You can force your family members to join you directly if they are below you in regards to your dynasty standing.
Well, that helps. Ok, so cousin marriages it is, then.
Ok, kids, everyone line up boy-girl-boy-girl in order of your highest skill, I'll explain when you're older. "This will give them the Incest secret." Game it ain't a secret when everybody on the island already has the same last name.
If that's the way you want to play it, you can just reform your faith so that incest is legal. The Pope won't be happy with you, but at least your family won't be secretly incestuous.
Throw in some Divine Marriage to make it really pop.
Why is it that every discussion about CK inevitably turn to "why don't you just start your own weird sex cult" within, like, five posts? I wonder what Godwin would have to say about this. :P
I honestly prefer the sex cult talk to the rampant advocating of infanticide that is any thread regarding inheritance issues.
You can force your family members to join you directly if they are below you in regards to your dynasty standing.
Well, that helps. Ok, so cousin marriages it is, then.
Ok, kids, everyone line up boy-girl-boy-girl in order of your highest skill, I'll explain when you're older. "This will give them the Incest secret." Game it ain't a secret when everybody on the island already has the same last name.
If that's the way you want to play it, you can just reform your faith so that incest is legal. The Pope won't be happy with you, but at least your family won't be secretly incestuous.
Throw in some Divine Marriage to make it really pop.
Why is it that every discussion about CK inevitably turn to "why don't you just start your own weird sex cult" within, like, five posts? I wonder what Godwin would have to say about this. :P
I honestly prefer the sex cult talk to the rampant advocating of infanticide that is any thread regarding inheritance issues.
Both often pop up in the same discussion because sex cults can make inheritance a bit messy.
A bit more seriously, you do have a lot more tools to navigate inheritance that makes infanticide less important than before. The Restraint perk lets you just stop at one heir. The dynasty perks that make it easier to pass down genetic traits mean that in a few generations all your kids are likely to be geniuses or at least intelligent so there are fewer disappointing heirs. The dynasty and learning perks that improve education of children also help with this. And you can also just disinherit kids although it comes at a cost.
Now if you're trying to manipulate another family's inheritance so that the fourth in line that is betrothed to someone in your dynasty inherits, then yeah, it's still infanticide.
A bit more seriously, you do have a lot more tools to navigate inheritance that makes infanticide less important than before. The Restraint perk lets you just stop at one heir. The dynasty perks that make it easier to pass down genetic traits mean that in a few generations all your kids are likely to be geniuses or at least intelligent so there are fewer disappointing heirs. The dynasty and learning perks that improve education of children also help with this. And you can also just disinherit kids although it comes at a cost.
Now if you're trying to manipulate another family's inheritance so that the fourth in line that is betrothed to someone in your dynasty inherits, then yeah, it's still infanticide.
The prestige system giving you rewards for having kids that you don't end up playing as and never really benefit your gameplay to much other degree was nice as well. You have reason to care about the family name.
A bit more seriously, you do have a lot more tools to navigate inheritance that makes infanticide less important than before. The Restraint perk lets you just stop at one heir. The dynasty perks that make it easier to pass down genetic traits mean that in a few generations all your kids are likely to be geniuses or at least intelligent so there are fewer disappointing heirs. The dynasty and learning perks that improve education of children also help with this. And you can also just disinherit kids although it comes at a cost.
Now if you're trying to manipulate another family's inheritance so that the fourth in line that is betrothed to someone in your dynasty inherits, then yeah, it's still infanticide.
The prestige system giving you rewards for having kids that you don't end up playing as and never really benefit your gameplay to much other degree was nice as well. You have reason to care about the family name.
Not to mention the Dynasty bonuses and the ability to manipulate members of your dynasty diplomatically.
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Yeah, like I mentioned recently, in CK2 there wasn't a whole lot of reason to secure foreign thrones for dynasty members, but getting tangible benefits from the increased prestige generation is really nice.
A bit more seriously, you do have a lot more tools to navigate inheritance that makes infanticide less important than before. The Restraint perk lets you just stop at one heir. The dynasty perks that make it easier to pass down genetic traits mean that in a few generations all your kids are likely to be geniuses or at least intelligent so there are fewer disappointing heirs. The dynasty and learning perks that improve education of children also help with this. And you can also just disinherit kids although it comes at a cost.
Now if you're trying to manipulate another family's inheritance so that the fourth in line that is betrothed to someone in your dynasty inherits, then yeah, it's still infanticide.
The prestige system giving you rewards for having kids that you don't end up playing as and never really benefit your gameplay to much other degree was nice as well. You have reason to care about the family name.
