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  • SomestickguySomestickguy Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    Owenashi wrote: »
    It's funny because even though the presentation had some serious issues, X-2 does get a much better performance out of the same voice actors

    Because the localization team made sure to work the characters' mouth-movements around the English voice-actors instead of the other way around?

    I don't know if it was just that

    Yuna in particular is noticeably more energetic and charismatic

    Which I suppose is totally in fitting with her character development

    Shame about the outfit

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  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Yeah, my issue with the FFX voice acting isn't necessarily the weird cadence (although that doesn't help), it's the delivery. The tone and energy of most of the lines is really poor.

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  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Dr. Chaos wrote: »
    Don't know why I give Tidus so much shit.

    There are worse FF protagonists out there like Squall and Vaan. I think Squall having a gunblade helped mitigate how terrible he was at the time, I was too busy nerding out over having a sword that could blow stuff.

    1. He's hungry.
    2. He's a crybaby.
    3. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
    4. Sin's toxins.

    Actually he wasn't completely terrible, it was mostly the VA I think. His delivery was among the least natural in the game.

    Vaan is similar to Tidus in personality but ff12 is much more ensemble driven. FFX is the Tidus and Yuna show.

    Squall's just kinda boring and broody which is less of a sin than annoying, especially in the super broody 90s.

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    The way Tidus talks and the actual things he says make him seem like a particularly dim high schooler. Like, he'd be more at home hanging out with Bill and Ted than with Yuna's ever expanding posse.

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  • BilliardballBilliardball Registered User regular
    Vaan was more of an observer than a protagonist. He was your window into the world, but not terribly relevant to what was happening.

    The story was centered on Ashe.

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    God damn it I thought the main character was named Ashe in FFXII cause someone earlier said that.

  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Ashe IS the main character in XII. You just don't get her for a few hours.

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  • TairuTairu Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    FFXII is basically if Star Wars was really about Princess Leia

    and Chewbacca was a rabbit

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    And Han was
    Finn

  • Fig-DFig-D Tustin, CA, USRegistered User regular
    I didn't understand why that was a spoiler for a moment. FFXII was such a forgettable mess to me. I keep thinking about the game we may have gotten had the director not been forced out and the creative team shuffled around.

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  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    Honestly I forgot about ashe. The only characters I truly remember is that one guy abs his playboy bunny.

  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    FFXII will always remain a bigger disappointment for me than FFXIII.

    The blueprints for excellence were all there, and it probably had the best opening few hours in the entire FF series.

    Then you can literally pinpoint the moment where the director peaces out and all of the character and world building leaves with him.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    You guys can join Pat in the Wrong-About-FF12 Corner

    You don't want me to light the flares, no sir

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  • RadiusRadius Registered User regular
    No, keep saying how much like Star Wars FF12 is.

    Everyday we stray further from God's light
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  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Final Fantasy 12 is a fine game, I'm sure. But it should never have been given a number.

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  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Radius wrote: »
    No, keep saying how much like Star Wars FF12 is.

    Oh, you

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  • GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    You should just be like me and not care about any of the FFs past VI. Keeps things nice and simple.

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    Pat spent a bit on the podcast today talking about the similarities between FF10 and FF13, especially with regards to linearity, which I think I brought up when I was playing FFX too

    He merely contends that FF13 is both more linear and of lower quality in general, so it getting shit on harder is kind of natural

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    I like XII. I just haven't made any progress in forever because I suck at the combat. Recently got to Phon Coast.

    It is a bit odd that it had a numeral, though. It's the only game set in Ivalice to have one, and it's not even the first Ivalice game.

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  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    I think that's part of what makes 10 feel so "unfinished" to me--the linearity, giving it this sense that you're being rushed from story point to story point, rather than giving you an open world to traverse. Even games that are really linear in that there's not much to do outside of the main story material, still give you the illusion of freedom by having you have to actually travel from place to place.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    It's sort of a transition point between old school overworld maps and the relatively contiguous areas of XII.

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Enlong wrote: »
    I like XII. I just haven't made any progress in forever because I suck at the combat. Recently got to Phon Coast.

    It is a bit odd that it had a numeral, though. It's the only game set in Ivalice to have one, and it's not even the first Ivalice game.

