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Last night I was a guest speaker during a PTA meeting at my son’s school. I spoke about video games, ratings and the importance of paying attention to what your kids are playing. I thought it went really well and I figured I’d break down my talk here in case anyone wanted to take some of my ideas and do something similar at their kid’s school.
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Last night I was a guest speaker during a PTA meeting at my son’s school. I spoke about video games, ratings and the importance of paying attention to what your kids are playing. I thought it went really well and I figured I’d break down my talk here in case anyone wanted to take some of my ideas and do something similar at their kid’s school.
Oh, ok. Thank you. I just don't read each and every news post, so I missed that one.
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No worries.
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This is pretty much the reaction any professional gets when they get into the technical specifics of what they do.
But I'd still like to see Gabe explain LoL to Little Jimmy's mom, particularly why little Jimmy has been saying, "STFU, newb, stand in the street" a lot lately.
This is pretty much the reaction any professional gets when they get into the technical specifics of what they do.
But I'd still like to see Gabe explain LoL to Little Jimmy's mom, particularly why little Jimmy has been saying, "STFU, newb, stand in the street" a lot lately.
Hey. As long as little Jimmy isn't disconnecting on people to go have dinner.
What I can't get over is despite having a few generations of people who grew up with video gaming there are people out there who don't get it. I led a pretty sheltered youth and was raised by the kind of parent's who buy a Macbook just to surf the internet with and who still call me to ask me how to log onto it, and even -they- understand how things like ESRB ratings work.
I wonder if when the current 20 year olds are the parent generation if they'll have that same horror stricken face over types of game modes or if these talks won't be needed.
- The Microsoft Nintendo
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I wonder if when the current 20 year olds are the parent generation if they'll have that same horror stricken face over types of game modes or if these talks won't be needed.
It will probably depend on how much the gaming changes over the years. I hope that concept of gaming as actual and respectable hobby will be widely accepted, but I won't expect most people to know what exactly this hobby is about.
@Zidders Not everyone has equal ability for grasping things they don't have much personal experience with. People watch movies and have an experiental context as to what PG-13 or R mean. The ESRB ratings are an entirely different set of symbols and they just see a sticker with a few words of explaination behind it, with no [console] gaming experience to contextualize. You'd have to at least do the job of connecting ESRB to equivalent movie ratings for these people, if you think that comparison is accurate in the first place. The ESRB can't present it that way or the ratings would use equivalent symbols.
Gabe's job here is to help a rather low common denominator, exacerbated even more when say the 80% of Gabe's speech parent A already knows does not overlap with the 80% parent B already knew. He has to cover all the bases.
My son is only 3 so I wonder what I'll have to talk about when he gets older.
I feel like all of Gabe and tycho posts are in my wheelhouse nowadays. I've been a different demographic than other content creators before, but damn if their whole body of work isn't exactly hitting the same plot points of my life
When they were young, so was I. When they were creating relationships, so was I. Now they are parents, and so am I. I wonder what the next milestone will be.
My son is only 3 so I wonder what I'll have to talk about when he gets older.
I feel like all of Gabe and tycho posts are in my wheelhouse nowadays. I've been a different demographic than other content creators before, but damn if their whole body of work isn't exactly hitting the same plot points of my life
When they were young, so was I. When they were creating relationships, so was I. Now they are parents, and so am I. I wonder what the next milestone will be.
Probably complaining about the so-called "music" youngsters these days listen to, and remembering the good old days when a single controller was good enough for all the games, insteada that confounded fancy new dual-wielded controller system that's bound to be invented soon.
Not to mention what the kids keep doing to your lawn.
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My son is only 3 so I wonder what I'll have to talk about when he gets older.
I feel like all of Gabe and Tycho posts are in my wheelhouse nowadays. I've been a different demographic than other content creators before, but damn if their whole body of work isn't exactly hitting the same plot points of my life
When they were young, so was I. When they were creating relationships, so was I. Now they are parents, and so am I. I wonder what the next milestone will be.
Probably complaining about the so-called "music" youngsters these days listen to, and remembering the good old days when a single controller was good enough for all the games, insteada that confounded fancy new dual-wielded controller system that's bound to be invented soon.
Not to mention what the kids keep doing to your lawn.
You mean the Wiimote+nunchuck or Playstation Move wands? Dual-wielding controllers already exist man.