There are some other good family interactions now too. A witch coven composed of family members can yield great benefits like being able to ask a family member to teach you a focus perk even for stats you're not focused on.
You can force your family members to join you directly if they are below you in regards to your dynasty standing.
Well, that helps. Ok, so cousin marriages it is, then.
Ok, kids, everyone line up boy-girl-boy-girl in order of your highest skill, I'll explain when you're older. "This will give them the Incest secret." Game it ain't a secret when everybody on the island already has the same last name.
If that's the way you want to play it, you can just reform your faith so that incest is legal. The Pope won't be happy with you, but at least your family won't be secretly incestuous.
Throw in some Divine Marriage to make it really pop.
Why is it that every discussion about CK inevitably turn to "why don't you just start your own weird sex cult" within, like, five posts? I wonder what Godwin would have to say about this. :P
I honestly prefer the sex cult talk to the rampant advocating of infanticide that is any thread regarding inheritance issues.
I mean... I've been systematically wiping out the entire order of succession for the HRE in hopes of neutering the inevitable holy war that would come from turning the British isles into said sex cult, so sometimes they're one and the same.
Looks like actually reforming Insular Christianity is going to be more than I can manage but... I can make a new religion with just a boatload of piety it looks like? Maybe I could recreate the Irish pagan religion, they've got a god of beer and pretzels and like six different gods and goddesses of sex and fertility, so clearly a faith with their priorities in order.
You can force your family members to join you directly if they are below you in regards to your dynasty standing.
Well, that helps. Ok, so cousin marriages it is, then.
Ok, kids, everyone line up boy-girl-boy-girl in order of your highest skill, I'll explain when you're older. "This will give them the Incest secret." Game it ain't a secret when everybody on the island already has the same last name.
If that's the way you want to play it, you can just reform your faith so that incest is legal. The Pope won't be happy with you, but at least your family won't be secretly incestuous.
Throw in some Divine Marriage to make it really pop.
Why is it that every discussion about CK inevitably turn to "why don't you just start your own weird sex cult" within, like, five posts? I wonder what Godwin would have to say about this. :P
I honestly prefer the sex cult talk to the rampant advocating of infanticide that is any thread regarding inheritance issues.
I mean... I've been systematically wiping out the entire order of succession for the HRE in hopes of neutering the inevitable holy war that would come from turning the British isles into said sex cult, so sometimes they're one and the same.
Looks like actually reforming Insular Christianity is going to be more than I can manage but... I can make a new religion with just a boatload of piety it looks like? Maybe I could recreate the Irish pagan religion, they've got a god of beer and pretzels and like six different gods and goddesses of sex and fertility, so clearly a faith with their priorities in order.
In the Theologian tree of the Learning Lifestyle there's a perk - Prophet - that cuts the Piety cost for the creation/reformation of a faith in half.
One of the surprising little quirks of the faith creation system is that only the holiest of the holy can start the really out-there naked sex cult. You'd think it'd be easier for someone riddled with vice to start a sex cult, but no; the more virtuous you are, the easier it is to get your sexy heresy on.
I saw that and mostly ignored it before, but might be a long term goal if I want to make Dagda's Holy Temple of Sibling Marriage for the sake of breeding myself a vassal swarm.
Though just being pretty much normal Christian just got a holy war declared on England by the pope and I got a front row seat to the kind of hammer the HRE can drop onna crusade, this whole scheme might be even more ill conceived than my invasion of Iceland (which went fine but half my council has been stuck there trying to fix the mess since my armies left and the whole place is just an inconvenience).
You can force your family members to join you directly if they are below you in regards to your dynasty standing.
Well, that helps. Ok, so cousin marriages it is, then.
Ok, kids, everyone line up boy-girl-boy-girl in order of your highest skill, I'll explain when you're older. "This will give them the Incest secret." Game it ain't a secret when everybody on the island already has the same last name.
If that's the way you want to play it, you can just reform your faith so that incest is legal. The Pope won't be happy with you, but at least your family won't be secretly incestuous.
Throw in some Divine Marriage to make it really pop.
Why is it that every discussion about CK inevitably turn to "why don't you just start your own weird sex cult" within, like, five posts? I wonder what Godwin would have to say about this. :P
I honestly prefer the sex cult talk to the rampant advocating of infanticide that is any thread regarding inheritance issues.
I mean... I've been systematically wiping out the entire order of succession for the HRE in hopes of neutering the inevitable holy war that would come from turning the British isles into said sex cult, so sometimes they're one and the same.
