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vegan bbq?

crakecrake Registered User regular
edited April 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
I know I can easily google recpies, but I'm hoping you guys have some tested tastey vegan bbq recipies to recommend. (OTHER then grilled veggies)

I have a girl to impress and I'm a big ol' meat eater.

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  • JPArbiterJPArbiter Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Vegan Barbeque is an oxymoron. literally

    barbeque is the art of slowcooking meats either by smoking, or cooking overcharcoal, with the use of a variety of sauces and spices. the three main types of Barbeque are

    Kansas City style- emphasis on smoked meats and thick molasis based sauces

    Austin/Mesquite stlyle- AKA dry rub. flavor provided by the rich hickory or mesquite wood and direct heat. spcies are rubbed into meat before cooking

    Memphis Style- uses sweet Vinegerey sauce and cole slaw to accent faster cooked heavily marinated meats

    I am partial to Kansas City Style (growing up in the midwest, as opposed to the southwest or Belts)

    if you wish to impress a vegan girl with BBQ, I reccomend halting immediatly, unless you think you can successfully convert her.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2007
    Nah.

    There are plenty of things you can do with veggies and a bbq.

    In our last bbq we had 3 vegan girls over. They brought their own stuff and cooked it and it looked great.

    i'll ask them what they did.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Could you have been less helpful? BBQ in the colloquial use means cooking over fire. Meat is hardly a requirement.

    Look into tofu. I love the stuff, even though I'm mostly carnivore. It's great, because firm tofu has (to me) a pleasing texture to chew, and it really soaks up the flavors of what your cook it with. I don't know if you can get actual tofu 'steaks' but if you can, just treat them like you would a regular steak. Sauce them up, grill them, and serve. I would highly suggest getting your hands on some tofu before hand and experimenting with cooking and recipes to find out what you like, and the best way to prepare it.

    Grilled corn on the cob is also delicious. Husk it, put it on the grill, and just before it's done, pull it off and baste with a watered down soy sauce/touch of butter mix, then put it back on for another few minutes. Absolutely delicious.

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  • JPArbiterJPArbiter Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    You are missing the point

    BBQ by definition requires the animal death, everything else is just grilled veggies and tofu

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Well, most definitions of barbecue agree that it is a process involving meat, but the fundamentals are the same whether you're BBQing a chicken or a sneaker, so it's pretty pedantic to argue that the question is invalid.

    I'd say veggie skewers/kabobs, maybe tofu roasts? I dunno. Add BBQ seasoning to the tofu and sauce to the skewers.

    Edit: JPA: You're right but I think the spirit of the OP is intact regardless so your argument is somewhat unhelpful.

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    JPArbiter wrote: »
    I am missing the point
    Yes, you are. If you have nothing useful to add, stop posting. The OP wants ideas for vegan cooking on the grill. It's not a hard concept to wrap your head around.

    Wide-cap mushrooms can be another nicely grilled item. Various veggies, spices and potatoes can be combined, wrapped in tin foil, and then cooked on the grill for further good eating.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2007
    JPArbiter wrote: »
    You are missing the point

    BBQ by definition requires the animal death, everything else is just grilled veggies and tofu

    who cares about what the word actually means

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Garden Burger. Seriously, they are delicious, and they grill wonderfully.
    Boca makes good bratwurst and Italian sausage analogs as well.

    Also, you should grill some corn on the cob as it is also delicious.

    EDIT: JPArbiter, dictionary.com lists 7 definitions for barbecue. Three of them make no mention of meat. To barbecue can mean the process by which something is cooked or the apparatus on which they are cooked as well as meaning meat slathered in barbecue sauce. In short, learn2dictionary, noob.

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  • JPArbiterJPArbiter Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    ahhh how cute altering the quote from you are missing the point to Iam missing the point.

    look it is obvious I am going to be played as Ignorant McPhearson here. I am just a purist, don't call it Barbeque if it does not invovle meat. it is called Grilling then.

    If you want to know how to GRILL Vegan food, then so far the above suggestions are excellent. Shitake "burgers" are something I have found work well to, and keep flavor of the charcoal. Go lite on fluid and use indirect heat. make sure you boil the tofu in an onion broth, treat it with a light marinade of a thin carolina style, and give it no more then two minutes over charcoal. Keep it from coming into contact with the grill.

    usefull enough for you Gabriel???

