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Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire

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edited March 2018 in Games and Technology


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Pillars of Eternity is a fantasy isometric pausable real time party based RPG developed by Obsidian Software, makers of such fine games as the best Knights of the Old Republic game, the best recent Fallout game, the best Neverwinter Nights game, the best South Park game, and the best Fallout DLC. And Alpha Protocol. It aims to recapture the best parts of classic RPGs of the past, like Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, and Planescape: Torment.

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It's true. Pillars of Eternity is old school. Combat is tactical and pausing is encouraged (and probably required in tough fights). Use your party members effectively by synergizing spells and abilities and making other good decisions. Pore over deflection, damage reduction, and status effect statistics to devise the most effective strategies to take on a variety of enemies. Creep through ruins, detect traps, solve puzzles, read a lot of text.

But the game is not just a slavish recreation of the old sort of game. There are all sorts of quality of life improvements. Inventory management bullshit is entirely missing, unless you turn on the option to restrict stash access. A lot of fiddly mechanics and unintuitive things from D&D (THAC0, anyone?) is gone - the game has been designed from the ground up to work as a fun, well-balanced, tactically interesting computer RPG.

Interesting new mechanics, like engagement, which allows melee characters to tie up their opponents in combat, and a simplified way of handling hits and crits, help make the game fun, fresh, and challenging.

Non-combat skills for each character are handled separately from combat skills, meaning you don't need to cripple a character in combat to make them effective outside combat, and vice versa. Josh Sawyer, the lead designer, is all about making choices interesting and meaningful and providing options rather than punishing players or letting them easily fuck themselves over. All sorts of weapon loadouts are viable - instead of being better or worse, weapons differ in the sorts of damage they inflict, the speed at which they attack, and so on. Here's a chart about the weapons I stole from the Something Awful forums.

Every once in a while you get a sort of "choose your own adventure" sequence, which is a bunch of text with some pictures to look at. During these sequences you get to make various choices which often involve a skill check or something. These add flavor, story, and additional options to the game to break up the gameplay, which is otherwise a bunch of running around, talking, and fighting.

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Let's start with character creation. There are six attributes: Might, Constitution, Dexterity, Perception, Intellect, and Resolve. The interesting thing about these attributes is that they have the same effects on all sorts of characters, meaning that Might increases damage for everyone, not just characters who fight in melee or something. If you want your wizard to do lots of damage, give them more Might. Intellect increases the area of effect and the duration of abilities, so if you want your barbarian's yells to have a larger impact, give them more Intellect. And so on. This means there are many viable builds for many sorts of characters - you don't have to give your rogue a bunch of Dexterity or your barbarian a bunch of Might.

Melee engagement is another interesting mechanic. Melee characters "engage" enemies in their radius - most characters can engage one enemy, but fighters and others with special skills can engage more enemies. If you move away from someone you are engaged with, they get a free attack against you which has increased accuracy and damage. This means that you can use a fighter to tie up lots of enemies, keeping your spell casters safe, at least until you have to fight the bullshit teleporting ghost assholes.

Armor, much like the character attributes, works differently from other RPGs you may have played. Any class can wear any kind of armor and still be viable - the heavier the armor, the longer it takes a character to "recover" after they take an action. A wizard wearing heavy armor will take longer to recover after casting a spell, but their spells will be just as effective.

Attack resolution works in a fairly simple manner. Whenever you try to attack something, either with a weapon or a spell, you roll a number from 1 to 100, add it to your accuracy, and check that against the target's defense. There are four kinds of defense: Deflection, Fortitude, Reflex, and Psyche. Different attacks target different kinds of defenses - most weapons target deflection, many spells target fortitude or psyche, etc. Your roll + your accuracy minus the target's defense determines the result:

01-15 = Miss (your attack has no effect)
16-50 = Graze (-50% damage or duration)
51-100 = Hit (standard damage and duration)
101+ = Critical Hit (+50% damage or duration)

Some offensive skills convert misses to grazes, or grazes to hits, etc., whereas some defensive skills might convert crits to hits, hits to grazes, etc.