Looks like actually reforming Insular Christianity is going to be more than I can manage but... I can make a new religion with just a boatload of piety it looks like? Maybe I could recreate the Irish pagan religion, they've got a god of beer and pretzels and like six different gods and goddesses of sex and fertility, so clearly a faith with their priorities in order.
In the Theologian tree of the Learning Lifestyle there's a perk - Prophet - that cuts the Piety cost for the creation/reformation of a faith in half.
One of the surprising little quirks of the faith creation system is that only the holiest of the holy can start the really out-there naked sex cult. You'd think it'd be easier for someone riddled with vice to start a sex cult, but no; the more virtuous you are, the easier it is to get your sexy heresy on.
It's the difference from being a one man debauchery station and being able to convince a whole lot of people that ritualized debauchery is what God wants the devout to engage in. It's weird but so are the kinds of people that start cults.
Re-subbed to game pass and re-installed this. My first two tries ages ago were both kings, decided to try a duke inside central Byzantium this time. So relaxing, no need to worry about getting mauled by big kingdoms and the other dukes I can handle easily. Romanced and befriended my pretty wife and went into a building and development spree while getting more kids every 1.5 years. Most of the time nothing much happens but that's what the higher speeds are for. Now if our emperor wasn't such a 4-learning moron so that he'd invent something at some point everything would be perfect ... hmm, guess I could try assassinate him, no idea how super-hard that is though. I do have like 20 hooks, I've had my 24 intrigue spymaster digging up secrets a while now.
I've found it's generally pretty easy with your spymaster set to support and a few good hooks in their court. Don't trust the numbers it gives you, though, ive found events during the plot tend to erode it down more than improve it.
You can go for heirs and wives, too. They're usually easier than rulers and you can stress them and break up alliances, I think. Also let's you move a younger son up the ladder a bit in case the first heir is no better.
I’ve found killing emperors is stupidly easy sometimes. Big empires are prone to a lot of infighting so you can get lots of his vassals on board with zero effort
I’ve found killing emperors is stupidly easy sometimes. Big empires are prone to a lot of infighting so you can get lots of his vassals on board with zero effort
I ended up not murdering him, but others weren't quite so happy with his reign and a nice 20k vs 20k civil war started. I just watched them go at it, trying to help one side or the other with a 6k stack just ends up with me getting mobbed for no real benefit. Once they had finished I declared war on one of the now weakened participants and grabbed a county. Then I held a feast to honor the victory and died right in the middle of the festivities. Oops. My gay son and his genius wife managed the power transition fairly smoothly, will have to see how it goes next time I play.
Not entirely sure what my actual goal is but it is all strangely mesmerizing. Kind of like playing Sims on a huge scale (and a lot closer to HBO cable than Saturday morning cartoons style). Whatever I'm doing I got my little eugenics program going on on the sidelines, as is the CK3 way.
Finally ran head first into the downsides of being a vassal. The incessant civil wars got somewhere and suddenly half of Byzantine Empire turned into Georgia. I lost a third of my lands with no way to fight back. Well, went to war to get some of the lands back and while I'm fighting the owner of the target land changes, making the war invalid. I start another war against the new owner and midway through this war the owner again changes and I somehow lost half of what lands I had left. So without losing any wars I've went from 12 counties to 2 counties. I'd start another war but my peasants kinda hate me as it is and I'm afraid the war target would just change again, making the whole thing pointless. Meanwhile off to the north-west HRE is ballooning up and looks like it'll swallow the whole world at this rate.
Oh well. At least with 1500 man-at-arms I'm the toughest little 2-country duke ever.
My spymaster tells me somebody is plotting to kill my wife!
My spymaster tells me somebody is plotting to kill my sister!
And my daughter!
And my son!
And my other son!
And my brother!
Holy shit I pissed somebody off, maybe I should stop killing popes.
Nope, turns out my family is just a bunch of assholes trying to kill each other and I can't just hang them all and start over because ThAt WoUlD bE tYrAnNy
My spymaster tells me somebody is plotting to kill my wife!
My spymaster tells me somebody is plotting to kill my sister!
And my daughter!
And my son!
And my other son!
And my brother!
Holy shit I pissed somebody off, maybe I should stop killing popes.
Nope, turns out my family is just a bunch of assholes trying to kill each other and I can't just hang them all and start over because ThAt WoUlD bE tYrAnNy
Took me waaaay too long to figure out one of my daughters had gone psycho and was systematically picking off the family. I lost like five kids and then my wife before finally catching her.
Thankfully, I was playing Asatru and could just Blood Eagle my own daughter to feel better.
Some of the stories in this game. Amazing, just glad I am not living them.