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  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Looks like the 3rd time was the charm.

    Ultimately, just go to your local big grocery store and check out their selection of vegetarian/vegan foods. It's perfectly possible to have a menu almost indistinguishable from what you'd normally make, with the difference only being apparent if you read the ingredients on the packaging. Once it's been grilled, sauced, and served, a veggie burger can be just as tasty as a cow based one.

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  • rockmonkeyrockmonkey Little RockRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I second the idea of some type of tofu or a veggie kabob and grilled corn on the cob.

    I'd suggest you decide early and a couple days in advance test prepare a few of the foods to make sure the seasoning work and to get a better feel for the timing.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Both corn and asparagus grill very nicely. Given the time of year I'd go with the latter. Just grill and toss with some salt and olive oil.

    [Edit]Bah, got distracted by the BBQ vs grilling controversy and forgot the besides grilled veggie part. I'll let any vegans suggest meat substitues.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm not sure how to do it myself but my mom used to marinate large portebello mushrooms in a bbq sauce then grill them. By the time they were done you could barely tell it wasn't just really soft meat. Delicious.

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  • DekuStickDekuStick Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I like to cut open a potatoe and slam it full of veggies. Wrap it up in aluminum foil and pop it on the top rack. Delicious side piece of the meal.

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  • SevorakSevorak Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Grilled eggplant is pretty tasty. Just put some olive oil on both sides and put it in the grill for a couple minutes each side.

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  • rockmonkeyrockmonkey Little RockRegistered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I can't stress enough how important it is that you do a run through before the actual day. Nothing worse than having guests wait for food (a main reason they are over, to eat dinner) and then you ruin/burn the food because it is your first time trying to cook something like this.

    Most things you'll be ok with as long as you keep an eye on them.

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  • crakecrake Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    JPArbiter wrote: »
    ahhh how cute altering the quote from you are missing the point to Iam missing the point.

    look it is obvious I am going to be played as Ignorant McPhearson here. I am just a purist, don't call it Barbeque if it does not invovle meat. it is called Grilling then.

    If you want to know how to GRILL Vegan food, then so far the above suggestions are excellent. Shitake "burgers" are something I have found work well to, and keep flavor of the charcoal. Go lite on fluid and use indirect heat. make sure you boil the tofu in an onion broth, treat it with a light marinade of a thin carolina style, and give it no more then two minutes over charcoal. Keep it from coming into contact with the grill.

    usefull enough for you Gabriel???

    I don't want to know anything from you at this particular point. You're being an arrogant jerk, not an educator.

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  • NexusSixNexusSix Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I'm not sure how to do it myself but my mom used to marinate large portebello mushrooms in a bbq sauce then grill them. By the time they were done you could barely tell it wasn't just really soft meat. Delicious.

    This is the way to go, although we usually just do the olive oil route and toss them on the grill. Portebello tastes like tender meat and is a heavenly dish. Just run a google for some grill recipes.

    I'm guessing the answer to this question is yes, but I'll ask anyway: is shellfish totally off the menu as well? Portebello stuff with crab meat is incredible, especially topped with a parmesan/alfredo style white sauce.

    Here's a quick/basic recipe (adjust for servings):

    12 large portobello mushrooms
    3 tablespoons butter
    3 tablespoons olive oil
    1 tablespoon lemon juice
    3 cloves garlic, smashed and minced
    black pepper

    PREPARATION:
    Wash mushrooms; remove stems and set mushrooms aside. Melt the butter, olive oil, lemon juice, garlic & pepper together in a small pot or on the grill. Halve largest mushrooms or cut in strips. Brush the mushrooms generously with the melted butter and olive oil mixture. On a covered grill over medium coals, grill the portobello mushrooms stem-side down for about 8 minutes. Turn and grill the tops of the portobello mushrooms for 6 to 8 minutes longer. The grilled portobello mushrooms should be tender and nicely browned.

    Portobello mushroom recipe serves 6.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Unless his guests don't really know what vegan means then shellfish - and any other animal product or byproduct - is off the menu.