The damage an attack causes is then reduced by a character's Damage Reduction (DR) which is just a number that gets subtracted from the damage. Armor adds DR.

Characters have both Health and Endurance. Endurance is per-fight HP, so it recharges after each fight. If it reaches zero, the character is knocked out. Damage to endurance also damages health at 1/4 the rate. When health reaches zero, a character is maimed, which basically makes them useless until they rest, or killed, if they're already maimed or if you're playing on a harder difficulty.

Some abilities can be used per-encounter, others per-rest. Resting can be done in inns and can also be done by camping, which uses up camping supplies.

Therefore, resting is what resets certain spells/abilities and health, making these two things the larger, strategic resources you need to manage during a dungeon crawl.

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Welcome to Eora. The game takes place in the Eastern Reach, and specifically within Dyrwood and Eir Glanfath. The technology level is at approximately where we were in the 16th century: guns exist, but they can be slow and cumbersome and if you miss the wizard, chances are you'll have a lightning bolt in your chest before you can reload. Which happened quite a bit in the 16th century.

Everyone in this world has a soul. In addition to liking soul food, this means everyone's constantly being reincarnated after death and so on. Gods screw with stuff, some people have better souls than others, some people manipulate souls with weird soul magic known as animancy, some souls fragment on death and get reborn as multiple people, and who knows what else is happening. People in tune with their souls can harness amazing powers so watch out for that.

There is political intrigue, religious fanaticism, long-held grudges, optimism about the future, and dragons. It's a pretty well-realized world, all things considered.

Right now, though, things aren't going so good. There are a bunch of Hollowborn in the Dyrwood. Who are the Hollowborn? Find out by playing the game!

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There are six races you can play as in Pillars of Eternity. The various races have different sub-races, which means there are two kinds of elves, for instance: Pale Elves and Wood Elves. Sorry, that's not a lot of elves. But it's some elves.
  • Aumaua are aquatic-ish people. They've got webbed feet and probably give damp handshakes. They are big and strong.
  • Dwarves are short. Some of them live up north, in the cold.
  • Elves are cool. Josh Sawyer, lead designer, is an elf.
  • Orlans are like if an Ework fucked a Hobbit.
  • Okay I'm going to be honest with you, Godlike are the best race, objectively. I know that sounds super racist. I know I sound like a Nazi except replace white people with Godlike. But I'm serious. They have "God" in their name. There can be no argument about this. There is an objectively best race in this game. Anyone who doesn't roll a master race character is just setting themselves up to lose. In any case, there are five kinds of Godlikes (Nature, Death, Avian, Moon, Fire, but your PC can't be an Avian) and a Godlike can have parents of any race, so for instance you could be a Dwarf Death Godlike or an Elf Nature Godlike.
  • And finally who gives a shit about humans? I sure as fuck don't. A human is an inferior elf, basically by definition. Just measure the ears.

