to shove things down the President's throooooat woooooo"
I hate doing this, but how old are you?
It hasn't been far right for as long as I've been voting, nevermind as long as I can recall. I mean, come on.
Words, not actions. Everyone says that. Then the first day they ram through Keystone, attack Social Security, and introduce a nationwide abortion ban.
If their first action had been even something as simple as confirming the President's pick for Attorney General, then maybe they could talk.
It's a fair point
However, the President's response to those words was an executive order on Immigration despite statements from the incoming majority that doing so would poison the well for compromise.
So. Maybe he should've not done that.
Yes, if there's one thing the GOP is known for it's compromising.
So what was the bipartisan senate bill that languished in the house for two years?
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Further, a bill that by all known whip counts would have passed the house if it had been brought to a vote?
Ranging from far right to "hoo boy, that is some crazy bullshit" is not technically a monolith, yes...
Yea, none of the dissent in the Republican party could be mistaken as being more towards the D side of things. The same is not the least bit true of the reverse.
But if you wanted to make declarative statements on issues, like "All Republicans support limits on Abortion" it's much easier for the R side than the D unless you get into things like "All Democrats like Money."
http://news.yahoo.com/chris-christie-gay-marriage-move-stirs-gop-072124880--election.html
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Jeb_Bush_Immigration.htm
http://www.logcabin.org/
I dunno, this looks exactly like the thing you say doesn't exist.
I feel like this is really insulting, for a bunch of reasons.
edit: really insulting. Dogmatic. Exclusionary.
If you are laughing at those people, it says something about you, not them.
He means they have no power to get what they want. How often do you see them effecting anything in the news?