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I installed this again and immediately when the map loads up I can only think of really stupid things to do. Like playing as a count in Cyrenaica and making my guy Greek and Hellenistic religion.
How would I even go about doing something like that, like say I wanted to convert the population both religious and culturally? My first game I was Tengri bulgar and still couldn't keep the culture/religion from swaying to slavic/orthodox despite trying. And this current idea would be much less prone to work in the first place.
Honestly though from that first game I remember converting a county having an estimated time of completion being like 50 years and progress actually being negative over time.
If you start that run as a preexisting subject of someone, you will fairly quickly need to set up title revocation and religious conversion on your vassal contract, otherwise the AI is constantly going to be screwing with you. And if you start it as the leader of a nation you'll have constant rebellions from your different religion subjects, so it has to be a process of expanding and converting land as you conquer.
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Is Haestinn back to being utterly busted with the new theme pack?
My wife seems to keep getting pregnant while I'm off fighting wars (and with Ireland on the map now including all of Britannia, Iceland, and Normandy and a few bits and bobs on Spain this is a lot of wars). I choose to believe she's just finding out while I'm away because if I don't actually figure it out they don't seem to count as bastards, and aside from the one she had with our son they've got ok stats. But one just grew up and started wearing a turban and I have questions.
I put him with a Spanish vassal, but I didn't check the concert culture/religion boxes. Can they just do that anyway?
Edit: only when explaining the game do I realize just what a horrible nightmare world this game is.
My wife seems to keep getting pregnant while I'm off fighting wars (and with Ireland on the map now including all of Britannia, Iceland, and Normandy and a few bits and bobs on Spain this is a lot of wars). I choose to believe she's just finding out while I'm away because if I don't actually figure it out they don't seem to count as bastards, and aside from the one she had with our son they've got ok stats. But one just grew up and started wearing a turban and I have questions.
I put him with a Spanish vassal, but I didn't check the concert culture/religion boxes. Can they just do that anyway?
Edit: only when explaining the game do I realize just what a horrible nightmare world this game is.
Distance is only a suggestion for named characters as evidenced by how a knight/champion can be leading one army but fighting as a unit in another. That doesn't make the game world any less of a horrible nightmare.
So I can get my wife back in Ireland pregnant while I'm in Germany but I just *had* to bring my infant grandson with me to get captured. Gotcha.
That part does confuse me. Normally a character's family members just hang out their court and get brutally murdered if a peasant revolt finishes its siege of their realm capitol. I've lost so many dynasty members that way due to vassal dynasty members just not responding to threats against their homes.
I assume it's because I made myself his guardian ("infant" isn't really accurate, I think he was 9). My first couple generations this never proved an issue and I could raise some good future knights, wars on Ireland were small and all the leaders except the random Norse dude were on good opinion even while fighting wars, and half the island united peacefully right before I accidentally gave my crown to my wife.
As soon as I took over England and started piecing out France I ended up on a lot bigger stage and shits not so friendly anymore. If I'm not dealing with the consequences of my terrible idea of conquering Iceland I'm fighting Duke Fuckstick's vassal rebellion for him somewhere in Scandinavia or the HRE and everyone is trying to murder everyone and I stole the pope's hat because that's what all the Youtubers seem to be doing lately.
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Do not fight Duke Fuckstick's vassal rebellion, his vassals are his problem not yours
Do not fight Duke Fuckstick's vassal rebellion, his vassals are his problem not yours
Unless Duke Fuckstick is part your dynasty. Then it might be your problem.
Only if he's your heir.
Which brings to question why you named him Fuckstick...
Look, when you have a breeding program for Genius heirs sometimes the only way to guarantee usable spouses for your grandkids is to keep your cousins from getting wiped out. Unlanded Fuckstick isn't going to sire as many kids and live up to his name as well as Duke Fuckstick.
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I honestly prefer the sex cult talk to the rampant advocating of infanticide that is any thread regarding inheritance issues.
Both often pop up in the same discussion because sex cults can make inheritance a bit messy.
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Now if you're trying to manipulate another family's inheritance so that the fourth in line that is betrothed to someone in your dynasty inherits, then yeah, it's still infanticide.
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The prestige system giving you rewards for having kids that you don't end up playing as and never really benefit your gameplay to much other degree was nice as well. You have reason to care about the family name.
Not to mention the Dynasty bonuses and the ability to manipulate members of your dynasty diplomatically.
There are some other good family interactions now too. A witch coven composed of family members can yield great benefits like being able to ask a family member to teach you a focus perk even for stats you're not focused on.
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I mean... I've been systematically wiping out the entire order of succession for the HRE in hopes of neutering the inevitable holy war that would come from turning the British isles into said sex cult, so sometimes they're one and the same.