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There are 11 classes to pick from in this game. Like holy shit that's a lot.
  • Barbarians score low on standardized tests but high on drinking game scoreboards. They can sprint across the battlefield, yell at things, deal AoE melee damage, and take a beating but keep on eating.
  • Chanters are like magic cheerleaders. Chanters build songs up from a series of phrases and, when they chant their songs, magic shit happens, like skeletons. Even better, they can whistle while they work, so to speak: unlike fancy pants magic users like priests and wizards, a chanter can be doing any old shit and also chanting.
  • Ciphers attack enemies with their "soul whip" power, which reduces their weapon damage but debuffs the enemy a bit and more importantly generates Focus for the cipher, which lets them cast a bunch of cool spells.
  • Druids don't shower very much. They can turn into animals. If you're dating a druid and they turn into an animal in bed that's probably super awkward. Unless you're into that stuff. I'm not judging. I mean I guess it's pretty much the only chance you'll ever get to fuck a bear, right? Aside from being an animal they are also spellcasters with a wide variety of spells.
  • Fighters know how to fight. Kind of a filler class if you ask me. Fighters are the kind of people who you didn't know super well in high school and you look them up on Facebook ten years later and apparently nothing has happened in their entire life since then except they married another one of those people from high school. So you probably at least want to invite one to your party so they can kill a spiderman for you. And in the game. Fighters make very good tanks.
  • Monks get stronger the more damage they take. Through sheer soulpower they take wounds and turn them into special abilities. So, yeah, they're totally into masochism. They're good unarmed fighters so if you're a skinflint and you don't want to spring for weapons, maybe be a monk.
  • Paladins are fanatic devotees of a chosen cause. This single-minded focus gives them power, drive, and special abilities. This means that unlike other RPGs, they aren't automatically good people or anything. They're just really fanatical about something. Bleak Walker paladins are really fanatical about being assholes, and if your PC is a Bleak Walker you have to be an asshole all the time or you suffer penalties. Paladins get auras, like in Diablo II!
  • Priests serve one of the many gods and vary widely based on the god they worship. Priests of Magran sometimes carry around guns and were responsible for ending the Saint's War with the "Godhammer," basically a really huge bomb that blew up St. Waidwen and, uh, maybe killed a god. Don't get on their bad side. Priests are good at healing people, and buffing/debuffing large groups.
  • Rangers have high DPS and are great ranged fighters. They also have adorable animal companions. So I guess that's your other chance to fuck a bear. You can roll a party of six rangers and roll with six bears.
  • Rouges are makeups used to redden the cheeks so as to appear more youthful or as if you've been caught in a mild blizzard.
  • Rogues are rogueish characters who can sneak away and reappear at a crucial moment to deal some serious damage to a single target. They're not all thieves and if you thought that you're racist in the bad way (not in the "Godlike are the best race" way, AKA the good way). Rogues don't have to be stealthy - they are the DPS class, and focus on doing high amounts of damage to enemies afflicted by status effects.
  • Wizards are pretty dope. Magic is really cool! Wizards have all sorts of different spells, many of which can be extremely powerful. You can roll a melee wizard who goes around casting protective spells on themselves and hitting people with a magic book, or a support wizard who casts spells from the sidelines, and so on.

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Yeah it's like a castle. You can build some buildings and hire some guards and collect some taxes. It's alright. Here's the wiki about it.

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We Kickstarted this thing to the tune of almost four million dollars, making it the highest funded Kickstarter game ever for about 10 minutes until someone Kickstarted the next Torment game. Lame. One of the backer rewards was a chance to get one of your characters into the game - if you see a fancy person standing around with a yellow name above them, that's a backer character. You can kill them and take their stuff. Obsidian later brought Paradox on as a publisher to handle stuff like boxes for store copies and stuff, but this game is mostly a result of our cash!

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Font ligatures, motherfuckers! Big Heads! You won't see these in the option menu of something published by a traditional publisher.

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Pretty much the first main party member you can get is in Gilded Vale - he's the dude with the portrait standing near the big tree. You can't recruit him immediately but pretty soon you can, so don't miss him. He's cool.

To set a hotkey for an ability (like a spell) or anything like that, simply hover over the ability and press the button you would like to use as a hotkey for that character. The F1 through F4 keys are good ones to use for hotkeys.

For area of effect spells that hurt everyone, the red part of the AoE marker will attack everyone, but the yellow part will only hurt enemies. The yellow part is the additional range given by the character's Intelligence.

You have to be in Stealth mode to detect traps and hidden stuff, but detection is determined entirely by your Mechanics ability - your Stealth ability is irrelevant.

Rogues can "sneak attack" just by attacking in the first 2 seconds of combat, so don't feel like you have to be stealthed or anything to get a sneak attack. You can sneak attack with a gun just by shooting someone in the face. Sneak attacks also trigger on enemies that are affected by various status effects, which is the typical way to get a sneak attack. Again, these work fine with ranged weapons - blind an enemy, for instance, and you can sneak attack them in the face with a crossbow for a while.

Chanters can do whatever they want while they're chanting. The chants might not seem like they're amazing on their own, but remember, they're essentially free actions your chanter is taking 100% of the time.

Expert mode turns off AoE markers for spells and other abilities. Good luck with that one!

Wizards can swap grimoires during combat. Load up some books with various spells and swap them out based on what you're fighting! Or don't.

