I'm Not Sorry [Feminism]

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  • nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    I was stuck with pills. I wanted the implant or to stop having periods entirely because I am poor and I wanted to save money by not buying pads or tampons all the time.
    If we have the medical technology to end it, why do we still need to have it?

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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    tynic wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    is it bad that i want to go to grad school, but i want to find a professor in my field who isn't an old white man?

    cause holy fucking shit you want diversity look at top-tier grad schools and cry

    Each of the science departments at my alma mater had precisely one female professor, and they were all pretty amazeballs to the tune of being several times as knowledgeable as their male counterparts and having far more credentials.

    Because you have to be, if you're a woman.

    Which is a problem.

    I fully realize this sounds very entitled and totally up my own arse

    But I really hate being a fucking poster child for women engineers

    You're too competent. Nobody has ever tried to make me the poster child for anything. They know I'd ruin it for everyone.

    What if you're the poster child for ruining things?

    This I could get behind.

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    is it bad that i want to go to grad school, but i want to find a professor in my field who isn't an old white man?

    cause holy fucking shit you want diversity look at top-tier grad schools and cry

    Each of the science departments at my alma mater had precisely one female professor, and they were all pretty amazeballs to the tune of being several times as knowledgeable as their male counterparts and having far more credentials.

    Because you have to be, if you're a woman.

    Which is a problem.

    I fully realize this sounds very entitled and totally up my own arse

    But I really hate being a fucking poster child for women engineers

    Aw shit I'm probably guilty of doing this to you and I'm sorry if I have.

    Aww no, it's not really an issue here! On the boards I'm defined mostly by whatever I happen to be talking about at the time, though that does sometimes end up being math/engineering/boats/etc

    Its more of an issue when I'm introducing myself, or being introduced, because there's the inevitable "what do you do?" and once we get on that topic it's all there is.

    Makes me want to change my business card from Engineer to Farthuffer and see if anybody notices

  • CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    The patriarchy has no spirit to bomb.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    nuka wrote: »
    I was stuck with pills. I wanted the implant or to stop having periods entirely because I am poor and I wanted to save money by not buying pads or tampons all the time.
    If we have the medical technology to end it, why do we still need to have it?

    Because the medical establishment is run by old white dudes

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Obligatory Feminism thread post

    As ordered by Witch King @usagi

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twQlpFrm5iM

    heavens

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    Like, try to talk to a doctor about voluntary sterilization as a nulliparous woman

    The lengths people go to in order to sidetrack you, or try to talk you out of that is just fucking absurd

  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Spirit Bomb the patriarchy

    Spirit Bomb never works.

    It gets stronger with the number of people supporting it! And it blew Buu to bits when the entire population of earth got behind it.

  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I need feminism because when I first started the course I'm doing I was told I would have to work twice as hard and achieve twice as much, because I'm female.

    Certain of the work placements at the end of the course aren't even open to me, because I'm female.

    It is actually kind of refreshing how blunt the sexism is here, though. I think I might prefer it over the kind where everyone thinks they're being equal but really they're just in denial.

  • joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Usagi wrote: »
    Like, try to talk to a doctor about voluntary sterilization as a nulliparous woman

    The lengths people go to in order to sidetrack you, or try to talk you out of that is just fucking absurd

    Even births have to be done on their schedule, more often than not.

    With my three kids, all three PCPs we saw wanted to go ahead and schedule the c-section right from the get-go.

    It was all about old white guys not having to get up and out of bed because their patient went into natural labor at 3 in the morning and nothing at all to do with what's best for the kid or the mom.

    Sometimes a c-section is necessary, or desirable! But when we said we wanted to do natural childbirth, the doctors of the latter two kids dropped us as patients.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    Like, try to talk to a doctor about voluntary sterilization as a nulliparous woman

    The lengths people go to in order to sidetrack you, or try to talk you out of that is just fucking absurd

    Even births have to be done on their schedule, more often than not.

    With my three kids, all three PCPs we saw wanted to go ahead and schedule the c-section right from the get-go.

    It was all about old white guys not having to get up and out of bed because their patient went into natural labor at 3 in the morning and nothing at all to do with what's best for the kid or the mom.

    Sometimes a c-section is necessary, or desirable! But when we said we wanted to do natural childbirth, the doctors of the latter two kids dropped us as patients.

    holy shit!