    There's so little of that game that I see and think "Final Fantasy", whereas, at least from 4-9, they all shared a significant amount of the same DNA. X is where it all starts to feel "different" to me, and I'm not entirely sure I can explain why, beyond the lack of ATB.

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  • NeoTomaNeoToma Registered User regular
    edited January 2016
    The way Tidus talks and the actual things he says make him seem like a particularly dim high schooler. Like, he'd be more at home hanging out with Bill and Ted than with Yuna's ever expanding posse.

    I liked that Tidus was just a pretty jock with daddy issues. As a selfish whiny counterpoint to Yuna's resolute duty-bound priestess.

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  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    NeoToma wrote: »
    The way Tidus talks and the actual things he says make him seem like a particularly dim high schooler. Like, he'd be more at home hanging out with Bill and Ted than with Yuna's ever expanding posse.

    I liked that Tidus was just a pretty jock with daddy issues. As a selfish whiny counterpoint to Yuna's resolute duty-bound priestess.

    Oh yeah, that's not necessarily a criticism. That's clearly the character they were going for and while the execution was rough, they hit what they were aiming for.

    "The execution was rough" could be the tagline for FFX, really.

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  • JavenJaven Registered User regular
    Tidus' dialogue suffered from being literally the Stranger in a Strange Land archetype, so he was always relegated to the narrative position of 'ask dumb questions to provide 'the world is round' levels of exposition. Nevermind the fact that that is probably the most hamfisted way of actually delivering world-building exposition, so it was never really destined to work out.

  • BilliardballBilliardball Registered User regular
    FF12 has Balthier in it. I can forgive its flaws for that.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Tidus' dialogue suffered from being literally the Stranger in a Strange Land archetype, so he was always relegated to the narrative position of 'ask dumb questions to provide 'the world is round' levels of exposition. Nevermind the fact that that is probably the most hamfisted way of actually delivering world-building exposition, so it was never really destined to work out.

    No. The most hamfisted form of exposition, short of pausing the action for a block of narration, is "as you know", where one character who knows tells stuff to another character who also knows and has no reason to ask or be told.

    At least the trick of having an ignorant character offers some reason for exposition to be happening.

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Javen wrote: »
    Tidus' dialogue suffered from being literally the Stranger in a Strange Land archetype, so he was always relegated to the narrative position of 'ask dumb questions to provide 'the world is round' levels of exposition. Nevermind the fact that that is probably the most hamfisted way of actually delivering world-building exposition, so it was never really destined to work out.

    Ah yes, the Watson Effect.

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  • Professor SnugglesworthProfessor Snugglesworth Registered User regular
    FF12 has Balthier in it. I can forgive its flaws for that.

    Balthier isn't that great.

  • SCREECH OF THE FARGSCREECH OF THE FARG #1 PARROTHEAD margaritavilleRegistered User regular
    ff12 is the best numbered final fantasy game

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  • Fig-DFig-D Tustin, CA, USRegistered User regular
    I can get behind neither of the last two posts. These opinions are radically different from my own and therefore wrong.

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Weirdly, I might agree with both.

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  • Fig-DFig-D Tustin, CA, USRegistered User regular
    There's a good chance that one of us crawled out of the Nega Zone and is, in fact, a bizzaro version of the other.

    It's probably me. I'm Nega Ilpala.

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  • IlpalaIlpala Just this guy, y'know TexasRegistered User regular
    Why does Nega-Me get the top hat?

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  • BahamutZEROBahamutZERO Registered User, Moderator mod
    because evil is better dressed

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  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    overseas white slavery

  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    this voice acting gets even more incredible

  • BotznoyBotznoy Registered User regular
    I enjoy XII and started playing it after IX. Balthiers VA is dreamy and Basch wears shorts.

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  • EnlongEnlong Registered User regular
    If there's one thing I hate about FFXII, it's Basch's outfit.

    That asymmetric pot-holder-patched outfit makes total sense for when you first find him; it was an outfit of necessity, scavenging mismatched bits of armor and clothing from corpses in the dungeon. But for Pete's sake, man. Get some real armor after you get back to civilization.

  • BotznoyBotznoy Registered User regular
    Nah man, shorts, a ridiculous sleeveless jacket and a weird woven square under it

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