Higher difficulties increase the number of enemies and the types of enemies, but aside from Path of the Damned, they don't change the damage enemies do or anything like that.

You can rebind Tab from "hold down to highlight stuff" to "toggle to highlight stuff." Do that!

Right click and hold, then drag, to determine the direction your formation will face.

"HelmetVisibility False", in the console, does what you would expect it would do.

At Level 9, 1st Level spells for Wizards, Druids and Priests change from X per Rest to X per Encounter. The same happens to 2nd Level spells at Level 11.

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A rendition of the proposed "Squidtree" race by @BrocksMullet

And remember...
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No sleep for the Watcher...


and @surrealitycheck is daddy.

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  • C2BC2B SwitzerlandRegistered User regular
    Crossposting

    Theres going to be a kickstarted Pillars card game in conjunction with Christopher Taylor (the Fallout one) and Obsidians expansion will consist of two parts

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  • JutranjoJutranjo Registered User regular
    C2B wrote: »
    Crossposting

    Theres going to be a kickstarted Pillars card game in conjunction with Christopher Taylor (the Fallout one) and Obsidians expansion will consist of two parts

    Any hints about the expansion? Is it going to be the same story in 2 parts or something else?

  • DeaderinredDeaderinred Registered User regular
    that is a classy OP.

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  • RendRend Registered User regular
    Jutranjo wrote: »
    Rend wrote: »
    I am getting really tired of compromising with game breaking bugs, freezes, and crashes to play this game.]

    It is literally inches from me putting it away forever.

    Have you applied the GoG patch yet?

    @Jutranjo
    I'm on the latest steam patch, 1.0.3 or whatnot. Is there a newer gog one?

  • JutranjoJutranjo Registered User regular
    Rend wrote: »
    Jutranjo wrote: »
    Rend wrote: »
    I am getting really tired of compromising with game breaking bugs, freezes, and crashes to play this game.]

    It is literally inches from me putting it away forever.

    Have you applied the GoG patch yet?

    @Jutranjo
    I'm on the latest steam patch, 1.0.3 or whatnot. Is there a newer gog one?

    Oh, I thought you hadn't updated yet. I didn't think there were any other crashing bugs besides the Raedric's Hold one. Have you tried disabling Hamachi and similar network connections?

  • RendRend Registered User regular
    edited April 2015
    Jutranjo wrote: »
    Rend wrote: »
    Jutranjo wrote: »
    Rend wrote: »
    I am getting really tired of compromising with game breaking bugs, freezes, and crashes to play this game.]

    It is literally inches from me putting it away forever.

    Have you applied the GoG patch yet?

    Jutranjo
    I'm on the latest steam patch, 1.0.3 or whatnot. Is there a newer gog one?

    Oh, I thought you hadn't updated yet. I didn't think there were any other crashing bugs besides the Raedric's Hold one. Have you tried disabling Hamachi and similar network connections?

    No connections other than my normal LAN connection on this one- none running anyway.
    I posted before but I'm having trouble in the ruins below caed nua where I'm getting frequent display freezes while the game continues to run. So, the frame never updates, but I can hear the battle continue to rage on in my headphones. It never comes back and I end up needing to reload a save to get back to it. Problem is, the frequency is anywhere between three minutes and fifteen minutes, and that's completely unacceptable.

    It may be just the ruins below caed nua where this occurs but honestly regardless of whether that's the case or not, this is the second gamebreaking bug I've encountered (first was the raedric's hold bug) and if I can't find a quick and easy workaround soon I'm just not going to put up with it anymore.

    I'm generally really forgiving about bugs, but this is truly infuriating.

    Rend on
  • JutranjoJutranjo Registered User regular
    Have you tried reducing the game's graphic details or resolution? I've been looking for bugs to avoid since the game came out but I haven't seen what you're describing. It might be your PC. Or maybe Linux/Mac?