  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    What kind of work are they telling you you can't do if you're female, Smof

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    What kind of work are they telling you you can't do if you're female, Smof

    Unless it's Hobo That Jacks Off In An Alley, they're lying.

  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    I've seen female hobos do that

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    Like, try to talk to a doctor about voluntary sterilization as a nulliparous woman

    The lengths people go to in order to sidetrack you, or try to talk you out of that is just fucking absurd

    My mother still believes that the most important thing any woman can do is produce a healthy male baby.

    It's pretty sickening.

  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    I've seen female hobos do that

    depends on your definition of jacks off

  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    nuka wrote: »

    Oh my God, that ending.

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  • ToxTox I kill threads he/himRegistered User regular
    Yeah I probably would edit that.

    Cuz it sounds like you're implying women can't jack off

    because they don't have penii

    and

    well

    you see

    the thing is

    you'd be wrong.

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  • CorehealerCorehealer The Apothecary The softer edge of the universe.Registered User regular
    I need feminism because I've become more and more aware over the last few months of the kind of absolutely appalling shit transwomen have had to and continue to have to deal with every day, already mentioned here and in the trans thread by other posters. And how the majority of these injustices are ignored by a good portion of the LGBT rights community and wider society at large, because of course they aren't really women.

    And it makes my blood boil.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    So here's a related funny tidbit

    Legally, employers can't ask you about your marital status or whether you have/want to have a family in the near future, or deny you employment based on those answers

    However, interviewers are sneaky as fuck and will (have, on my last two in-persons!) ask roundabout questions that take them in that direction, or get their admins to muck through a set piece about family to test the waters

    Like, I get it guys, I'm in my 30s, you assume that anyone with a uterus is babycrazy at that age because you're fucking stupid pieces of misogynistic donkey turds, but unbelievably I can perform my job whether or not I am housing another human inside my body.

  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Spirit Bomb the patriarchy

    Spirit Bomb never works.

    It gets stronger with the number of people supporting it! And it blew Buu to bits when the entire population of earth got behind it.

    One successful use is a pretty lousy track record.

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  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    So here's a related funny tidbit

    Legally, employers can't ask you about your marital status or whether you have/want to have a family in the near future, or deny you employment based on those answers

    However, interviewers are sneaky as fuck and will (have, on my last two in-persons!) ask roundabout questions that take them in that direction, or get their admins to muck through a set piece about family to test the waters

    Like, I get it guys, I'm in my 30s, you assume that anyone with a uterus is babycrazy at that age because you're fucking stupid pieces of misogynistic donkey turds, but unbelievably I can perform my job whether or not I am housing another human inside my body.

    If they could, they'd ask about potential medical conditions too. I'm pretty sure that's 90% about not wanting to hire someone who they might have to accommodate wanting an extended leave of absence. Because if you're working for them you should be beholden to their schedule, regardless of your life outside work. Sadly, they just assume women will be a problem in this area, because of their crazy biology or something.

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  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Goatmon wrote: »
    Spirit Bomb the patriarchy

    Spirit Bomb never works.

    It gets stronger with the number of people supporting it! And it blew Buu to bits when the entire population of earth got behind it.

    One successful use is a pretty lousy track record.

    Only if you define success as killing the opponent!

  • nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    There's a number of transwomen in the area and they come into work to get groceries. There's one I can think of that wears broken shoes of the wrong size because they can't afford to wear better fitting ones.

    Most of them use the self-checkout so they don't have to talk to people.
    I also see a lot of men who just decided to put on makeup and wear a skirt that day.

    I have a bad habit of staring though because I'm not used to such a gender-diverse place, and there's a rise in LGBT discrimination going on as more people working for Amazon move in. If I was more wealthy in time and money I'd spend more time donating. There's a Lifelong AIDS charity that's opening a thrift store nearby. I'm mostly straight, definately cis-gendered so I probably won't fit in but if I feel comfortable in going I'll try to support their business.

