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Mad Max: Fury Road [Spoilers will be Witnessed]

AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whateverRegistered User regular
This movie is spectacular in every sense of the word and you should go see it immediately, if not sooner. If you do not wish to be spoiled, this is the last sentence you should read. Adios.

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I expect most people came into this movie expecting a high-octane action smorgasbord, and in a way, they got it. However, this movie is a classic bait-and-switch, and as I sat there watching this starkly and pointedly anti-patriarchal condemnation of The World of Men™, I couldn't help but grin at the thought of all the dudebros and meatheads in theaters across the country twisting in their seats as it all unfolded; the fact that the pre-film trailers for my showing were for a bunch of bro-tastic schlock (oh, Vin Diesel, you walking Ed Hardy cartoon) just made it all that much sweeter.

Oh, man, though. Where to start? This movie is got so much going on, and it just slam dunks everything. Action? BAM!. Character? BLAM! Deeply symbolic narrative tying imagery to a greater throughline exploring the ingraining of misogyny through iconography and dogmatic ritual? GET DUNKT ON. And then it all explodes in an orgy of practical effects and red dirt.

Yes, the action is fantastic and novel and almost unceasing; in a two-hour run time, it felt like a good hour-forty was just one single chase scene, and that ain't bad. Director George Miller puts on a master class of dynamic characterization, defining characters through their actions and reactions instead just having bland cutouts talk about each other with adjectives. In a way I was very surprised to see, this film recalled to me THX-1138, and more specifically the way that George Lucas described his process in that film as not making a movie about the future, but making a movie from the future. Fury Road feels like a movie from the Wasteland. Maybe you know who Max Rockatansky is going into this film, maybe you don't, but either way it doesn't matter because this story is going to make you live in this world for 120 minutes up close and gritty-like without holding the scrap-metal prosthesis that used to be your hand. It's going to throw terms and slang at you and not give a dandy fuck if you aren't too good with context clues to put the pieces together. It's going to use symbolism time and time again to tell the story of how the ego of men continues to destroy all things in the mad pursuit of vanity and greed, and if you don't like the story that tells then the story suggests you may be part of the problem.

Let's talk about that symbolism, shall we? Everything on-screen is information, not a shot wasted, and it shows a world tyrannically ruled by the vile Immortan Joe and his family -- his muscle-bound meathead son, Rictus Erectus, and his brothers Bullet Farmer (the avatar of the military/industrial complex) and People Eater (the avatar of aristocratic sloth and decadence) -- while Joe himself, in his medal-adorned false muscle suit and death's-head codpiece, is the distilled essence of aging machismo. This isn't so much a world built of rules and consequence, but rather a broad impressionistic satire of the gender codes of our own world; Joe and his family prize above all the masculine ideal, strength and power and the ability to harm, and everything else is either a means to that end or an obstacle to it. Women in Joe's kingdom have but two roles within his castle walls -- sexual object or mother -- and it's brilliant how Miller points out the masculine dissonance that wants to believe that those two are separate and exclusive states. Joe keeps a harem of nubile teenage slaves to slake his lust, but the product of these unions are given to Milk Mothers, wet nurses who perform the actual duties of motherhood (and also provide Joe's family with the only real nourishment they have), so that the girls may be returned to their coital duties. And then his girls, his "property" are stolen, setting the whole movie into motion, and only once does someone in Joe's clan remark upon the wastefulness of sending an entire army to war over a personal affront. And Joe's army puts the "waste" in wasteland, as we are constantly reminded how rare resources are in this world the whole while the armada of cars and trucks and guns and flame-throwers barrel across the scorched desert for no discernible gain.

Every concern with Joe and his revhead Warboys is about the immediate, and he keeps them in line with his cult built on reincarnation, martyrdom, and above all, service to Immortan Joe himself. Nicholas Holt plays Nux, the Warboy who begins to question his place in Joe's world, and through him we see the mindless adherence instilled into this flock by elevating the mundane to the sacred and surrounding it with ritual. Joe's cannon-fodder army of fallout-stricken idiots don't just catch bullets for him, they "go to Valhalla" to be with the heroes, and their martyrdom is "witnessed" by group genuflection and a bizarre rite in which the mouths of the soon-to-be-deceased are sprayed with chrome, just another elevation of trappings of Joe's maniacal church, where death is the altar and gears and gasoline are the stations of the cross. Even their tattoos and brandings are of gears and engine schematics.