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    what is this extra key I found in the eothas temple for anyway

  • ArtereisArtereis Registered User regular
    I feel like the fight with the Master Below is really bringing out weaknesses in the combat system. It just doesn't feel like protracted battles work with the rules they've put in place. Nearly every attack it makes will one shot anyone who isn't Eder if it connects, which means pretty much everyone needs to be at range so that a tail whip doesn't connect. I also have really started to dislike how you cannot prepare for battles with protection spells.

  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    what is this extra key I found in the eothas temple for anyway
    The one on the first floor unlocks the bell door, and the one on the second floor unlocks the door that leads to where the corpses are.

    Most doors that are locked have a corresponding key. It's a pretty nice touch, that even most optional quests can be completed even if your mechanics is low.

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  • KingofMadCowsKingofMadCows Registered User regular
    Artereis wrote: »
    I feel like the fight with the Master Below is really bringing out weaknesses in the combat system. It just doesn't feel like protracted battles work with the rules they've put in place. Nearly every attack it makes will one shot anyone who isn't Eder if it connects, which means pretty much everyone needs to be at range so that a tail whip doesn't connect. I also have really started to dislike how you cannot prepare for battles with protection spells.

    There are foods/drugs with very long durations. There are also some potions.

  • RendRend Registered User regular
    Jutranjo wrote: »
    Have you tried reducing the game's graphic details or resolution? I've been looking for bugs to avoid since the game came out but I haven't seen what you're describing. It might be your PC. Or maybe Linux/Mac?

    My PC should outclass this game without question. I could reduce resolution but I am fairly certain lack of specs wouldn't be it.
    It could be "my PC" in that it's not playing nice with some software I have installed, but I'm not running anything abnormal, and I'm on windows 8.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    What specific issues are you having? If it's audio delays, lag upon loading, lag upon opening the inventory screen, and lag upon creating characters, you should disconnect from all wired internet sources and uninstall Hamachi.

    Not even kidding, there's a weird bug where the game will apparently send API data to various wired network connections, fail to get a response, and then wait 10 seconds to confirm no response.

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  • RendRend Registered User regular
    milski wrote: »
    What specific issues are you having? If it's audio delays, lag upon loading, lag upon opening the inventory screen, and lag upon creating characters, you should disconnect from all wired internet sources and uninstall Hamachi.

    Not even kidding, there's a weird bug where the game will apparently send API data to various wired network connections, fail to get a response, and then wait 10 seconds to confirm no response.

    I feel like I should just keep this in a notepad for me to quickly c/p
    The display frequently freezes while the other elements of the game go on anyway. I can hear, for instance, the battle continue, but the display is completely frozen. I hear the thump of the menu when I push escape, etc. This happens within 3-15 minutes of loading. The freeze is not lag, it is a total failure of the game's display.

  • surrealitychecksurrealitycheck lonely, but not unloved dreaming of faulty keys and latchesRegistered User regular
    i am enormously pleased by the ending of the first post top job tycho

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Jars wrote: »
    what is this extra key I found in the eothas temple for anyway
    The one on the first floor unlocks the bell door, and the one on the second floor unlocks the door that leads to where the corpses are.

    Most doors that are locked have a corresponding key. It's a pretty nice touch, that even most optional quests can be completed even if your mechanics is low.

    oh. I just solved the puzzle

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  • ScosglenScosglen Registered User regular
    edited April 2015
    I haven't beaten the Master yet, and I'm very near the end of the game, but it's been the only encounter in the entire campaign that's pretty much put me at a loss for how to overcome it. None of the tough battles in BG felt like this, there always seemed to be some precaution or key spell that you could employ to mitigate or pierce through their powers, but here it just seems like "you have to approach the fight in this one specific way or your whole team gets dunked with unmitigatable massive damage"

    Raedric was the only other memorably tough fight, but in that situation there seemed like tons of ways to approach it and figure out how to overcome it with any number of strategies. The Master fight seems much less full of possibility.

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  • FreiFrei A French Prometheus Unbound Registered User regular
    so I'm thinking of making like, a melee focused druid. do they have many buff spells or is that not really their wheelhouse? so far it seems like it's a lot of AoE damage stuff.

