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    oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    Friends,

    The liberal media elites and their socialist masters in Ottawa have conspired to shut down and shutter the valiant voice of Sun News Network, the true voice of the Canadian people. The stakes have never been higher, and we'll need all the help we can get to neuter the censors at the CRTC. That only happens if another strong stable majority Conservative government is elected this fall, so please contribute $25 now to ensure that happens.

    - The Conservative Party of Canada

    PS - We mean it this time, we really really want to come through on all the bases crackpot ideas this time around.

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    CorporateGoonCorporateGoon Registered User regular
    But, how will Ezra commit slander, now? He's gonna be stuck with plain ol' libel, and that's just not the same.

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    UnbrokenEvaUnbrokenEva HIGH ON THE WIRE BUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered User regular
    I feel bad for the roughly 200 Sun News staffers that are losing their jobs today

    but not for Levant. Dancing a merry little jig, there.

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    SwashbucklerXXSwashbucklerXX Swashbucklin' Canuck Registered User regular
    It's all about ethics in oil journalism.

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    DaimarDaimar A Million Feet Tall of Awesome Registered User regular
    Welcome to the mad cow era again...woo...

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    Disco11Disco11 Registered User regular
    Daimar wrote: »
    Welcome to the mad cow era again...woo...

    Alberta really isn't catching a break lately.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Don't call it a comeback, it's been here for years

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    DaimarDaimar A Million Feet Tall of Awesome Registered User regular
    Realistically it won't have that great of an impact, the last case in 2011 was barely a blip since by that point there had already been a few confirmed cases in the US so they didn't lock down the borders like they did when we had our first case.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    So, yesterday police foiled a mass-shooting/suicide in Halifax planned for today. One suspect (male teenager) found dead, three more (two males and an American woman) in custody. They're crediting a tip from the public. No more details available at this time.

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    TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    Yeah, living in Halifax, that was a pretty crazy thing to wake up to as a headline.
    Good on the police, and thank god for whoever sent them the tip.

    Apparently the woman was arrested at the airport shortly after arriving in the province.

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    The Toronto Sun: classily implying that Ontario's new sex ed curriculum was designed by a pedophile to groom the entire province's children!

    http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/18/ben-levin-casts-a-shadow-over-new-sex-ed-curriculum

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    El SkidEl Skid The frozen white northRegistered User regular
    Wow thats...a huge stretch. The article seems to state its a huge stretch, but then goes on to make the implication anyway.

    Classy indeed!

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    MuzzmuzzMuzzmuzz Registered User regular
    Oh, the Sun has been playing that angle for a while.

    What's been annoying, my father has been basically parroting their line of view on this 'horrendous sex ed' cirrriculum on Facebook, flabbergasted that young children would be learning about body parts, and what adults do (and that if someone does it to them, they need to know to go to the authorities, and not be silenced), and that only parents should be teaching their kids about the birds and the bees.

    To which I responded, that everything I knew about sex didn't come from mom and dad, it came from school. Mom and dad never actually taught me anything about sex ed, aside from body parts, which they speedily glossed over.

    Dad's been quiet on the subject ever since.

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Stephen Harper rejects calls for more oversight of new spy powers:
    Prime Minister Stephen Harper rejected calls for more political oversight of broad new spy and police powers, saying his Conservative government has “strengthened” oversight by turning to Canada’s judges.

    Seriously. Less than half a year ago, y'all were all like, judges be legislating from the bench, overturning the will of parliament, run amok!

    ALIENS. Conservatives have been consumed by ALIENS that have taken to wearing their skin.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    Stephen Harper rejects calls for more oversight of new spy powers:
    Prime Minister Stephen Harper rejected calls for more political oversight of broad new spy and police powers, saying his Conservative government has “strengthened” oversight by turning to Canada’s judges.

    Seriously. Less than half a year ago, y'all were all like, judges be legislating from the bench, overturning the will of parliament, run amok!

    ALIENS. Conservatives have been consumed by ALIENS that have taken to wearing their skin.

    I just have that nagging feeling that "investigations" in tight-race ridings will lead to thousands of arrests of "terror suspects" and "people of interests" who all coincidentally happen to not be Conservative voters on the morning of October 19th. I mean, all of them will be released on October 20th and it will just turn out to be an innocent foul-up by some low-level clerk. No harm, no foul. Except for all those ridings going to the Conservatives and giving them another majority.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    I somehow doubt that, considering the amount of shit that got stirred up from just misleading voters last election

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    EtiowsaEtiowsa Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    I somehow doubt that, considering the amount of shit that got stirred up from just misleading voters last election

    All that resulted in was them changing the rules so they can do the same thing again. This could just be them trying to get ahead of the curve.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    I somehow doubt that, considering the amount of shit that got stirred up from just misleading voters last election

    What amount of shit? They got a slap on the wrist. They didn't lose a seat, or hold a by-election, or drop in the polls. They made a couple of low-level staffers take the fall so the party and leadership was shielded from any blame and wasn't even called out. And Harper de-fanged Elections Canada so it won't happen again.