An interesting thing I noticed was how Miller treats the violence in this film; it's not something that I would say is overtly glorified. It seems like there are probably two dozen spectacular wrecks in this film, but I can't recall a single one filmed in the typical slow-motion, god-camera pornographic coverage that ensures you don't miss any part of the mayhem which is the standard today in most empty-headed cinematic explosionfests. Miller, for a film that is most violent, does not for one minute revere any of this violence. We get no lingering money shots of aftermath, no reveling in the bloody destruction of the many bodies in the wake, no emotional death scenes to find glory in, no retaliatory brutal end for our baddies. Miller kills people left and right in this film, sometimes severely so, but he seems to share the sentiment of his badass elderly lady marksman/motorcycle bandit, who longs for a day when being good at killing people wasn't a necessary skill. Even the painfully grim death of key villain Immortan Joe is quick and pulled away from, the most confirmation we get of it is the proclamation of another character. Miller ingeniously understands what Zack Snyder failed to with Sucker Punch: you can't condemn objectification at the same time you're guilty of it.

The cast is really well put together, and this is definitely Charlize Theron's film, and she carries the hell out of it. If Marvel has any sense, they're sending her the contract for Captain Marvel right now, because this is the best heroine performance since Ellen Ripley. It's hard, it's nuanced, it's brazen and raw, and Theron shines in every scene she's in. I'm having trouble articulating just how impressive this performance is for prominently having Furiosa's humanity and femininity to shine through while never copping to hoary tropes or making her simply a dude with tits; the history of cinema is littered with women put in the same boxes that Immortan Joe separates his possessions into, mothers and sex objects, and Furiosa in simply refusing to be placed on any part in the scale of objectification becomes an iconoclast. Her most dangerous act of rebellion is making people realize they don't have to fit in someone else's box.




I could probably go on and on, but I'll rest here for now. I look forward to everyone seeing this. It's really something special.

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    SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    Fuck. That was a great review and I am now super double pumped to see this.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    The MRA shitwizard whinefest just made me more interested in seeing this.

    Which I did earlier today. And oh boy, this is a real riot of sound and color.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    God I hope they're making some RC toys for this movie. I'd kill for a Bullet Farmer toy with self launching missiles.

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    SpawnbrokerSpawnbroker Registered User regular
    I wish I had one of those devices from Men In Black, so I could lobotomize myself and go see this again fresh.

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    GaddezGaddez Registered User regular
    This movie is amazing.

    One of the girls at work was asking me what it was about and I answered honestly "women".

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    Mongrel IdiotMongrel Idiot Registered User regular
    Oh, what a review; what a lovely review!

    Do we need spoiler tags in here? I'll throw one on, just to be friendly-like.
    One thing that struck me was how childlike Nux was. He's got what he was taught to do among the War Boys, and he tries, just, SO HARD to be good at it, but then he fails and Joe dismisses him ("MEDIOCRE!"). The bit where he puts his head in one of the wives' laps (I had a hard time catching their names and matching them up to faces, other than Splendid) was pretty much just a scared, sad child looking for a mother to tuck him in.

    Without detracting from Furiosa, who was amazing, I never felt like Max was particularly outshone or anything; he had more than enough badass moments, and felt pretty real to me. I liked how he seemed aware of his own, maybe not insanity but certainly instability. At the end, when he shares a look with Furiosa before wandering off into the wastes again, it seemed like he knew there was nothing for him in building up a civilization, and that, in fact, a person like him would be more a problem for it than an asset. Shades of the Operative from Serenity mentioning how he won't have any place in the world he's trying to build. Ties in, too, to the bit when they meet the Vulvalini and one immediately asks "who are the men?" For the women in the wastes, even allied fellows like Nux and Max aren't trustworthy.

    I mentioned the scene with Max threatening Furiosa and the wives with the shotgun was fantastic: so many layers of menace and knowledge all playing off one another to just ratchet up the tension. Max has to worry about the women seeing through his ruse or pulling a fast one on him; the women have to worry about Max going off and shooting somebody; both groups have to wonder what will happen if and when Nux wakes up; and all of it takes place with the dust cloud from Joe's horde in the background. It wasn't the flashiest sequence in the movie, but I thought it was one of the most artfully handled.