    The term to be scared of is vegetarian because there are so many kinds. Personally, I'm Lacto-Ovo.
    Here's a table reproduced from Wikipedia
    Diet Name                   Meat (includes fish)    Eggs     Dairy     Honey
    Lacto-ovo vegetarianism     No                      Yes      Yes      Yes
    Lacto vegetarianism         No                       No       Yes       Yes
    Ovo vegetarianism           No                       Yes       No       Yes
    Veganism                    No                      No       No       No
    

    Sorry about the formatting, code tags don't seem to do what I think they do (i.e., use a true monospaced font).

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  • HooraydiationHooraydiation Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Don't forget to check the ingredients list for anything you buy like sauces and such, keeping an eye out for dairy products.

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  • oncelingonceling Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Here's a few tips, I unfortunately don't really do a lot of the BBQing myself in the household so I can't be too specific about seasonings:

    - Red/green/yellow peppers are very nice if you can give them some searing quickly (without them going soggy. My vegan friends love these.

    - Wrapping onion in foil with anything that's too bland can sweeten the deal.

    - I second the call for corn on the cob.

    - Lastly, BBQ baked/roasted potato. You can add the toppings later - soy cheese or margarine if you want and green onions. There is vegan "bacon" out there, but you'll have to see what personal taste the vegan attendees have.

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Could you have been less helpful? BBQ in the colloquial use means cooking over fire. Meat is hardly a requirement.

    Look into tofu. I love the stuff, even though I'm mostly carnivore. It's great, because firm tofu has (to me) a pleasing texture to chew, and it really soaks up the flavors of what your cook it with. I don't know if you can get actual tofu 'steaks' but if you can, just treat them like you would a regular steak. Sauce them up, grill them, and serve. I would highly suggest getting your hands on some tofu before hand and experimenting with cooking and recipes to find out what you like, and the best way to prepare it.

    Grilled corn on the cob is also delicious. Husk it, put it on the grill, and just before it's done, pull it off and baste with a watered down soy sauce/touch of butter mix, then put it back on for another few minutes. Absolutely delicious.

    I believe you'd have to leave out the butter for the corn. But yes, this is very tasty.

    You can throw together some veggie kebabs. Use mushrooms where you were normally use meat to get that filling, savoury flavour alongside the nice veggies.

    Vegan is no egg either right? So I don't know if you want to go and buy veggie burgers as they might use egg as a binding agent like they do for meat burgers.

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  • Omnicron9999Omnicron9999 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    There are tons of veggies that can be grilled up to be tasty. Eggplant, corn, large mushrooms, bell peppers, even some fruit is awesome for dessert. Pineapple is especially good. The cooking method varies, so look up specific methods for whatever menu you want to put together. I really reccomend grilled pineapple for dessert, maybe pair it with ice cream (depends on what kind of vegan/vegetarian).

    http://www.foodtv.com

    They are an excellent resource for recipies, my first stop any time I need to cook. They are very vegan friendly too, I believe there is a section just for that.

    Again, I second, or third, or whatever at this point, doing a practice run beforehand. It will let you finetune the cooking and seasoning. Also, it will give you more confidence while cooking. Believe me, if you want to impress a female, looking cool and confident while you cook is HOT to girls. I am pretty good in the kitchen, and there are times when I cook that my girlfriend practically pulls me away from the stove to give me head.

    Not kidding.


    As a side note, if you get the food network, it just so happens that Alton Brown's show "Good Eats" is featuring eggplant tonight at 7 pm eastern. He has a section there about grilling it. Good Eats is a fantastic cooking reference as a whole (as are his books for that matter, yes, I am an Alton Brown whore) it goes into the science of why a recipie works, without being complicated.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Underdog wrote: »
    I believe you'd have to leave out the butter for the corn. But yes, this is very tasty.

    Correct, but that's not much of an issue. Just let guests put butter on their corn if they want it.
    Underdog wrote:
    Vegan is no egg either right? So I don't know if you want to go and buy veggie burgers as they might use egg as a binding agent like they do for meat burgers.

