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Twitch pin stampede

thelonegoldfishthelonegoldfish Registered User regular
Are they trying to get someone trampled? Has anyone done a first 50 people to the booth thing before?

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  • dmosineedmosinee Davenport, IARegistered User regular
    I think it may turn out to be a real problem -- the big problem is going to be that moment when they open the queue room to the expo room at 10:00. Sure there's a nice orderly line from the queue room... that falls apart instantly the second it starts entering the wide open expo area.

    It's kind of lame because you could get there at 6am and be way way up there in the queue room line, and still not even get in the top 50 if you took a wrong turn or just weren't very fast. Also, I would imagine that those with a physical disability wouldn't have any sort of chance.

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  • BurtBurt Registered User regular
    It also says to pay attention to their Twitter for additional ways to get the pin... so let's not worry about it too much yet. Remember that the minimum order for a third party is at least 1000 pins... so the first 50 each day accounts for 15% of them AT MOST.

  • BekerBeker Child's Play Program Director SeattleRegistered User, Penny Arcade Staff regular
    dmosinee wrote: »
    I think it may turn out to be a real problem -- the big problem is going to be that moment when they open the queue room to the expo room at 10:00. Sure there's a nice orderly line from the queue room... that falls apart instantly the second it starts entering the wide open expo area.

    It's kind of lame because you could get there at 6am and be way way up there in the queue room line, and still not even get in the top 50 if you took a wrong turn or just weren't very fast. Also, I would imagine that those with a physical disability wouldn't have any sort of chance.

    Those with a medical badge always get in a few minutes early so they can get clear of the rush. But for the rush, the best we can do is ask people loudly "please do not run". Trying to maintain any sort of line cohesion when people are splitting up and going to any of the 100 or so booths has not been worth the effort.

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  • CowpuppyCowpuppy Squirrel Squad (EAST) Registered User regular
    There was a moment last year, in the rush out of the queue line, where I was literally swept along by the crowd. My feet were not on the ground and yet I was still moving. It was surreal. And likely dangerous. But that was even without a first-50 twitch pin, so I don't think the pin is going to make things any MORE unsafe.

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  • thelonegoldfishthelonegoldfish Registered User regular
    dmosinee wrote: »
    I think it may turn out to be a real problem -- the big problem is going to be that moment when they open the queue room to the expo room at 10:00. Sure there's a nice orderly line from the queue room... that falls apart instantly the second it starts entering the wide open expo area.

    It's kind of lame because you could get there at 6am and be way way up there in the queue room line, and still not even get in the top 50 if you took a wrong turn or just weren't very fast. Also, I would imagine that those with a physical disability wouldn't have any sort of chance.

    I'm less concerned with getting the pin vs people getting hurt. Pax, and most crowd organizations, have a bad habit of incentivizing dangerous crowd dynamics. Given how close they skirt getting shut down by the fire marshalls in Seattle, you'd think they would be more careful.

  • BekerBeker Child's Play Program Director SeattleRegistered User, Penny Arcade Staff regular
    I'm less concerned with getting the pin vs people getting hurt. Pax, and most crowd organizations, have a bad habit of incentivizing dangerous crowd dynamics. Given how close they skirt getting shut down by the fire marshalls in Seattle, you'd think they would be more careful.

    We are well aware of the non ideal situation that surrounds the queue room, and would love it if more people show up at 10:30 or after when they could just walk right into the hall without waiting in the initial line.

    Lots of vendors do giveaways for the first x people to their booth and some give things out randomly through the day. Some do raffles. Some have contests or give things out at panels. Some do all of the above. They all have different pro's and con's for them, the attendee, and the enforcers trying to make sure everything goes smooth. You'll continue to see a variety of ways for getting things from the company into your hands as new marketing ideas come into fashion and old ideas resurface.

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  • JKwonJKwon Portland, ORRegistered User regular
    I am slightly interested in this pin, but not interested in rushing to their booth...I'll take my luck trading with staff or others

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  • dmosineedmosinee Davenport, IARegistered User regular
    Sort of related, based on their blurb about twitter announcements:

    How robust is their LTE hardware in the BCEC? At South during the day, it was more or less impossible to get a reliable data connection.

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  • BekerBeker Child's Play Program Director SeattleRegistered User, Penny Arcade Staff regular
    I find turning off LTE is usually pretty effective at letting me get twitter announcements. That being said which vendors are functional and where the good spots are seems to vary PAX to PAX and year to year. ymmv.

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  • PedroAsaniPedroAsani Brotherhood of the Squirrel [Prime]Registered User regular
    http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/196153/data-plan-on-your-phone-tell-your-provider-pax-east-is-coming

    I have been bugging T-Mobile to put up extra towers at the BCEC. Each company has temporary portable towers that they can deploy for things like festivals or parades. Letting them know that they have customers who desire data at a place is a good way to increase their awareness of just how much we can crash a system.