Looks like actually reforming Insular Christianity is going to be more than I can manage but... I can make a new religion with just a boatload of piety it looks like? Maybe I could recreate the Irish pagan religion, they've got a god of beer and pretzels and like six different gods and goddesses of sex and fertility, so clearly a faith with their priorities in order.
In the Theologian tree of the Learning Lifestyle there's a perk - Prophet - that cuts the Piety cost for the creation/reformation of a faith in half.
One of the surprising little quirks of the faith creation system is that only the holiest of the holy can start the really out-there naked sex cult. You'd think it'd be easier for someone riddled with vice to start a sex cult, but no; the more virtuous you are, the easier it is to get your sexy heresy on.
Though just being pretty much normal Christian just got a holy war declared on England by the pope and I got a front row seat to the kind of hammer the HRE can drop onna crusade, this whole scheme might be even more ill conceived than my invasion of Iceland (which went fine but half my council has been stuck there trying to fix the mess since my armies left and the whole place is just an inconvenience).
It's the difference from being a one man debauchery station and being able to convince a whole lot of people that ritualized debauchery is what God wants the devout to engage in. It's weird but so are the kinds of people that start cults.
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You can go for heirs and wives, too. They're usually easier than rulers and you can stress them and break up alliances, I think. Also let's you move a younger son up the ladder a bit in case the first heir is no better.
I ended up not murdering him, but others weren't quite so happy with his reign and a nice 20k vs 20k civil war started. I just watched them go at it, trying to help one side or the other with a 6k stack just ends up with me getting mobbed for no real benefit. Once they had finished I declared war on one of the now weakened participants and grabbed a county. Then I held a feast to honor the victory and died right in the middle of the festivities. Oops. My gay son and his genius wife managed the power transition fairly smoothly, will have to see how it goes next time I play.
Not entirely sure what my actual goal is but it is all strangely mesmerizing. Kind of like playing Sims on a huge scale (and a lot closer to HBO cable than Saturday morning cartoons style). Whatever I'm doing I got my little eugenics program going on on the sidelines, as is the CK3 way.
Oh well. At least with 1500 man-at-arms I'm the toughest little 2-country duke ever.
My spymaster tells me somebody is plotting to kill my sister!
And my daughter!
And my son!
And my other son!
And my brother!
Holy shit I pissed somebody off, maybe I should stop killing popes.
Nope, turns out my family is just a bunch of assholes trying to kill each other and I can't just hang them all and start over because ThAt WoUlD bE tYrAnNy
Took me waaaay too long to figure out one of my daughters had gone psycho and was systematically picking off the family. I lost like five kids and then my wife before finally catching her.
Thankfully, I was playing Asatru and could just Blood Eagle my own daughter to feel better.
How would I even go about doing something like that, like say I wanted to convert the population both religious and culturally? My first game I was Tengri bulgar and still couldn't keep the culture/religion from swaying to slavic/orthodox despite trying. And this current idea would be much less prone to work in the first place.
Honestly though from that first game I remember converting a county having an estimated time of completion being like 50 years and progress actually being negative over time.
I put him with a Spanish vassal, but I didn't check the concert culture/religion boxes. Can they just do that anyway?
Edit: only when explaining the game do I realize just what a horrible nightmare world this game is.
Distance is only a suggestion for named characters as evidenced by how a knight/champion can be leading one army but fighting as a unit in another. That doesn't make the game world any less of a horrible nightmare.
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That part does confuse me. Normally a character's family members just hang out their court and get brutally murdered if a peasant revolt finishes its siege of their realm capitol. I've lost so many dynasty members that way due to vassal dynasty members just not responding to threats against their homes.
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As soon as I took over England and started piecing out France I ended up on a lot bigger stage and shits not so friendly anymore. If I'm not dealing with the consequences of my terrible idea of conquering Iceland I'm fighting Duke Fuckstick's vassal rebellion for him somewhere in Scandinavia or the HRE and everyone is trying to murder everyone and I stole the pope's hat because that's what all the Youtubers seem to be doing lately.
Unless Duke Fuckstick is part your dynasty. Then it might be your problem.
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Only if he's your heir.
Which brings to question why you named him Fuckstick...
Look, when you have a breeding program for Genius heirs sometimes the only way to guarantee usable spouses for your grandkids is to keep your cousins from getting wiped out. Unlanded Fuckstick isn't going to sire as many kids and live up to his name as well as Duke Fuckstick.
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I saw this and dammit all if it isn't so freaking true.
I mean, it's Crusader Kings. It kind of always was.