    Yes, vegan is no egg, no dairy, no meat, and no honey. This is easily planned for by reading the ingredients on the package of veggie burgers.
    For example, these MorningStar Garden Veggie Patties do contain egg, but Garden Burger (despite having a crummy site) offer 4 varieties of veggie pattie that are vegan-friendly: Black Bean Chipotle, Flame Grilled, GardenVegan, and Veggie Medley. Their main site is here.

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  • crakecrake Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    jclast wrote: »
    Underdog wrote: »
    I believe you'd have to leave out the butter for the corn. But yes, this is very tasty.

    Correct, but that's not much of an issue. Just let guests put butter on their corn if they want it.


    soy-butter is non dairy, isn't it?

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    crake wrote: »
    jclast wrote: »
    Underdog wrote: »
    I believe you'd have to leave out the butter for the corn. But yes, this is very tasty.

    Correct, but that's not much of an issue. Just let guests put butter on their corn if they want it.


    soy-butter is non dairy, isn't it?

    As far as I know, but I'd still read the ingredients list to make sure.

    Watch out for gelatin as an ingredient. It's an animal byproduct that most people miss.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    NexusSix wrote: »
    I'm not sure how to do it myself but my mom used to marinate large portebello mushrooms in a bbq sauce then grill them. By the time they were done you could barely tell it wasn't just really soft meat. Delicious.

    This is the way to go, although we usually just do the olive oil route and toss them on the grill. Portebello tastes like tender meat and is a heavenly dish. Just run a google for some grill recipes.

    I'm guessing the answer to this question is yes, but I'll ask anyway: is shellfish totally off the menu as well? Portebello stuff with crab meat is incredible, especially topped with a parmesan/alfredo style white sauce.

    Here's a quick/basic recipe (adjust for servings):

    12 large portobello mushrooms
    3 tablespoons butter
    3 tablespoons olive oil
    1 tablespoon lemon juice
    3 cloves garlic, smashed and minced
    black pepper

    PREPARATION:
    Wash mushrooms; remove stems and set mushrooms aside. Melt the butter, olive oil, lemon juice, garlic & pepper together in a small pot or on the grill. Halve largest mushrooms or cut in strips. Brush the mushrooms generously with the melted butter and olive oil mixture. On a covered grill over medium coals, grill the portobello mushrooms stem-side down for about 8 minutes. Turn and grill the tops of the portobello mushrooms for 6 to 8 minutes longer. The grilled portobello mushrooms should be tender and nicely browned.

    Portobello mushroom recipe serves 6.

    you cna make great veggie kebabs out of that kinda recipe too.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    NexusSix wrote: »
    I'm not sure how to do it myself but my mom used to marinate large portebello mushrooms in a bbq sauce then grill them. By the time they were done you could barely tell it wasn't just really soft meat. Delicious.

    This is the way to go, although we usually just do the olive oil route and toss them on the grill. Portebello tastes like tender meat and is a heavenly dish. Just run a google for some grill recipes.

    I'm guessing the answer to this question is yes, but I'll ask anyway: is shellfish totally off the menu as well? Portebello stuff with crab meat is incredible, especially topped with a parmesan/alfredo style white sauce.

    Here's a quick/basic recipe (adjust for servings):

    12 large portobello mushrooms
    3 tablespoons butter
    3 tablespoons olive oil
    1 tablespoon lemon juice
    3 cloves garlic, smashed and minced
    black pepper

    PREPARATION:
    Wash mushrooms; remove stems and set mushrooms aside. Melt the butter, olive oil, lemon juice, garlic & pepper together in a small pot or on the grill. Halve largest mushrooms or cut in strips. Brush the mushrooms generously with the melted butter and olive oil mixture. On a covered grill over medium coals, grill the portobello mushrooms stem-side down for about 8 minutes. Turn and grill the tops of the portobello mushrooms for 6 to 8 minutes longer. The grilled portobello mushrooms should be tender and nicely browned.

    Portobello mushroom recipe serves 6.

    you cna make great veggie kebabs out of that kinda recipe too.

    Ah, finally read through the recipe. If you make this, sub out the butter for a non-dairy alternative. Vegans don't eat dairy.