    Are you the magic man?
  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    they have virtually no buff spells. I'm not sure how you could possibly utilize them

  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Scosglen wrote: »
    I haven't beaten the Master yet, and I'm very near the end of the game, but it's been the only encounter in the entire campaign that's pretty much put me at a loss for how to overcome it. None of the tough battles in BG felt like this, there always seemed to be some precaution or key spell that you could employ to mitigate or pierce through their powers, but here it just seems like "you have to approach the fight in this one specific way or your whole team gets dunked with unmitigatable massive damage"

    Raedric was the only other memorably tough fight, but in that situation there seemed like tons of ways to approach it and figure out how to overcome it with any number of strategies. The Master fight seems much less full of possibility.

    Partially a consequence of their removing many of the buff spells in the game (or at least made them combat-only).

    Have you considered downing a lot of food and buff potions?

  • FreiFrei A French Prometheus Unbound Registered User regular
    WELL I GUESS I WONT I guess i'll just like cast maggots at people or whatever instead

    Are you the magic man?
  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    Frei wrote: »
    so I'm thinking of making like, a melee focused druid. do they have many buff spells or is that not really their wheelhouse? so far it seems like it's a lot of AoE damage stuff.

    It depends on what you want to do with him. My Hiravias is a melee druid, but he's using a quarterstaff (reach weapon) which keeps him out of the front line in general. With shapeshifting, druids can hit really hard for a short amount of time as well.

    Druid spells aren't going to buff your melee directly. The druid is still a primary caster, but playing one in melee works out great if you position them correctly.

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  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    their heals are an aoe from the druid, but the radius is so small they're still hard to use even in melee. they do have that.. fire sword spell..

    but yeah druids are nature mages. they do more damage than mages even, I think. lots of raw damage dots and big nuke+status effect spells. love the sound that earth pillar makes as it knocks everyone down

  • SqueezeSqueeze Registered User regular
    So I hit the point a few days ago where I was near the end after playing non-stop. I have barely touched the game since, and all I did at the time was go get a rematch with a sore loser. After losing that fight the first time treating it like another random encounter I came back and FIRED EVERYTHING! Sometimes OP spellcasters make me smile. Now I am at that awkward point where I am nursing ideas for my next protagonist, party composition, and afraid to touch the game. It's been a great ride, and I am afraid it is going to slip going for the dismount and break it's neck. Guys, I have commitment issues to endings. I don't want to get Biowared here. Someone tell me the ending is ok. Reassure me.

  • Casually HardcoreCasually Hardcore Once an Asshole. Trying to be better. Registered User regular
    edited April 2015
    So I made a black female paladin with a character portrait of a black female paladin. RPG of the year.

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited April 2015
    Jars wrote: »
    their heals are an aoe from the druid, but the radius is so small they're still hard to use even in melee. they do have that.. fire sword spell..

    but yeah druids are nature mages. they do more damage than mages even, I think. lots of raw damage dots and big nuke+status effect spells. love the sound that earth pillar makes as it knocks everyone down

    Yeah. I think druids are best played in melee with a reach weapon because of the way their heal spells work, and their option to shapeshift.
    Squeeze wrote: »
    So I hit the point a few days ago where I was near the end after playing non-stop. I have barely touched the game since, and all I did at the time was go get a rematch with a sore loser. After losing that fight the first time treating it like another random encounter I came back and FIRED EVERYTHING! Sometimes OP spellcasters make me smile. Now I am at that awkward point where I am nursing ideas for my next protagonist, party composition, and afraid to touch the game. It's been a great ride, and I am afraid it is going to slip going for the dismount and break it's neck. Guys, I have commitment issues to endings. I don't want to get Biowared here. Someone tell me the ending is ok. Reassure me.

    I was very satisfied with the ending.

    Derrick on
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  • ElvenshaeElvenshae Registered User regular
    People who turn off ligatures in the text ...

    Worst people ever, or worst people ever?