I don't think our generation/demographic's social disconnect will be in gaming; it already has spread out over such a wide possibility space in genre, interface (Power Pad, Power Glove, Virtual Boy, DS, Wii, Touch Screens, Kinect, camera & cards, Skylanders, Oculus Rift), online-vs-offline, mmo, pay-to-play, free-to-play, mobile games, etc, that I don't think you could really shock or alienate us within that medium.
It'll be some newfangled thing we can't foresee that will have us howling "what about the children!" and gnashing our teeth over how it's going to destroy America.
My son is only 3 so I wonder what I'll have to talk about when he gets older.
I feel like all of Gabe and Tycho posts are in my wheelhouse nowadays. I've been a different demographic than other content creators before, but damn if their whole body of work isn't exactly hitting the same plot points of my life
When they were young, so was I. When they were creating relationships, so was I. Now they are parents, and so am I. I wonder what the next milestone will be.
Probably complaining about the so-called "music" youngsters these days listen to, and remembering the good old days when a single controller was good enough for all the games, insteada that confounded fancy new dual-wielded controller system that's bound to be invented soon.
Not to mention what the kids keep doing to your lawn.
You mean the Wiimote+nunchuck or Playstation Move wands? Dual-wielding controllers already exist man.
I don't think our generation/demographic's social disconnect will be in gaming; it already has spread out over such a wide possibility space in genre, interface (Power Pad, Power Glove, Virtual Boy, DS, Wii, Touch Screens, Kinect, camera & cards, Skylanders, Oculus Rift), online-vs-offline, mmo, pay-to-play, free-to-play, mobile games, etc, that I don't think you could really shock or alienate us within that medium.
It'll be some newfangled thing we can't foresee that will have us howling "what about the children!" and gnashing our teeth over how it's going to destroy America.
"Son, you're 14, you're not old enough for this game."
"God, dad, I can't get a holo-girl pregnant or catch an STD! And even if I could, I only play on Anal mode anyway!"
As an addendum to my earlier post I should probably point out what was one of the first things people started making for Oculus Rift when dev kits where shipped out? VR porn programs. Back when Sims Online was a thing, there was a teenage girl running a cyber-sex whorehouse and selling the in-game currency she made as the madam for real-world cash. And look at the freaky stuff that goes on in Second Life. That scenario you joked about has already happened (just like Jakk Frost's dual-wielding controllers example). There are porn flash-games with "anal mode."
But of course there's smut games, rule 34 and all that. Just about any kind of objectionable content has been made into a game, if not professionally then by amateurs. As I said, if you've been keeping up with the news of all the crazy shit that's been going on in gaming, I don't think anything that could be contextualized as a game should shock you at this point.
I'm telling you guys, it'll be something else; a whole new medium of creative endeavor, or some kind of social activity (remember the strip where Gabe discovered little Gabe was LARPing?), something like that. But it seems to happen to part of every generation, only sheer arrogance would let you think we'll escape it.
"Son, you're 14, you're not old enough for this game."
"God, dad, I can't get a holo-girl pregnant or catch an STD! And even if I could, I only play on Anal mode anyway!"
You jest with extremism, but the more tame core of this is exactly what causes parents to avoid any form of entertainment that other children are exposed to, whether it be games, music, or movies. For lack of a more PC way of saying it, one of my go-to arguments is that Speed Racer was rated PG but had the word "shit" in it (only once). If a parent is uptight in their standard of morals, they would be flippantly outraged if they took their kid to see that movie in theaters.
What I fear most is not external change, but internal change. I am currently the most easy-going and never-offended person there could be, but there will come an age (well into the future) where something (or multiple somethings) will bother or offend me, and somebody will likely view me as the uptight adult then. I don't give a shit about what others think of me, but for me to gradually become a hypocrite in old age is the thing that will be most disappointing.
In short, I fear going from being the person in panel 1&3 and growing old to the point of being the person in panel 2. It will happen to us all unless we die young, which I would honestly never wish on anybody.
You jest with extremism, but the more tame core of this is exactly what causes parents to avoid any form of entertainment that other children are exposed to, whether it be games, music, or movies. For lack of a more PC way of saying it, one of my go-to arguments is that Speed Racer was rated PG but had the word "shit" in it (only once). If a parent is uptight in their standard of morals, they would be flippantly outraged if they took their kid to see that movie in theaters.
The irony being that I'm 99% certain that single word was put in there specifically to get a PG rating, rather than G, which is considered to be the kiss of wholesome family-friendly death at the box office (by anyone making a movie not intended for five-year-olds and their parents).