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    KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    edited February 2015
    If you seriously think that the Conservatives are going to somehow convince police across the country to detain their political opponents then I don't even know what to say.

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    Caulk Bite 6Caulk Bite 6 One of the multitude of Dans infesting this place Registered User regular
    On Election Day, no less.

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    CanadianWolverineCanadianWolverine Registered User regular
    KetBra wrote: »
    If you seriously think that the Conservatives are going to somehow convince police across the country to detain their political opponents then I don't even know what to say.

    You're pretty much describing the G8/G20 fiascos. Police were bused in from around the country IIRC.

    And to a lesser extent the peaceful protests that occurred during the Occupy 'movement'.

    Election day might be a stretch though, unless protests happen to take place at that time ... which political rallies to get out the vote could be labeled as such. :(

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    DeciusDecius I'm old! I'm fat! I'M BLUE!Registered User regular
    edited February 2015
    West Edmonton Mall was just named along with a few other public places as a potential target for terrorist activities. At the risk of circle jerking this shit, I do love the difference in reaction between the two countries.

    No 'imminent threat' to West Edmonton Mall visitors, RCMP says
    Mall of America patrons must be ‘careful’ amid threat, U.S. Says

    As an aside I've always found it entertaining that both malls are owned by the Ghermezians; an Iranian-Canadian family.

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    DeciusDecius I'm old! I'm fat! I'M BLUE!Registered User regular
    So this is a thing that has happened.

    Controversial anti-terror bill passes

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    edited February 2015
    Decius wrote: »
    So this is a thing that has happened.

    Controversial anti-terror bill passes

    Are we surprised? Every controversial, freedom-eroding, economy-busting, Canada-destroying bill Harper has imagined since he came to power has passed. Even in the minority government he pushed them through, and now with a majority he doesn't even need to push, he can just decree.

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    DeciusDecius I'm old! I'm fat! I'M BLUE!Registered User regular
    I'm not really surprised. I am disappointed, but that's my default state with this government.

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    edited February 2015
    What I found super-disappointing is how Quebec is getting onside with this shit. I held out hope that they were the lone bastion of sanity in the country. (Remember when Quebec separatists used to be the terrorists?)

    Well. Actually. There've been other recent signs of that being untrue.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    What I found super-disappointing is how Quebec is getting onside with this shit. I held out hope that they were the lone bastion of sanity in the country. (Remember when Quebec separatists used to be the terrorists?)

    Well. Actually. There've been other recent signs of that being untrue.

    Meh. I'm disappointed, obviously, but neither surprised nor worried. I'm not surprised because Harper's "security" measures are justified by a heavy doze of xenophobia and that's always been Québec's thing. And I'm not worried because even with these new developments, Harper's Conservatives are a distant fourth party in Québec federal voting intentions. Seriously, right now, the Bloc, without official party status and with all of two MPs who still somehow manage to have in-fighting, still gets more voting intentions and a higher seat projection than the Conservatives in this province.

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    blkmageblkmage Registered User regular
    Meanwhile, at Queen's Park:
    Hon. Kathleen O. Wynne: You know, that was a pretty broad-ranging question. Let me just quote back to the member something that he said yesterday. He said, "It's not the Premier of Ontario's job, especially Kathleen Wynne, to tell parents what's age-appropriate for their children. Mr. Speaker, let me just ask the member opposite: What is it that especially disqualifies me for the job that I'm doing? Is it that I'm a woman? Is it that I'm a mother? Is it that I have a master's of education? Is it that I was a school council chair? Is it that I was the Minister of Education? What is it exactly that the member opposite thinks disqualifies me from doing the job that I'm doing? What is that?

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    TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    What I found super-disappointing is how Quebec is getting onside with this shit. I held out hope that they were the lone bastion of sanity in the country. (Remember when Quebec separatists used to be the terrorists?)

    Well. Actually. There've been other recent signs of that being untrue.

    Well, there's Atlantic Canada, or at least there is for the 50% of the time the rest of the country remembers that this region exists.

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    CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    Federal elections still can't come soon enough.

    I for one haven't given up all hope for this country's political situation just yet. Especially given the situations in the states and Australia right now compared to us.

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    What I found super-disappointing is how Quebec is getting onside with this shit. I held out hope that they were the lone bastion of sanity in the country. (Remember when Quebec separatists used to be the terrorists?)

    Well. Actually. There've been other recent signs of that being untrue.