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  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Derrick wrote: »
    Yeah. I think druids are best played in melee with a reach weapon because of the way their heal spells work, and their option to shapeshift.
    Squeeze wrote: »
    So I hit the point a few days ago where I was near the end after playing non-stop. I have barely touched the game since, and all I did at the time was go get a rematch with a sore loser. After losing that fight the first time treating it like another random encounter I came back and FIRED EVERYTHING! Sometimes OP spellcasters make me smile. Now I am at that awkward point where I am nursing ideas for my next protagonist, party composition, and afraid to touch the game. It's been a great ride, and I am afraid it is going to slip going for the dismount and break it's neck. Guys, I have commitment issues to endings. I don't want to get Biowared here. Someone tell me the ending is ok. Reassure me.

    I was very satisfied with the ending.

    I'm getting very close to the end, I think, and I have to say, plot-wise, I wish a lot more of these elements had shown up earlier. I consider it a general problem with "epic" plots for starting adventures - there's a goal to get the player involved in an epic story involving ancients and gods and such, but they're only really capable of taking on rats and wolves. There's also a demand that the player be allowed to explore the world, to familiarize themselves with the setting, and do side-quests, due to a great desire to have open-ended/open-world games. Together, these combine to lead to a sort of aimlessness at the beginning of some of these plots. (I compare in my mind, for example, the aimlessness of BG1 and NWN, compared to the more directed plot of IWD, MotB and ToB...)

    Twin Elms spoilers:
    The visions with the gods, as cheesy as they are, I feel are exactly what I wanted earlier in the game to drive me forward. I get that they were trying to suspend the mystery, and make me "earn" the plot through various visions, and it'd be unreasonable to expect me to just commune with the gods at level 1, but I was seriously confused as to why I was doing everything. This whole, "Gotta find Thaos so he can fix me" pretext made no sense.

    On the flip-side, am I detecting time running out on some of these quest designs? These are the first major quests that seem to require me to just brute-force attack an entire faction to solve. I keep looking for another, if not peaceful then at least interactive, resolution, based on earlier experiences with this game, but can't find any.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    edited April 2015
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    People who turn off ligatures in the text ...

    Worst people ever, or worst people ever?

    The ligature connecting the "s" and "t" characters looks really silly. The letters don't obviously collide and so instead we get a sideways "c" attached to the top of both letters.

    It's also by far the most common ligature, while the ligature of "f" and "l" doesn't look very different from the default despite being one of the reasons ligatures are supposed to look better.

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  • TIFunkaliciousTIFunkalicious Kicking back in NebraskaRegistered User regular
    I don't think I can afford more than 1 playthrough because of my schedule and list of other games I want to get to. I have my sea legs playing through act 1 with a few different characters on normal but I'd like to have a mostly custom party (4-5) with Durance and maybe Mother. Also normal seems a bit easy even with the premade NPCs. Is POTD a satisfying difficulty bump or just frustrating?

  • ArtereisArtereis Registered User regular
    I finally beat the Master. That fight was not fun. I ended up using a bunch of Maelstrom scrolls and then when Aloth, Durance and Kana were the only ones left I dropped a wall of fire. The Master ended up walking back through it after killing Aloth and dying to the fire damage. Stupid.

  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    Ugh. Act 2 has to be completed before certain side quests will be able to complete (including companion quests). That kind of chafes my ass.

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  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    Just finished. Am... sorta pretty seriously still confused.
    I'm not totally understanding how the cosmology fits in with the main scheme here.

    So my understanding is, the Engwithans used those giant machines of theirs to sacrifice themselves to make these "gods". (Anybody else find it weird that there are 11 of them?) And then went about trying to spread their faith, with the full intent of dying out as a civilization after. Thaos, in particular, gets imbued with magical BS powers to live forever, so he can ensure the plan continues to work in preventing great evil (by committing his own great evils but whatevs). The gods agree to a pact of minimal interference in mortal affairs.

    At some point after that, Woedica gets too big for her britches, and the other gods kill (?) her off. Was Woedica original the Zeus of them all? Where/what is she now? In any event, Thaos, for whatever reason, aligns himself with her - their relationship is unclear - uses the machines to steal a lot of souls, and plans to send those souls to re-empower Woedica for some unknown reason. Eothas possibly figures this shit out, comes down to Redceras and tries to invade Dyrwood to stop it (?), and then Magram, for some reason, kills Eothas for it (?????).