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"Son, you're 14, you're not old enough for this game."
"God, dad, I can't get a holo-girl pregnant or catch an STD! And even if I could, I only play on Anal mode anyway!"
You jest with extremism, but the more tame core of this is exactly what causes parents to avoid any form of entertainment that other children are exposed to, whether it be games, music, or movies. For lack of a more PC way of saying it, one of my go-to arguments is that Speed Racer was rated PG but had the word "shit" in it (only once). If a parent is uptight in their standard of morals, they would be flippantly outraged if they took their kid to see that movie in theaters.
What I fear most is not external change, but internal change. I am currently the most easy-going and never-offended person there could be, but there will come an age (well into the future) where something (or multiple somethings) will bother or offend me, and somebody will likely view me as the uptight adult then. I don't give a shit about what others think of me, but for me to gradually become a hypocrite in old age is the thing that will be most disappointing.
In short, I fear going from being the person in panel 1&3 and growing old to the point of being the person in panel 2. It will happen to us all unless we die young, which I would honestly never wish on anybody.
I already am that way.
I don't have a smart phone so all these clever tele whatsits are all mumbo jumbo to me.
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(PSN: Morninglord) (Steam: Morninglord) (WiiU: Morninglord22) I like to record and toss up a lot of random gaming videos here.
"Son, you're 14, you're not old enough for this game."
"God, dad, I can't get a holo-girl pregnant or catch an STD! And even if I could, I only play on Anal mode anyway!"
You jest with extremism, but the more tame core of this is exactly what causes parents to avoid any form of entertainment that other children are exposed to, whether it be games, music, or movies. For lack of a more PC way of saying it, one of my go-to arguments is that Speed Racer was rated PG but had the word "shit" in it (only once). If a parent is uptight in their standard of morals, they would be flippantly outraged if they took their kid to see that movie in theaters.
What I fear most is not external change, but internal change. I am currently the most easy-going and never-offended person there could be, but there will come an age (well into the future) where something (or multiple somethings) will bother or offend me, and somebody will likely view me as the uptight adult then. I don't give a shit about what others think of me, but for me to gradually become a hypocrite in old age is the thing that will be most disappointing.
In short, I fear going from being the person in panel 1&3 and growing old to the point of being the person in panel 2. It will happen to us all unless we die young, which I would honestly never wish on anybody.
I already am that way.
I don't have a smart phone so all these clever tele whatsits are all mumbo jumbo to me.
But you're still in the realm of understanding what they are. It's like PC and Mac to me; I use a PC and can navigate the shit out of it, but put me in front of a Mac and I just about flip the table because the mouse doesn't have a left or right click feature.
Or likewise, for gamers, it would be as though someone was familiar with every gen of PlayStation and never played on an Xbox. They'd know the difference, but haven't necessarily dissected all of them.
We still have a shred of hope to hang onto! Just acquaint yourself with what's coming out and we'll still stay relatively in-the-loop!
But you're still in the realm of understanding what they are. It's like PC and Mac to me; I use a PC and can navigate the shit out of it, but put me in front of a Mac and I just about flip the table because the mouse doesn't have a left or right click feature.
Or likewise, for gamers, it would be as though someone was familiar with every gen of PlayStation and never played on an Xbox. They'd know the difference, but haven't necessarily dissected all of them.
We still have a shred of hope to hang onto! Just acquaint yourself with what's coming out and we'll still stay relatively in-the-loop!
Just an FYI, Macs have supported right-clicking mice for almost 2 decades, and all modern mac mice have some form of right click feature (the Magic Mouse can determine which side you are clicking on when pressing down, and track pads support a two-finger click as a right click)
You mean the Wiimote+nunchuck or Playstation Move wands? Dual-wielding controllers already exist man.
Not quite what I meant, but then it just goes to show it's already getting close to what I meant. I don't really know those controllers that well - hell my last owned console was a Sega, you know, the main competition for an NES, which I also had - but as I recall they have fairly limited functionality that only supports a few games. I was thinking more along the lines of 12-16 button controllers for each hand, with every button having it's own function.
And while you're probably right, the social disconnect won't be in gaming per se, it could potentially come in the interface, such as the handheld controllers I mentioned. I'm not sure if neural interfaces are possible within the next generation, but if they are, that could be another one.