    Well, there's Atlantic Canada, or at least there is for the 50% of the time the rest of the country remembers that this region exists.

    The Cons have been winning NB pretty handily, no? And NS is split 3 ways? The other provinces are non-Cons admittedly, but it's pretty up and down for every party in Atlantic Canada, AFAIK, possible due to the small number of seats.

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    RichyRichy Registered User regular
    Corehealer wrote: »
    Federal elections still can't come soon enough.

    I for one haven't given up all hope for this country's political situation just yet. Especially given the situations in the states and Australia right now compared to us.

    And the UK and France... right-wing governments seem to be taking power all over the world, and implementing the exact same agenda everywhere, with the exact same results everywhere.

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    finnithfinnith ... TorontoRegistered User regular
    Obama vetoes Keystone XL bill.

    Doesn't mean that the Republicans won't try to pass it again, but it's pretty easy to understand why Obama would do this. I kind of want to do some research into the safety and costs of transportation via truck/rail vs pipeline, especially after Lac-Megantic, but my guess is that it's a tail risk when weighed against the certain environmental impact and value given the outlook on oil prices.

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    TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited February 2015
    hippofant wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    What I found super-disappointing is how Quebec is getting onside with this shit. I held out hope that they were the lone bastion of sanity in the country. (Remember when Quebec separatists used to be the terrorists?)

    Well. Actually. There've been other recent signs of that being untrue.

    Well, there's Atlantic Canada, or at least there is for the 50% of the time the rest of the country remembers that this region exists.

    The Cons have been winning NB pretty handily, no? And NS is split 3 ways? The other provinces are non-Cons admittedly, but it's pretty up and down for every party in Atlantic Canada, AFAIK, possible due to the small number of seats.

    In the last election, NS gave most of its seats to the Liberals and NDP (and one of the ones that went CPC basically just really liked Peter McKay's dad who ran there as a PC for a long time). Not exactly a big conservative turnout.
    Newfoundland and PEI only gave the CPC one apiece, and even that was weird for them. So three provinces that gave a majority of their seats to the left wing parties.

    As for New Brunswick... yeah, I don't know what's up with them. Politically they're basically two provinces (the Acadians vote Liberal while most of the rest of the province think they're voting PC).

    It just gets a bit tiring to hear that every province except Quebec went heavily for the CPC when it's not the case. Yes, I've heard people say that a lot. In discussions about federal politics, this entire region is frequently ignored or forgotten about. It gets a bit annoying after a while.

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    Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    What I found super-disappointing is how Quebec is getting onside with this shit. I held out hope that they were the lone bastion of sanity in the country. (Remember when Quebec separatists used to be the terrorists?)

    Well. Actually. There've been other recent signs of that being untrue.

    Well, there's Atlantic Canada, or at least there is for the 50% of the time the rest of the country remembers that this region exists.

    The Cons have been winning NB pretty handily, no? And NS is split 3 ways? The other provinces are non-Cons admittedly, but it's pretty up and down for every party in Atlantic Canada, AFAIK, possible due to the small number of seats.

    In the last election, NS gave most of its seats to the Liberals and NDP (and one of the ones that went CPC basically just really liked Peter McKay's dad who ran there as a PC for a long time). Not exactly a big conservative turnout.
    Newfoundland and PEI only gave the CPC one apiece, and even that was weird for them. So three provinces that gave a majority of their seats to the left wing parties.

    As for New Brunswick... yeah, I don't know what's up with them. Politically they're basically two provinces (the Acadians vote Liberal while most of the rest of the province think they're voting PC).

    It just gets a bit tiring to hear that every province except Quebec went heavily for the CPC when it's not the case. Yes, I've heard people say that a lot. In discussions about federal politics, this entire region is frequently ignored or forgotten about. It gets a bit annoying after a while.

    I just looked up the results and.....it's actually a fair thing to say. I mean, it's a bit hyperbolic, but only a bit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011#Results_by_province

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    hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Nova_C wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    What I found super-disappointing is how Quebec is getting onside with this shit. I held out hope that they were the lone bastion of sanity in the country. (Remember when Quebec separatists used to be the terrorists?)

    Well. Actually. There've been other recent signs of that being untrue.

    Well, there's Atlantic Canada, or at least there is for the 50% of the time the rest of the country remembers that this region exists.

    The Cons have been winning NB pretty handily, no? And NS is split 3 ways? The other provinces are non-Cons admittedly, but it's pretty up and down for every party in Atlantic Canada, AFAIK, possible due to the small number of seats.

    In the last election, NS gave most of its seats to the Liberals and NDP (and one of the ones that went CPC basically just really liked Peter McKay's dad who ran there as a PC for a long time). Not exactly a big conservative turnout.
    Newfoundland and PEI only gave the CPC one apiece, and even that was weird for them. So three provinces that gave a majority of their seats to the left wing parties.