    And then you come along, the gods tell you to stop Woedica, except Skane is actually working for Woedica. They're all like, Woedica's going to take over everything if you don't stop her, but we won't violate our pact to stop her, even though she's totally going to violate the pact if nobody stops her. But they're also complicit in the lie that's been perpetrated about their existence, and they send you down into the pit, where they presumably know (???) you'll run into Iothava who will tell you the truth.

    Does that seem right? Cuz if so, then questions:
    1. What the hell does Woedica actually have to do with anything? Is Thaos trying to preserve the Engwithan secret or trying to restore Woedica or both? And if both, what do the two have to with each other?
    2. Why the hell did Magram kill Eothas, if he's trying to stop Woedica, who she also wants to stop? Just to protect the Dyrwood?
    3. Or is it just because Eothas broke the pact? Which is still senseless, because they're all like, "We gotta obey the pact! Even if it means it will result in someone else breaking the pact and ruling over us!"
    4. Do these other gods not want to keep the natures of their existence secret?
    5. Do all the gods have these machines set up for them, or just Woedica? (Thaos says that Summer in Sun is a special shrine for Woedica?)
    6. Why now? Wodica's been AWOL for centuries. People have been pushing with animancy research for a long time. Is there some reason why this whole plot is being put into action now but not sooner? Thaos could've resurrected Woedica a long long time ago!

    I feel like I'm vaguely following each of the two plotlines independently well enough, but their sudden conjoinment at the end is just really strange to me.

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  • BubbyBubby Registered User regular
    Elvenshae wrote: »
    People who turn off ligatures in the text ...

    Worst people ever, or worst people ever?

    They look ridiculous.

  • milskimilski Poyo! Registered User regular
    Keeping them on for a while longer, the f-i ligature is neat and the f-l ligature is inoffensive, but I have no idea what benefit to readability the s-t ligature is supposed to serve. It's not like st is even a consistent sound for the pseudo-accent it gets over it.

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  • AlegisAlegis Impeckable Registered User regular
    Didn't jump in on the expansion kickstarter deal, because I was getting wary of kickstarters thanks to Wasteland 2. Kinda regret it now, because Pillars is awesome.

  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    Artereis wrote: »
    I feel like the fight with the Master Below is really bringing out weaknesses in the combat system. It just doesn't feel like protracted battles work with the rules they've put in place. Nearly every attack it makes will one shot anyone who isn't Eder if it connects, which means pretty much everyone needs to be at range so that a tail whip doesn't connect. I also have really started to dislike how you cannot prepare for battles with protection spells.

    The lack of pre-battle buffing is a good thing. It's not really interesting gameplay when it's practically required to get through battles, which is exactly how this stuff worked in BG1/2/IWD/etc. If you let people buff before battle, you then need to balance encounters around that expectation, or buffs will trivialize the encounters. In PoE, you must make buffing decisions in the middle of battle, and it's a trade off. Do you buff the party or try to weaken your foes?

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  • A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    My issue with fighting the Master honestly was having some random attacks slip through paralysis and knockdown. I'd have the mez up and be working on the next debuff and then everybody is just dead. After having that happen at two dots left I just cheesed it.

  • JutranjoJutranjo Registered User regular
    A steak! wrote: »
    My issue with fighting the Master honestly was having some random attacks slip through paralysis and knockdown. I'd have the mez up and be working on the next debuff and then everybody is just dead. After having that happen at two dots left I just cheesed it.

    I got through the game with my character a cipher with that paralyze/stuck AOE spell. Very often I tried to refresh paralysis on things when the tooltip said 1-2 sec left. The debuff got extended on the tooltip but the enemy was ignoring it. I had to let it expire first before I could paralyze again. Or is the master below even worse?

  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited April 2015
    It's nearly impossible to land any hits on the thing and when you do you'll probably do about 1 or 2 damage max. It's also nearly impossible to get any debuffs on it, as its lowest save is in the high nineties.

    It's a bullshit fight just because its stats are so ridiculously high.

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