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    madparrotmadparrot Registered User regular
    There was one slo-mo crash that I can recall, which unsurprisingly was also the most important one in the film:
    (tagged anyway for being a mega-spoiler)
    When Nux crashes the war-rig, giving his life for the others

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    VeagleVeagle Registered User regular
    This movie was so amazingly good. It's easily the best film I've seen in theaters, and probably the first time in over a decade that I've really felt I need to buy a copy of movie. I don't even know how to describe how I feel about it. I've spent an entire day now, just kind of in shock trying to process everything about this movie. I've also been watching the reviews come in on rotten tomatoes, and seeing it climb up their list of best movies ever. My original hope was that it would get up to the 80's on their top 100 list, somewhere around Aliens and Terminator. It's blown past that and is currently ranked number 24, just a bit higher than Godfather II and the Maltese Falcon!

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Yeah I can't wait to watch it at home so I can catch all the subtle things you miss in a theater.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    CaptainNemoCaptainNemo Registered User regular
    Honestly i feel like Max and Furiosa each dominated the film equally. I loved h9w they played up how mad Max was. Also, movie passes the Bechdel Test and Mako Mori Test

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    EnigmedicEnigmedic Registered User regular
    madparrot wrote: »
    There was one slo-mo crash that I can recall, which unsurprisingly was also the most important one in the film:
    (tagged anyway for being a mega-spoiler)
    When Nux crashes the war-rig, giving his life for the others
    If any part of the movie pulled at any heartstrings or anything, that was it. The red head shows some compassion and he sort of changes when he comes to a realization that there could be more to life than dying in battle. In the end he knows he's fucked but decides to die for someone else, and she witnesses him. By the end I was kind of rooting for Nux, so when he goes up in flames it was just kinda like aww.

    Overall it was a very good movie but certainly not in a traditional way. Like there was so much content but not much substance on the surface. But at the same time could be picked apart for deeper meaning. When me and my wife were leaving the theater talking about it we were both like "well that was something" but as we talked more we decided that there was actually quite a bit going on there. I guess any movie that can spark conversation has more to it than any other generic forgettable movie.

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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    outside the theater yesterday:
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    note that it was 12c or around 53f outside.

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    Mongrel IdiotMongrel Idiot Registered User regular
    Did anybody catch what language the raiders in the spikey cars were speaking? It only happened once, and the subtitle was something like "What do these war boys think they're doing in our region?" but I didn't get any idea of what language it was. I guess an Australian aboriginal language would make sense. Could just be some sort of obscure wasteland jargon, too.

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    Professor PhobosProfessor Phobos Registered User regular
    It was Russian.

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    Mongrel IdiotMongrel Idiot Registered User regular
    It was Russian.
    Really? Cool: Thanks!

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    53f is not some horrible freezing temp, people in washington go shirtless in that all the time.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    reminder: this is a spoilers thread, so no need to hide stuff

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    None spoilers, I want to say this is one of the best gender equality action movie since Aliens. Probably one of the only gender equality action movies since aliens sadly.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    Preacher wrote: »
    None spoilers, I want to say this is one of the best gender equality action movie since Aliens. Probably one of the only gender equality action movies since aliens sadly.

    Honestly, I got more interested in seeing it after hearing about those sweet, sweet MRA shitwizard tears.

    And now I want Charlize Theron in more action roles.

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    DeaderinredDeaderinred Registered User regular
    edited May 2015
    UFFF check this out, 18 mins of genius in action.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9kK-CbqH0k


    also let me shout out my man THE DOOF WARRIOR AND HIS DOOF WAGON.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4q8k01f8MA

    this fucking soundtrack. i dont know how im going to sleep tonight knowing im seeing it again tomorrow.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Echo wrote: »
    Preacher wrote: »
    None spoilers, I want to say this is one of the best gender equality action movie since Aliens. Probably one of the only gender equality action movies since aliens sadly.

    Honestly, I got more interested in seeing it after hearing about those sweet, sweet MRA shitwizard tears.

    And now I want Charlize Theron in more action roles.

    Yeah I said before if her agent isn't out there trying to get her new action movie roles then he's a fool! Well if this movie makes money that is.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Mad Max: Fury Road, aka Cars get 200 Miles to the Gallon, it's a great film. But it's not a 9/10. It's a solid 8,8.5/10, definitely watch again, as long as I can skip over one part of the movie that is the movie equivalent of The Fade from Dragon Age Origins.

    I will say right away, while Atomika is spot-on right about how the movie plays well and never shows something the film doesn't pay off, it's not some outright anti-patriarchy device. It's more about finding hope in hopelessness, and good vs evil. And you can achieve that very well with innocent "wives" as the plot device and a man who has lost everything and thinks he's gone crazy but is in fact planting seeds of normalcy everywhere he goes, and runs across a similar themed person. To be honest, it kind of feels like people are trying to latch onto this being some ground changing subversion of the action genre when it's just a great movie, no qualifiers or reasons why it is so. This constant need to pick things and claim it's on a certain side based on x, y, and z is no different than what was witnessed in the movie (beer me five that guilt trip is better than anything Rogen and Streisand could have done).

