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Singing lessons always help. You may never perform in Carnegie Hall, but you will improve your breath control, and expand the range of your vocal delivery. Also, simply using (not abusing) your voice by reading out loud will, over time, improve the quality and strength of your instrument. Do not think that smoking and drinking is going to help you develop a deep, rich tone. Smoking and drinking will help you develop cancer and cirrhosis of the liver. Take care of your voice, and it will work for you."
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
edited April 2007
I haven't read the entire thread Ege as it seems like a shitload of arguing but I sing falsetto and I have to vocalize. The voice runs in my mom's side of the family so I have a family full of singers and they help me out a lot. I listened to some recordings my grandmother did with another woman a long, long time ago and I was simply amazed so that's what got me into really working on my voice.
I cannot describe in words how to properly vocalize. I suggest you look it up or better yet find a person who knows. My mom showed me how to do it and it has done wonders for my falsetto. I am not sure if it will work for making your voice deeper however.
Edit: I just asked my mom and she said vocalizing can in fact make your voice deeper.
Um, that might be hard for him to look up, since the word 'vocalize' encompasses plenty of different singing techniques, and has around several thousand meanings. Think you might need to be a bit more specific and try and explain which one you mean.
There's nothing wrong with being a tenor, man. Having a higher range can give you a real advantage, so you could just try embracing it.
I'm a baritone myself, and I sing all the time. Your voice will definitely get deeper as you age, past your teen years anyway. And you can train to expand your range... but you can really speak in any register you want, right?
My girlfriend's been trying to lower her normal speaking voice- a lot of the time, she speaks very high in her range, which can cause some strain. It's actually more natural for her to speak lower than she does, just not what she does by habit.
I guess my suggestion would be to investigate what your vocal range actually is- try singing a scale if you know music, listen to your recorded voice, and maybe talk to a good voice instructor about what your natural voice is like, and if you can speak in a lower register without hurting yourself.
Or, ask around and see if there's a group that needs a tenor in the vicinity. They'll love you.
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
Um, that might be hard for him to look up, since the word 'vocalize' encompasses plenty of different singing techniques, and has around several thousand meanings. Think you might need to be a bit more specific and try and explain which one you mean.
I'll try. When I try to do a falsetto bit and my voice can't quite hack it I get to the part where my voice begins to break and I hold that part and just keep making that sound. You keep making that sound but you have to adjust your mouth so that your teeth sort of vibrate and you can really feel the sound in your head. I'm sure this makes no sense and I really have no clue how it works but damn it works for me.
Well, not necessarily. Some musicals put alot of strain on people. You can hit every note exactly like you're supposed to, but just due to the sheer amount you have to do it can take alot out of you. Of course, training for it will negate that, but for a musical at least often you don't have that much time.
Ya, but it shouldn't hurt. Also, when you're singing in a musical it's a different style of singing that, if overdone, can actually be bad for your voice.
Is all over projection bad? Even when using proper technique, I mean. What's the difference between a shout and a loud-as-you-can manage tone?
Well, it is possible to shout without hurting yourself. Like I said before, you can yell and scream without hurting yourself, it just takes a lot of skill. It's all about where the sound is coming from.
I'll try. When I try to do a falsetto bit and my voice can't quite hack it I get to the part where my voice begins to break and I hold that part and just keep making that sound. You keep making that sound but you have to adjust your mouth so that your teeth sort of vibrate and you can really feel the sound in your head. I'm sure this makes no sense and I really have no clue how it works but damn it works for me.
I think you're talking about a combination of basic singing practice, a pure falsetto technique and vocalisation as in changing vowel sounds.
One, the teeth vibrating thing is just good technique to focus sound, often described as trying to direct the sound as a laser beam out of your forehead. It's more to do with correct posture and mentally focusing yourself to make the sound. It's used for difficult, high bits, and general power.
Two, adjusting your falsetto technique by holding a difficult note and playing around with it is just trying to find the correct way to pitch that note in falsetto (or any difficult note).
Three, adjusting your mouth is the closest thing to what I know as vocalisation, you are creating a resonance chamber within your mouth and altering the vowel sound to improve the quality of the note. A lot of sopranos and tenors do this in opera, they will sing the highest parts with open vowel sounds instead of the correct pronuncuation: for example, "eee" will become "aiy", "orh" will become more "aah", and so on.
Famous example, listen to almost any tenor singing "Largo al factotum" from the Barber of Seville (you'll know it if you locate a recording), and the high G ending: "della citta" or "deh-lah chee-tah" will usually be sung "deh-lah chay-tah" or similar, because it's incredibly difficult to change from the "ah" vowel to "eee" on a note at the very top of your range. Another famous example is the Queen of the Night aria from the Magic Flute, where the soprano singing the coloratura high F will just sing whatever bloody vowel she can get out, instead of the actual "ah".
Speaking as someone who is a double bass, the shouting thing definitely has an effect. I used to be a alto/soprano and then two important things happened.