But you're still in the realm of understanding what they are. It's like PC and Mac to me; I use a PC and can navigate the shit out of it, but put me in front of a Mac and I just about flip the table because the mouse doesn't have a left or right click feature.
Or likewise, for gamers, it would be as though someone was familiar with every gen of PlayStation and never played on an Xbox. They'd know the difference, but haven't necessarily dissected all of them.
We still have a shred of hope to hang onto! Just acquaint yourself with what's coming out and we'll still stay relatively in-the-loop!
Just an FYI, Macs have supported right-clicking mice for almost 2 decades, and all modern mac mice have some form of right click feature (the Magic Mouse can determine which side you are clicking on when pressing down, and track pads support a two-finger click as a right click)
Didn't know that feature was ever available. Every time I went to a friend's house that had a Mac, they just had a mouse with only one clicker. Please accept my apologies for my poor analogy. It's not that I dislike Mac, I've just never been in need of something that only a Mac could do that a PC couldn't.
In short, I fear going from being the person in panel 1&3 and growing old to the point of being the person in panel 2. It will happen to us all unless we die young, which I would honestly never wish on anybody.
Nah, not necessarily. There are plenty of older people now who aren't bugged by things that offend other people. Hell, one of the things I've noticed with my mother, mother in law, and grand mother in law specifically is each of them loosening up in older age.
While I don't doubt that some are genuinely offended by any fould language, I suspect a main cause for some parents behaving that way is just them trying to protect their kids from any negative influences more so than personal offence.
I'd like to see the introduction of how he was introduced. Why does this guy get to tell us about our kid's activities!?
Ain't he's a part of the PTA? If so, then other parents probably already know him.
Though the comic makes it look like this is the first time he's done this, he's been giving talks at his local school and PTA for a years now. I remember listening to a podcast a while back where he talked about going to a PTA meeting and talking about games before.
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http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/post/2015/04/08/i-spoke-at-our-pta-about-games
Oh, ok. Thank you. I just don't read each and every news post, so I missed that one.
But I'd still like to see Gabe explain LoL to Little Jimmy's mom, particularly why little Jimmy has been saying, "STFU, newb, stand in the street" a lot lately.
Hey. As long as little Jimmy isn't disconnecting on people to go have dinner.
- The Microsoft Nintendo
- The Nintendo Nintendo
- The Playstation Nintendo
And the computer (the Minecraft Nintendo)
I thought that it would get better now that I'm a Server Admin... Nope...
Gabe's job here is to help a rather low common denominator, exacerbated even more when say the 80% of Gabe's speech parent A already knows does not overlap with the 80% parent B already knew. He has to cover all the bases.
I feel like all of Gabe and tycho posts are in my wheelhouse nowadays. I've been a different demographic than other content creators before, but damn if their whole body of work isn't exactly hitting the same plot points of my life
When they were young, so was I. When they were creating relationships, so was I. Now they are parents, and so am I. I wonder what the next milestone will be.
Probably complaining about the so-called "music" youngsters these days listen to, and remembering the good old days when a single controller was good enough for all the games, insteada that confounded fancy new dual-wielded controller system that's bound to be invented soon.
Not to mention what the kids keep doing to your lawn.
You mean the Wiimote+nunchuck or Playstation Move wands? Dual-wielding controllers already exist man.
I don't think our generation/demographic's social disconnect will be in gaming; it already has spread out over such a wide possibility space in genre, interface (Power Pad, Power Glove, Virtual Boy, DS, Wii, Touch Screens, Kinect, camera & cards, Skylanders, Oculus Rift), online-vs-offline, mmo, pay-to-play, free-to-play, mobile games, etc, that I don't think you could really shock or alienate us within that medium.
It'll be some newfangled thing we can't foresee that will have us howling "what about the children!" and gnashing our teeth over how it's going to destroy America.
"Son, you're 14, you're not old enough for this game."
"God, dad, I can't get a holo-girl pregnant or catch an STD! And even if I could, I only play on Anal mode anyway!"
Ain't he's a part of the PTA? If so, then other parents probably already know him.
As an addendum to my earlier post I should probably point out what was one of the first things people started making for Oculus Rift when dev kits where shipped out? VR porn programs. Back when Sims Online was a thing, there was a teenage girl running a cyber-sex whorehouse and selling the in-game currency she made as the madam for real-world cash. And look at the freaky stuff that goes on in Second Life. That scenario you joked about has already happened (just like Jakk Frost's dual-wielding controllers example). There are porn flash-games with "anal mode."