    The story is bare bones, yet is able to create a world that works well with the established movies and really makes sense for a post apocalyptic world. The film makes sure you see why things are like this, what happens and what for (like the paint huffing, it's a WTF turned ohhhhh moment), and Max's sole reason for being there, being alive, is nice and subtle. It's a simple rescue film that turns into a chase and ultimately a final showdown, but that's all that is needed when the theme of the movie is just move forward, no matter what.

    Tom Hardy does a great job, the idea of making Max so exposed to the elements he's now almost grunting and can't really give long sentences because his voice is almost shot works well, even though he does a good Australian accent. Theron is very good as well and definitely upped her Captain Marvel potential, and while she does get some moments of one upsmanship on Max that more than likely got the ire of people, it's more because the film sometimes refuses to show how bad ass Max can be. How they initially meet and join up could have been fleshed out better, it's essentially a forced fight like when comic heroes have to team up, when literally a few words would make things go a lot easier. But it still feels like Max's movie, his journey to make things right, even though he's adapted to the world better than anyone, really (one of the best character scenes is him figuring out where every weapon is on the truck).

    The girls, all of them, eh, they're a mixed bag, half of them are annoying cliches while the tall blonde and redhead are the best, especially the redhead. They're blank slates in the world yet are able to do all this stuff that just wouldn't be possible compared to how Max and Furiousa had to claw for survival, and they're not as witty or as clever as they think they are. And there are a few moments of symbolism there that's just sort of eye rolling, more because I'm not going to take the girl from Transformers 3 seriously. Throw in a Wasikowska or some other seasoned young actress if you want the moments to really shine and stand out. Nux finally achieves not being absolutely annoying as the film goes on (though when he doesn't die after the first act it gets a little frustrating because plot is keeping him alive and telegraphing what will happen), and Immortan Joe conveys that dictator so well, though we never see his face, just his eyes. His entire appearance is built on hiding decay yet still remaining imposing, which he does well.

    There are only three problems I have with the movie, and go small/medium/large in that order. One is the guitar guy, it's something that's cute once to get the story going, but got pointless after a while when you stand back and compare it to everything else in that world and the resources needed. The other is a severe, severe lack of Max's car, something the movie teases then flips you off with in the third act.

    The final, more major point is where the story hits the breaks, feeling like a ripoff of a Top Gear Special minus the funny or character building.
    the dried up greenzone/marsh, the night time basically, the slogging through the mud, nothing is really accomplished here, and nothing the next scene in the movie doesn't automatically make more apparent. And that the movie basically makes Max go off screen to kick ass with a gallon of gas and two grenades while the movie continues to focus on dragging the semi out of the mud, I don't know what to think about that. This is where the oneupsmanship could have been easily balanced out, not in any gender sense but simply because Max is awesome and needs his own moment: Theron gets the better sniper moment that blinds the bullettown guy, and then Max finishes him off by walking out to confront him while the engine needs to cool. Show that, especially if you lead it into the reveal that ladyworld is now nothing and then cue up the cliched fall to knees in despair moment.

    Instead it's a forced lull into a reveal you knew was coming (though just turning around and trying to take back the Citadel was a nice enough change I didn't expect)

    It was a pretty good 3D experience, if you're interested in it. There's one part in the film that panders to it, but it's never in your face and works well more when it comes to flashbacks and perspective changes.


    It's a great movie and a solid reboot of the franchise, but I put Road Warrior still at the top spot. No movie can compete with the action and choreography here, it's the best visceral stuff you'll see all year, it's a more refined version of the car chaos in Furious 7 and flat out curbstomps Avengers 2, but this movie basically goes apeshit for 80 minutes then hits the breaks for no good reason other than a fairly standard reveal and forced emotional moment, and then hits the throttle again. Like in real traffic you're basically cussing and pissed off you had to stop and no matter how fast you can get going again that annoyance of having to stop for someone, something so stupid stays with you for a bit. Road Warrior is a much slower movie simply out of the restraints of the time but because it's focused more on Max's journey and interaction, it works better.

    But watch it, enjoy it, don't make this movie turn out to be this year's Edge of Tomorrow.