1) I used to scream myself hoarse at football games when I was in Band, after which for the next day or three, my voice would sound much deeper. 4 years of this and then college same thing = deep resonant voice today. I actually have to make an effort to raise the pitch of my voice so people can hear me.
2) The uhhh "boys" dropped.
One other thing you may try that I used to do. Speak backwards ( no not like "olleh") -inhale when you speak instead of exhale. I used to do this messing around with people. You sound crazy deep voice, partially because you have to really open your throat up to do it. My brother and I both used to do this, he is also a double bass now, and our dad is a tenor/baritone so it's not as much genetics as you might think.
The shouting yourself hoarse thing is really not a good idea b/c as earlier poster mentioned you can seriously f up your throat.
One other thing you may try that I used to do. Speak backwards ( no not like "olleh") -inhale when you speak instead of exhale. I used to do this messing around with people.
Using the above technique, I believe that you can sing all - fucking - night.
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Singing lessons always help. You may never perform in Carnegie Hall, but you will improve your breath control, and expand the range of your vocal delivery. Also, simply using (not abusing) your voice by reading out loud will, over time, improve the quality and strength of your instrument. Do not think that smoking and drinking is going to help you develop a deep, rich tone. Smoking and drinking will help you develop cancer and cirrhosis of the liver. Take care of your voice, and it will work for you."
I cannot describe in words how to properly vocalize. I suggest you look it up or better yet find a person who knows. My mom showed me how to do it and it has done wonders for my falsetto. I am not sure if it will work for making your voice deeper however.
Edit: I just asked my mom and she said vocalizing can in fact make your voice deeper.
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There's nothing wrong with being a tenor, man. Having a higher range can give you a real advantage, so you could just try embracing it.
I'm a baritone myself, and I sing all the time. Your voice will definitely get deeper as you age, past your teen years anyway. And you can train to expand your range... but you can really speak in any register you want, right?
My girlfriend's been trying to lower her normal speaking voice- a lot of the time, she speaks very high in her range, which can cause some strain. It's actually more natural for her to speak lower than she does, just not what she does by habit.
I guess my suggestion would be to investigate what your vocal range actually is- try singing a scale if you know music, listen to your recorded voice, and maybe talk to a good voice instructor about what your natural voice is like, and if you can speak in a lower register without hurting yourself.
Or, ask around and see if there's a group that needs a tenor in the vicinity. They'll love you.
I'll try. When I try to do a falsetto bit and my voice can't quite hack it I get to the part where my voice begins to break and I hold that part and just keep making that sound. You keep making that sound but you have to adjust your mouth so that your teeth sort of vibrate and you can really feel the sound in your head. I'm sure this makes no sense and I really have no clue how it works but damn it works for me.
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Well, it is possible to shout without hurting yourself. Like I said before, you can yell and scream without hurting yourself, it just takes a lot of skill. It's all about where the sound is coming from.
*searches for "smoking"*
ahh. good. That's taken care of then.
*leaves*
I think you're talking about a combination of basic singing practice, a pure falsetto technique and vocalisation as in changing vowel sounds.
One, the teeth vibrating thing is just good technique to focus sound, often described as trying to direct the sound as a laser beam out of your forehead. It's more to do with correct posture and mentally focusing yourself to make the sound. It's used for difficult, high bits, and general power.
Two, adjusting your falsetto technique by holding a difficult note and playing around with it is just trying to find the correct way to pitch that note in falsetto (or any difficult note).
Three, adjusting your mouth is the closest thing to what I know as vocalisation, you are creating a resonance chamber within your mouth and altering the vowel sound to improve the quality of the note. A lot of sopranos and tenors do this in opera, they will sing the highest parts with open vowel sounds instead of the correct pronuncuation: for example, "eee" will become "aiy", "orh" will become more "aah", and so on.
Famous example, listen to almost any tenor singing "Largo al factotum" from the Barber of Seville (you'll know it if you locate a recording), and the high G ending: "della citta" or "deh-lah chee-tah" will usually be sung "deh-lah chay-tah" or similar, because it's incredibly difficult to change from the "ah" vowel to "eee" on a note at the very top of your range. Another famous example is the Queen of the Night aria from the Magic Flute, where the soprano singing the coloratura high F will just sing whatever bloody vowel she can get out, instead of the actual "ah".
1) I used to scream myself hoarse at football games when I was in Band, after which for the next day or three, my voice would sound much deeper. 4 years of this and then college same thing = deep resonant voice today. I actually have to make an effort to raise the pitch of my voice so people can hear me.
2) The uhhh "boys" dropped.
One other thing you may try that I used to do. Speak backwards ( no not like "olleh") -inhale when you speak instead of exhale. I used to do this messing around with people. You sound crazy deep voice, partially because you have to really open your throat up to do it. My brother and I both used to do this, he is also a double bass now, and our dad is a tenor/baritone so it's not as much genetics as you might think.
The shouting yourself hoarse thing is really not a good idea b/c as earlier poster mentioned you can seriously f up your throat.
Using the above technique, I believe that you can sing all - fucking - night.
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