    As for New Brunswick... yeah, I don't know what's up with them. Politically they're basically two provinces (the Acadians vote Liberal while most of the rest of the province think they're voting PC).

    It just gets a bit tiring to hear that every province except Quebec went heavily for the CPC when it's not the case. Yes, I've heard people say that a lot. In discussions about federal politics, this entire region is frequently ignored or forgotten about. It gets a bit annoying after a while.

    I just looked up the results and.....it's actually a fair thing to say. I mean, it's a bit hyperbolic, but only a bit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011#Results_by_province

    So if I bundle up the whole region, my math comes out to... CPC: 14, NDP: 6, LPC: 12, BQ: 0, GPC: 0. So... maybe not heavily for CPC.

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    Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    One of the big indicators in the direction of NS politics is that Bill Casey will be running again...as a Liberal.



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    TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    hippofant wrote: »
    Nova_C wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    hippofant wrote: »
    What I found super-disappointing is how Quebec is getting onside with this shit. I held out hope that they were the lone bastion of sanity in the country. (Remember when Quebec separatists used to be the terrorists?)

    Well. Actually. There've been other recent signs of that being untrue.

    Well, there's Atlantic Canada, or at least there is for the 50% of the time the rest of the country remembers that this region exists.

    The Cons have been winning NB pretty handily, no? And NS is split 3 ways? The other provinces are non-Cons admittedly, but it's pretty up and down for every party in Atlantic Canada, AFAIK, possible due to the small number of seats.

    In the last election, NS gave most of its seats to the Liberals and NDP (and one of the ones that went CPC basically just really liked Peter McKay's dad who ran there as a PC for a long time). Not exactly a big conservative turnout.
    Newfoundland and PEI only gave the CPC one apiece, and even that was weird for them. So three provinces that gave a majority of their seats to the left wing parties.

    As for New Brunswick... yeah, I don't know what's up with them. Politically they're basically two provinces (the Acadians vote Liberal while most of the rest of the province think they're voting PC).

    It just gets a bit tiring to hear that every province except Quebec went heavily for the CPC when it's not the case. Yes, I've heard people say that a lot. In discussions about federal politics, this entire region is frequently ignored or forgotten about. It gets a bit annoying after a while.

    I just looked up the results and.....it's actually a fair thing to say. I mean, it's a bit hyperbolic, but only a bit.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_2011#Results_by_province

    So if I bundle up the whole region, my math comes out to... CPC: 14, NDP: 6, LPC: 12, BQ: 0, GPC: 0. So... maybe not heavily for CPC.

    My point was more, this is the only region that the rest of the country only really looks at as a region rather than separate provinces.
    Aside from New Brunswick (again, I have no idea what the heck they're doing politically), the region is pretty darn left wing.

    Nova Scotia has given the majority of its seats to left wing parties for quite a few elections in a row, including the last one. PEI and Newfoundland have been heavily left wing for a while, often giving the Liberals shutouts, and giving them all but one seat apiece last time. (Seriously, 8 of those 14 CPC in the last election were New Brunswick).
    My point is, Quebec isn't the only remaining left wing province. My point is, when it comes to federal politics, the rest of the country frequently forgets that four of the ten provinces exist.

    It's not even really specifically about anything in this thread. It's more the state of Canadian politics in general for a long time, and how little the rest of the country ever seems to care about this region. I don't want to fight with anyone in this thread, because it's not the fault of anyone here. It's things that have been going on and shaping the discourse for a while. It just gets tiring is all. NS and NFLD get fucked over by Harper on oil revenue while he bends over backwards for Alberta, the region's substantial francophone population gets ignored and people keep thinking all French Canadians are from Quebec, it's how we get accused of being conservative because of how one out of four provinces voted. It's tiring is all.
    I'm willing to drop it because it's probably not a productive area of discussion. I just had to vent a bit, and I thank the thread for letting me.

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    Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    No, most of the country views Quebec/Ontario as their own regions, then everything west of Ontario as one lump, and then everything in the north as another lump.

    Its not only Atlantic Canada that gets lumped together, its just rare that two atlantic provinces have a severe disagreement that necessitates addressing them individually.

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    TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    Honestly, if there was a significant acknowledgment of non-Quebecois French Canadians, I'd count that as a win.

    Also, yes, Atlantic Canada absolutely get lumped together more often than other regions. I'm not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere, but a lot of the time, it feels like we're barely seen as separate provinces. Like, I might sympathize with Manitoba, but from anything I've seen, the other three western provinces don't get lumped together to nearly the same degree. (As for the territories, okay, they absolutely have the most claim to complain about that sort of thing).

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