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    DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited May 2015
    My only concern is that this documentary about life in Australia might negatively affect their tourism industry.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    My only concern is that this documentary about life in Australia might affect their tourism industry.

    To me it felt decidedly less Australian than the other movies.

    It was nice Theron spoke normal God chosen American english, but this Australia also was a world where everyone was left hand driving vehicles.

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    DeaderinredDeaderinred Registered User regular
    the green zone was awesome texiken! those stilt riding crows were creepy as shit, i spent the rest of the movie expecting them to turn up on rocket powered stilt rollerblades, at this point nothing was impossible.

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    DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    the green zone was awesome texiken! those stilt riding crows were creepy as shit, i spent the rest of the movie expecting them to turn up on rocket powered stilt rollerblades, at this point nothing was impossible.

    I wanted to know when they hit the portal to the Dark Crystal universe.

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    SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Just got back from this and man that was a ride. Definitely incredibly fun and well done flick. Everyone else here seems to have longer stuff than I do.
    That intro and the jittery camera are so good. I don't know the right word for the camera, it's not shaky and it's very clear the entire time, but the staccato kind of way they did it is great. I'm mildly deaf in one ear and some of the dialogue was difficult to make out, but nothing that mattered. For instance, other than Max and Furiosa, I have no idea who any of the other characters are named. Joe? Maybe?

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    The camera was speeding up things like Max trying to escape, filing his mask off, it looked like they were doing a 3x speed thing.

    The dialogue was hard to hear in the beginning for me as well, with no hearing impairments. You have Joe yelling about what's happening and the crowd and then on top of the engines and music it was hard to understand anything. Even when Max was chained to the car he was yelling but you couldn't hear him well.

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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    I loved the bit where Max goes back to take out the Bulletfarmers, and felt it was more powerful not seeing exactly what happened.

    It seems a bit like a bookend to the earlier scene, where Furiosa asks if he saw what happened to Splendid, and he gives her the minimum amount of necessary information.

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    I do wish the wives had a little more characterization. There's pregnant girl, the redhead(the best), the nutty blond girl who picks up the seed bag, shorthair, and the one who keeps trying to go back to Joe.

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
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    knitdanknitdan In ur base Killin ur guysRegistered User regular
    Oh and another nice touch that probably took a whole day to do but they were only in the film for 20 seconds was the stilt people.

    “I was quick when I came in here, I’m twice as quick now”
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    DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    the only bit of important muffled dialogue was "hey that's my car!".

    Also, they managed to work in a Conan moment with the
    ghost saving his life

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    DeaderinredDeaderinred Registered User regular
    redhead is the granddaughter of Elvis Presley.

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    SpaffySpaffy Fuck the Zero Registered User regular
    I'm avoiding most spoilers but I need to know and therefore give you permission to spoil
    Why are there electric guitar flame throwers? Because that's rad, but potentially silly.

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    AtomikaAtomika Live fast and get fucked or whatever Registered User regular
    Spaffy wrote: »
    I'm avoiding most spoilers but I need to know and therefore give you permission to spoil
    Why are there electric guitar flame throwers? Because that's rad, but potentially silly.

    Because militaries love the bullshit of pageantry
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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    I really liked the parts where, as the camera moved close to the drummers/crazy guitar guy, they were actually playing the soundtrack.

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    DeaderinredDeaderinred Registered User regular
    Spaffy wrote: »
    I'm avoiding most spoilers but I need to know and therefore give you permission to spoil
    Why are there electric guitar flame throwers? Because that's rad, but potentially silly.

    it's the marching drummers for the armies of medieval times used to boost moral and instil fear into enemies.

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    DeaderinredDeaderinred Registered User regular
    also that guy is called THE DOOF WARRIOR.

    its buzzfeed i know, but heres some info about the dude who played him, called iOTA. http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/the-doof-warrior-max-max-fury-road#.sq14p0Bmw

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    RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I witnessed this and give it a Chrome/Shine.

    One minor point I really appreciated: After the capture and the breakaway and the ghosts and the moving away from Gastown and the chase scene and the WITNESS and the epic sandstorm, the movie just stops. Cut to black and complete silence for a few seconds, before the slow scene of Max emerging from the sand and eventually meeting the Wives. In more traditional movies the rising action follows a slope before it slides back a little to give you breathing room. Since this movie's rising action is almost vertical, it requires a much sharper drop off in action, as if to say "Yeah, we know this is more intense than you expect, let's take five."

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    AlphaRomeroAlphaRomero Registered User regular
    If loving a mutant flame-throwing-guitar playing monster is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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