But of course there's smut games, rule 34 and all that. Just about any kind of objectionable content has been made into a game, if not professionally then by amateurs. As I said, if you've been keeping up with the news of all the crazy shit that's been going on in gaming, I don't think anything that could be contextualized as a game should shock you at this point.
I'm telling you guys, it'll be something else; a whole new medium of creative endeavor, or some kind of social activity (remember the strip where Gabe discovered little Gabe was LARPing?), something like that. But it seems to happen to part of every generation, only sheer arrogance would let you think we'll escape it.
You jest with extremism, but the more tame core of this is exactly what causes parents to avoid any form of entertainment that other children are exposed to, whether it be games, music, or movies. For lack of a more PC way of saying it, one of my go-to arguments is that Speed Racer was rated PG but had the word "shit" in it (only once). If a parent is uptight in their standard of morals, they would be flippantly outraged if they took their kid to see that movie in theaters.
What I fear most is not external change, but internal change. I am currently the most easy-going and never-offended person there could be, but there will come an age (well into the future) where something (or multiple somethings) will bother or offend me, and somebody will likely view me as the uptight adult then. I don't give a shit about what others think of me, but for me to gradually become a hypocrite in old age is the thing that will be most disappointing.
In short, I fear going from being the person in panel 1&3 and growing old to the point of being the person in panel 2. It will happen to us all unless we die young, which I would honestly never wish on anybody.
Yelling at butts will never NOT be funny. Thanks, Psy!
Also, Abby is awesome. Keep up with TLH because it's the tits!
I love League of Legends, but seriously...screw you, Teemo.
The irony being that I'm 99% certain that single word was put in there specifically to get a PG rating, rather than G, which is considered to be the kiss of wholesome family-friendly death at the box office (by anyone making a movie not intended for five-year-olds and their parents).
I already am that way.
I don't have a smart phone so all these clever tele whatsits are all mumbo jumbo to me.
But you're still in the realm of understanding what they are. It's like PC and Mac to me; I use a PC and can navigate the shit out of it, but put me in front of a Mac and I just about flip the table because the mouse doesn't have a left or right click feature.
Or likewise, for gamers, it would be as though someone was familiar with every gen of PlayStation and never played on an Xbox. They'd know the difference, but haven't necessarily dissected all of them.
We still have a shred of hope to hang onto! Just acquaint yourself with what's coming out and we'll still stay relatively in-the-loop!
Yelling at butts will never NOT be funny. Thanks, Psy!
Also, Abby is awesome. Keep up with TLH because it's the tits!
I love League of Legends, but seriously...screw you, Teemo.
Just an FYI, Macs have supported right-clicking mice for almost 2 decades, and all modern mac mice have some form of right click feature (the Magic Mouse can determine which side you are clicking on when pressing down, and track pads support a two-finger click as a right click)
Not quite what I meant, but then it just goes to show it's already getting close to what I meant. I don't really know those controllers that well - hell my last owned console was a Sega, you know, the main competition for an NES, which I also had - but as I recall they have fairly limited functionality that only supports a few games. I was thinking more along the lines of 12-16 button controllers for each hand, with every button having it's own function.
And while you're probably right, the social disconnect won't be in gaming per se, it could potentially come in the interface, such as the handheld controllers I mentioned. I'm not sure if neural interfaces are possible within the next generation, but if they are, that could be another one.
Didn't know that feature was ever available. Every time I went to a friend's house that had a Mac, they just had a mouse with only one clicker. Please accept my apologies for my poor analogy. It's not that I dislike Mac, I've just never been in need of something that only a Mac could do that a PC couldn't.
Yelling at butts will never NOT be funny. Thanks, Psy!
Also, Abby is awesome. Keep up with TLH because it's the tits!
I love League of Legends, but seriously...screw you, Teemo.
Nah, not necessarily. There are plenty of older people now who aren't bugged by things that offend other people. Hell, one of the things I've noticed with my mother, mother in law, and grand mother in law specifically is each of them loosening up in older age.
While I don't doubt that some are genuinely offended by any fould language, I suspect a main cause for some parents behaving that way is just them trying to protect their kids from any negative influences more so than personal offence.
Though the comic makes it look like this is the first time he's done this, he's been giving talks at his local school and PTA for a years now. I remember listening to a podcast a while back where he talked about going to a PTA meeting and talking about games before.