    I don't feel welcome in the LGBT community and I feel that I might be stealing from them if I were to shop there.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    Hey Bagel

    Just an FYI

    That is the second time in seven pages that you have "Oh yeah, I sympathize because that also happens/can happen to me/guys too"

  • PlatyPlaty Registered User regular
    I've seen female hobos do that

    Oh, Tynic, why'd you awesome that

    I worked with homeless people for a while

  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I'm awesomeing the diversity of your life experiences, platy

    Always take the opportunity to appreciate the moments you are thrown out of your comfort zone. Like when my 40-kg sister had to interview long-term men's prison inmates for a hepatitis survey, and found she could bond with them over tattoo stories.

  • #pipe#pipe Cocky Stride, Musky odours Pope of Chili TownRegistered User regular
    Mythbusters is the science equivalent of a big dumb action movie. It's bad science, but the spectacle of it all makes it enjoyable to watch nonetheless.

    I'm a page late but this is

    not entirely true

    it's true that it uses big explosions, zombie episodes and weird goofs to gain an audience,

    and it's true that it's not 100% scientifically rigorous and sometimes doesn't even do great science at all

    but it is an internationally successful television show on a major network on which they question and test the validity of claims on incredibly broad subjects, they show simple, fun and enlightening experiments people can do at home alongside their grand show pieces, they address and retest things when they receive criticism

    It is not a big dumb action movie masquerading as a science lecture to get an audience

    It's the other way around.

  • rhylithrhylith Death Rabbits HoustonRegistered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    is it bad that i want to go to grad school, but i want to find a professor in my field who isn't an old white man?

    cause holy fucking shit you want diversity look at top-tier grad schools and cry

    Each of the science departments at my alma mater had precisely one female professor, and they were all pretty amazeballs to the tune of being several times as knowledgeable as their male counterparts and having far more credentials.

    Because you have to be, if you're a woman.

    Which is a problem.

    I fully realize this sounds very entitled and totally up my own arse

    But I really hate being a fucking poster child for women engineers

    Aw shit I'm probably guilty of doing this to you and I'm sorry if I have.

    Aww no, it's not really an issue here! On the boards I'm defined mostly by whatever I happen to be talking about at the time, though that does sometimes end up being math/engineering/boats/etc

    Its more of an issue when I'm introducing myself, or being introduced, because there's the inevitable "what do you do?" and once we get on that topic it's all there is.

    Makes me want to change my business card from Engineer to Farthuffer and see if anybody notices

    Oh hey you huff farts too WAIT A MINUTE.

  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    I need feminism because when a guy offers to carry something for me I would like to be able to say "Thanks, but I'm all right." without getting a sarcastic "Ooh check out superwoman over here" in response

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    I need feminism because when I first started the course I'm doing I was told I would have to work twice as hard and achieve twice as much, because I'm female.

    Certain of the work placements at the end of the course aren't even open to me, because I'm female.

    It is actually kind of refreshing how blunt the sexism is here, though. I think I might prefer it over the kind where everyone thinks they're being equal but really they're just in denial.

    Wow.

  • nukanuka What are circles? Registered User regular
    When I first told my folks "Hey I think I might have depression and I should see a therapist." they lost their shit and my mother told me that I would never find work because they will ask and they won't hire me. Probably to keep me depressed. (I know that these are my problems and not every woman's problems, it's just a huge part of my life and I don't have any other way to describe things I guess. OH LOOK AN APOLOGY WITHOUT SORRY IN IT, DAMNIT.)

    More women have depression than men. It's a fact because oh hey guess what we're not treated like people. I'll post a source and edit this post when I can find one that doesn't blame it on hormones.

    So not only do we not get hired because we might have a baby but we also might not be able to work more often because of mental disorders.

    I'm so fucking thankful I have a job, and no I did not mention to the woman in HR that I have a history of severe depression.

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  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    I need feminism because when a guy offers to carry something for me I would like to be able to say "Thanks, but I'm all right." without getting a sarcastic "Ooh check out superwoman over here" in response

    So you bit him, right?

  • OmnipotentBagelOmnipotentBagel floof Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    Usagi wrote: »
    Hey Bagel

    Just an FYI

    That is the second time in seven pages that you have "Oh yeah, I sympathize because that also happens/can happen to me/guys too"

    Shit, that is not at all what I intended. Sorry. And thanks for pointing it out--my natural instinct in conversations is to try and find ways to relate, but I understand how reductive that can be here.

    Just gonna go into observe mode for a while.