    @Beker does PAX talk to any providers about coverage in return for ad space? Because that would be useful to attendees and vendors alike. I read about the prices for convention wifi and realised why some booths are still cash-only, or offline card readers.

  • QumadenQumaden World's Mightiest Mortal Registered User regular
    I'm gonna start brining my old army medic bag to pax instead of a backpack. My splinting is a little out of practice, but we may need it!

  • PedroAsaniPedroAsani Brotherhood of the Squirrel [Prime]Registered User regular
    Qumaden wrote: »
    I'm gonna start brining my old army medic bag to pax instead of a backpack. My splinting is a little out of practice, but we may need it!

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  • BekerBeker Child's Play Program Director SeattleRegistered User, Penny Arcade Staff regular
    PedroAsani wrote: »
    @Beker does PAX talk to any providers about coverage in return for ad space? Because that would be useful to attendees and vendors alike. I read about the prices for convention wifi and realised why some booths are still cash-only, or offline card readers.

    I've no idea, if that was a thing it would probably be a Reed thing, so not even in the office here.

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  • QumadenQumaden World's Mightiest Mortal Registered User regular
    PedroAsani wrote: »
    Qumaden wrote: »
    I'm gonna start brining my old army medic bag to pax instead of a backpack. My splinting is a little out of practice, but we may need it!

    Cosplay an old army medic!

    I did that for ten years, don't think I wanna do it anymore!

  • orthancstoneorthancstone TexasRegistered User regular
    Given the already elevated popularity of the Twitch booth, combined with them probably repeating the autograph line, and now this pin...honestly, you better be truly dedicated to fight that line.

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  • DefaultGenDefaultGen Registered User regular
    edited February 2015
    is anyone actually attempting to get this one via the first 50 in line? Seems crazy to wake up to try to get to the front of the queue line to just have a chance in the stampede at the Twitch pin instead of just getting 2 LE pins as a sure thing.

    Hopefully it's not one of those pins where you wake up, get there, then the people manning the booth say "What pin?" :biggrin:

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  • FrostbyteFrostbyte Registered User regular
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

  • silrnsilrn Fairfax, VARegistered User regular
    I'm probably going to try to be one of the first 50, a single time. It's a relatively easy way to try to get it all things considered.... if you count the heads in front of you, and there's less than 30 people in front of you, you're set! Otherwise you move on to the next booth to get in line.

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  • orthancstoneorthancstone TexasRegistered User regular
    Frostbyte wrote: »
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

    I imagine they'll bring these to future PAX as well. So they might not run through the entire supply at East.

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  • LazorzLazorz Tokyo, JPRegistered User regular
    edited February 2015
    Frostbyte wrote: »
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

    I imagine they'll bring these to future PAX as well. So they might not run through the entire supply at East.
    And then we can have first 50 people events for years to come!

    Lazorz on
  • HingoHingo Minneapolis, MNRegistered User regular
    Lazorz wrote: »
    Frostbyte wrote: »
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

    I imagine they'll bring these to future PAX as well. So they might not run through the entire supply at East.
    And then we can have first 50 people events for years to come!

    PAX Prime 2015, the Twitch-WotC first 50 people prize wall!

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  • darkinferodarkinfero BOP-IT Malden, MARegistered User regular
    Hingo wrote: »
    Lazorz wrote: »
    Frostbyte wrote: »
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

    I imagine they'll bring these to future PAX as well. So they might not run through the entire supply at East.
    And then we can have first 50 people events for years to come!

    PAX Prime 2015, the Twitch-WotC first 50 people prize wall!

    Don't say that.

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  • DefaultGenDefaultGen Registered User regular
    Hingo wrote: »
    Lazorz wrote: »
    Frostbyte wrote: »
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

    I imagine they'll bring these to future PAX as well. So they might not run through the entire supply at East.
    And then we can have first 50 people events for years to come!

    PAX Prime 2015, the Twitch-WotC first 50 people prize wall!

    Do you earn points for the prize wall by winning Play of the Tournament in a 4 round MTG tournament?

    Hingo
  • HingoHingo Minneapolis, MNRegistered User regular
    DefaultGen wrote: »
    Hingo wrote: »
    Lazorz wrote: »
    Frostbyte wrote: »
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

    I imagine they'll bring these to future PAX as well. So they might not run through the entire supply at East.
    And then we can have first 50 people events for years to come!

    PAX Prime 2015, the Twitch-WotC first 50 people prize wall!

    Do you earn points for the prize wall by winning Play of the Tournament in a 4 round MTG tournament?

    Yes, this will earn you 10 tickets.