    Some more things that people tend to miss (some obvious, some not; you'd be surprised what we veggies put up with):
    1.) Don't put cheese on the burgers. No dairy.
    2.) If you serve soup, don't use beef or chicken broth.
    3.) If you have yogurt available, check the ingredients for gelatin. Off the top of my head, YoCrunch is vegan safe, and it has mix-in granola to boot.
    4.) If you're serving salad, don't put the bacon bits in before-hand. They're a bitch to pick out. Ironically, Bacos are Lacto-ovo safe, but I'd check the label before using them.
    5.) Don't use the same spatula to flip and serve meat burger and veggie burgers. It doesn't seem like a big deal, but vegans (assuming they're not n00bs) lack the proper stomach enzymes to process meat. Even a little can make them ill.
    6.) Don't be offended if they ask what's in a dish. They're not being rude; they're just making sure they don't eat anything animal-related.

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  • blincolnblincoln Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    The Tofurkey sausages (particularly the beer brats) are great cooked over a fire, so I assume they would be good on a barbecue too.

    There are a *lot* of vegetarian sausages that I'd recommend (Boca's Italian ones are excellent), but I don't know offhand if they're vegan.

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  • Omnicron9999Omnicron9999 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I usually hate Emeril, but he is doing a grilling episode right now. He has some grilled pineapple rounds, with a nice glaze: Orange juice, brown sugar, a bit of lime juice, and a shot of brown rum*. Glaze as you cook, just get a bit of brown from the glaze, serve up. Tasty and vegan friendly.

    *The full recipie is on foodtv.com

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  • Omnicron9999Omnicron9999 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    If she really is vegan, this won't work.

    However if she eats ice cream, this is an ideal application. A self declaration of veganism doesn't really mean much, I know self-proclaimed "vegans" who eat fish, egss, or cheese.

    Some scoops of ice cream over the forementioned pineapple = heaven.



    Just find out her comfort level, and go with it.

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  • MidshipmanMidshipman Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Needs more potato, I only saw one mention for a veggie stuffed one.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    If she really is vegan, this won't work.

    However if she eats ice cream, this is an ideal application. A self declaration of veganism doesn't really mean much, I know self-proclaimed "vegans" who eat fish, egss, or cheese.

    Some scoops of ice cream over the forementioned pineapple = heaven.



    Just find out her comfort level, and go with it.

    They actually call themselves vegans? Because what they actually are is a lacto-ovo vegetarian who happens to eat fish.

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  • UnderdogUnderdog Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    Oh a banana split in half and then grilled for a bit is pretty awesome. I think I saw Bob Blumer make it, although he served his with ice cream and that might not be a go. Still, I'd assume it's good by itself.

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  • Omnicron9999Omnicron9999 Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    jclast wrote: »
    If she really is vegan, this won't work.

    However if she eats ice cream, this is an ideal application. A self declaration of veganism doesn't really mean much, I know self-proclaimed "vegans" who eat fish, egss, or cheese.

    Some scoops of ice cream over the forementioned pineapple = heaven.



    Just find out her comfort level, and go with it.

    They actually call themselves vegans? Because what they actually are is a lacto-ovo vegetarian who happens to eat fish.

    Very true, I know many people who claim to be some form of vegetarian while being very wrong in the process.

    I seriously knew a girl who claimed to be vegetarian.


    She would eat white meat occasionally..."Oh its not red meat though..."


    ITS FUCKING MEAT YOU MORON!


    Keeping on topic though, pototoes are fantastic. They can be grilled, and can be had on a skewer or whole.


    EDIT: I should also add that just because you are calling it a BBQ doesn't mean you cant cook other things there. You can cook any normal stovetop dish over a grill. Just bring the pot out and slap it on the grill. It might be more hot than a normal stove, but there is always indirect heat.

    Basically don't exclude normal vegetarian dishes that you know.

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited April 2007
    I found a very Panamerican kebab did with bell peppers, tomatoes, onions, plantains, and slightly unripe pineapple.

    There's a "smart bbq" line of meatless foods. They've got a pretty good one meant to resemble pulled pork.

    And when I'm grilling I'll do a foil package of button mushrooms, thin onion slices, and thin sliced potatoes.

    I've also had a great collard in barbeque sauce but I've never made it myself.

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