    OmnipotentBagel on
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  • tynictynic PICNIC BADASS Registered User, ClubPA regular
    rhylith wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    rhylith wrote: »
    Usagi wrote: »
    Oghulk wrote: »
    is it bad that i want to go to grad school, but i want to find a professor in my field who isn't an old white man?

    cause holy fucking shit you want diversity look at top-tier grad schools and cry

    Each of the science departments at my alma mater had precisely one female professor, and they were all pretty amazeballs to the tune of being several times as knowledgeable as their male counterparts and having far more credentials.

    Because you have to be, if you're a woman.

    Which is a problem.

    I fully realize this sounds very entitled and totally up my own arse

    But I really hate being a fucking poster child for women engineers

    Aw shit I'm probably guilty of doing this to you and I'm sorry if I have.

    Aww no, it's not really an issue here! On the boards I'm defined mostly by whatever I happen to be talking about at the time, though that does sometimes end up being math/engineering/boats/etc

    Its more of an issue when I'm introducing myself, or being introduced, because there's the inevitable "what do you do?" and once we get on that topic it's all there is.

    Makes me want to change my business card from Engineer to Farthuffer and see if anybody notices

    Oh hey you huff farts too WAIT A MINUTE.

    oh my god today in the R&D department wow
    our embedded engineer is seriously allergic to gluten, dairy and eggs. He doesn't die or anything he just gets the worst intestinal trouble. Well I don't know what he ate today but at one point everybody who wasn't me got up and left. Not just the area, the entire floor.

    Anosmia has its benefits but I'm worried that now my clothes smell.

  • UsagiUsagi Nah Registered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    Hey Bagel

    Just an FYI

    That is the second time in seven pages that you have "Oh yeah, I sympathize because that also happens/can happen to me/guys too"

    Shit, that is not at all what I intended. Sorry. And thanks for pointing it out--my natural instinct in conversations is to try and find ways to relate, but I understand how reductive that can be here.

    Relating is good!

    But yes, that particular tactic can come off as reductive in threads like this--its a similar thing to when someone feels like they have to apply a situation to their mother, or their sister, or their daughter, in order for the awfulness to be valid. The awfulness is valid regardless.

    Just be aware, ok? :)

  • LiiyaLiiya Registered User regular
    edited March 2015
    nuka wrote: »
    When I first told my folks "Hey I think I might have depression and I should see a therapist." they lost their shit and my mother told me that I would never find work because they will ask and they won't hire me. Probably to keep me depressed. (I know that these are my problems and not every woman's problems, it's just a huge part of my life and I don't have any other way to describe things I guess. OH LOOK AN APOLOGY WITHOUT SORRY IN IT, DAMNIT.)

    More women have depression than men. It's a fact because oh hey guess what we're not treated like people. I'll post a source and edit this post when I can find one that doesn't blame it on hormones.

    So not only do we not get hired because we might have a baby but we also might not be able to work more often because of mental disorders.

    I'm so fucking thankful I have a job, and no I did not mention to the woman in HR that I have a history of severe depression.

    Maaan I wish I knew what to say to this other than "nuka that sucks and it sucks you're going through that, I hope one day we won't have to worry about that rubbish".

    Liiya on
  • Brovid HasselsmofBrovid Hasselsmof [Growling historic on the fury road] Registered User regular
    Usagi wrote: »
    I need feminism because when a guy offers to carry something for me I would like to be able to say "Thanks, but I'm all right." without getting a sarcastic "Ooh check out superwoman over here" in response

    So you bit him, right?

    I have been with these people eight weeks and have somehow already gotten a reputation as being violent, so I'm trying to tone down the biting a little bit.

    (I'm not violent, they're all just wusses)

  • TasteticleTasteticle Registered User regular
    I had a conversation with a woman today that identified herself as "Anti-feminism, pro-gender equality" and I was kind of at a loss because as a man, who am I to explain what I think feminism is to a woman, exactly? What's a good way to handle something like that?


    Uh-oh I accidentally deleted my signature. Uh-oh!!
  • Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Tasteticle wrote: »
    I had a conversation with a woman today that identified herself as "Anti-feminism, pro-gender equality" and I was kind of at a loss because as a man, who am I to explain what I think feminism is to a woman, exactly? What's a good way to handle something like that?

    I have a friend who is incredibly smart that genuinly thinks women dont need to be equal to men

    It is dumb founding and there really isnt anything you can do about it without mansplaining

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