    Pins for trade!
    2015 PAX Prime Omeganaut (I will forever hate Katamari)
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  • 00Fayt0000Fayt00 Registered User regular
    Hingo wrote: »
    DefaultGen wrote: »
    Hingo wrote: »
    Lazorz wrote: »
    Frostbyte wrote: »
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

    I imagine they'll bring these to future PAX as well. So they might not run through the entire supply at East.
    And then we can have first 50 people events for years to come!

    PAX Prime 2015, the Twitch-WotC first 50 people prize wall!

    Do you earn points for the prize wall by winning Play of the Tournament in a 4 round MTG tournament?

    Yes, this will earn you 10 tickets.

    You need 100 tickets for a 25% chance at the pin. You have to pay the tickets to spin the wheel for that chance.

  • Geometric CubeGeometric Cube Registered User regular
    If you win, then your badge is confiscated and you are escorted from the convention grounds.

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  • HingoHingo Minneapolis, MNRegistered User regular
    00Fayt00 wrote: »
    Hingo wrote: »
    DefaultGen wrote: »
    Hingo wrote: »
    Lazorz wrote: »
    Frostbyte wrote: »
    they have 850 non "first in line" pins.... I have to believe there will be other ways to get them.

    I imagine they'll bring these to future PAX as well. So they might not run through the entire supply at East.
    And then we can have first 50 people events for years to come!

    PAX Prime 2015, the Twitch-WotC first 50 people prize wall!

    Do you earn points for the prize wall by winning Play of the Tournament in a 4 round MTG tournament?

    Yes, this will earn you 10 tickets.

    You need 100 tickets for a 25% chance at the pin. You have to pay the tickets to spin the wheel for that chance.

    It's the Hidden Path wheel from Prime 2013, repurposed.

    Pins for trade!
    2015 PAX Prime Omeganaut (I will forever hate Katamari)
  • fishfishmonkeyhatfishfishmonkeyhat Freelance Pin Man Newcastle, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    If you win, then your badge is confiscated and you are escorted from the convention grounds.

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  • pakopakopakopako Registered User regular
    If you win, then your badge is confiscated and you are escorted from the convention grounds.
    By catapult?

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  • HijumpHijump Registered User regular
    Are they trying to get someone trampled? Has anyone done a first 50 people to the booth thing before?

    This only reminds me of the hell that was the "From the Vault: 20" from WoTC a couple years back. IT was 10 a day at MSRP ($40ish) for something that was Ebaying for $400+ at the time. The rush for them was pretty intense for the 3 days that it was available. Not sure if anyone got hurt, but still there are going to be a lot of unhappy people :( as a result of the limited quantity.

  • dmosineedmosinee Davenport, IARegistered User regular
    Well the unhappy people part can't really be helped if they really want to do a limited quantity -- but there are other ways to organize it to prevent/discourage a stampede.

    They could do a quick ticket thing, where everyone who shows up at the Twitch booth in the first 5 minutes gets a slip with a symbol/number/whatever on it. Once they were given out they put up a sign saying anyone with a "Z" on their ticket or whatever gets a pin. They achieve their goal of getting people going at their booth right away in the morning, and there's no reason for anyone to stomp someone in the back.

    I just really don't like these things where it's all about who can run/push/dive their way in a scramble to the front of the pile. It's their business what kind of quantity they give out, but it should be done in an orderly fashion.

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  • SerpicoBCSerpicoBC Registered User regular
    Re: Twitch, I just desperately want to know how the pins are being distributed. Yes, we've got the "you might get trampled" option of getting there early and praying you make it. But what about the rest of the pins? I will sleep easier knowing what that other option is.

  • PedroAsaniPedroAsani Brotherhood of the Squirrel [Prime]Registered User regular
    edited February 2015
    SerpicoBC wrote: »
    Re: Twitch, I just desperately want to know how the pins are being distributed. Yes, we've got the "you might get trampled" option of getting there early and praying you make it. But what about the rest of the pins? I will sleep easier knowing what that other option is.

    I'm all for them using Pins as a way to build up hype. Marketing tools being what they are and all. But after The Leeroy Debacle and The Order Fiasco I am very conscious that some people haven't thought about the unintended consequences of their methods. The Ugin Contention is a whole other conversation.

    Anything "first to the booth" means a stampede out of the queue room. That's a problem for the regular people because tripping in a crowd rushing to get places is not great. For those on medical badges it can be a lot worse. I know that medical badges get in a few minutes earlier, so if they are heading to Twitch they might already be in the queue. But others are likely at different booths, in the aisles and generally "looking at stuff" which can put them in the path of being mown down by overzealous people wanting the "Limited Edition Whatever" that we know booths like We Love Fine and SquareEnix are doing.

    Anything that does "you have a 1/x chance of getting this" means queue churn. I'm not a fan of this, because queue space is at a premium already and if there are people taking multiple runs at the booth a la The Order Fiasco then it's actually a problem on the marketing side: fewer unique eyeballs on your product. Yes, you have hype but the cost is counter-productive. In addition to that, with limited booth space and Overwatch being a 5v5 or 6v6 game, 1/5 to 1/12 odds (depending which size of game and if one or both teams are awarded a Gold Pin) means that with a 15-20 minute demo (including switchover time) you aren't going to give out more than 300 Pins in a weekend. You don't have the throughput to do it. So that means with the minimum run of 1,000 there are going to be a lot of Gold Overwatch that disappear into the unknown. Maybe they will get used at Prime, but maybe not. If it is handled as badly as The Order Fiasco, someone will just give out fistfuls at the airport because they don't want to fly with them.

    Blizzard also has their own line of pins, which will cause further confusion because their pins are not Pins, but they have regular and Gold Pins which look like theirs... cross-contamination of both collectors is fine, but it would be great if they had some way to clarify for their fans.

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  • dmosineedmosinee Davenport, IARegistered User regular
    PedroAsani wrote: »
    "Limited Edition Whatever" that we know booths like We Love Fine and SquareEnix are doing.

    Where does this kind of information live? I dug through at least five semi-official sources (blog, facebook, news stories, etc.) for both of those companies and I can't find references to any kind of limited edition whatever for PAX East.

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  • creid8creid8 Registered User regular
    PedroAsani wrote: »
    If it is handled as badly as The Order Fiasco, someone will just give out fistfuls at the airport because they don't want to fly with them.
    Is this seriously what happened? After all the effort they put into not giving people pins?

  • PedroAsaniPedroAsani Brotherhood of the Squirrel [Prime]Registered User regular
    creid8 wrote: »
    PedroAsani wrote: »
    If it is handled as badly as The Order Fiasco, someone will just give out fistfuls at the airport because they don't want to fly with them.
    Is this seriously what happened? After all the effort they put into not giving people pins?

    That's the short version. Talk to @Qumaden he tells the longer version.

  • flasheflashe Craft Beer Aficionado US - East CoastRegistered User regular
    I'm hoping twitch will shed (some) light BEFORE Pax starts on the other way(s) of getting a pin. As I like to avoid the stampede so to speak. Either that or hope they give them out at Twitchcon.

  • fishfishmonkeyhatfishfishmonkeyhat Freelance Pin Man Newcastle, AustraliaRegistered User regular
    PedroAsani wrote: »
    The Order Fiasco

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  • PedroAsaniPedroAsani Brotherhood of the Squirrel [Prime]Registered User regular
    creid8 wrote: »
    After all the effort they put into not giving people pins?

    Expanding on this a little:

    I'm sure they (mostly) aren't doing it deliberately. A quick chat with most booth staff will garner you the telling phrase "We can't give these away/trade with you, they are very limited." and suggests that whoever is in charge has the (legitimate) fear of running out before the convention ends. The problem is that none of them have done the fairly simple maths for booth throughput, which was discussed on the South Live! Podcast. If you have 1,000 Pins and haven't given away 300 on Friday, you can ease up on the restrictions the following days. If you get 600 people a day and restrict your Pins to 1/5, you aren't giving out your full allocation.

    Expo is open 8 hours. It runs for 3 days (4 for Prime.) 1,000 Pins is 41 an hour (conservative) or 31 for Prime. So if you are handing out to everyone who demos and not getting that kind of throughput, you can give away a few extras or double up for people who hit the high score, impress you with their knowledge of the game, whatever. I know that smaller indie booths don't get nearly those kinds of numbers, and even if they split an East/Prime allocation evenly, that would still be 20 an hour through the booth.

    That's what is troubling for stuff like the Twitch and Gold Overwatch. Clearly they are intentionally restricting supply in a similar fashion as they did last year, but those Pins are going to go somewhere. If they show up at Prime, great. If Twitch and Blizzard decide to haul their collective arses to Australia, fantastic. But I fear that many of them are going to find their way onto eBay after filtering through the office, driving prices up to ridiculous levels for yet another difficult Pin.

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  • SerpicoBCSerpicoBC Registered User regular
    I agree with literally everything you just said, @PedroAsani. There isn't deliberate maliciousness on the part of the exhibitors. The folks in marketing and/or community management for these various companies probably have a decent idea about how pins work ("If we offer an official pin, people will show up.") but aren't nearly as knowledgeable as they can be. By offering a pin, they are stepping into a mini-economy they don't really understand. Which means they'll need to adapt once they're out on the floor and realizing they've got bunches of pins and no fair (to us) way to distribute them.

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