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[The Witcher Thread] HEARTS OF STONE xp out 13/10/15. Comes with 2 physical gwent decks

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  • QuiotuQuiotu Registered User regular
    I think the odd part about the Witcher games is that there's a choice at all. Geralt gets around, but his story along with his actual romances is pretty canon. Being able to choose between Yennifer and Triss just goes against Geralt's character.

    And yeah, that means I think a lot of the other large decisions shouldn't have been a choice. Geralt is a very unique personality with a LOT of background to him. His choices should match that, and shouldn't be about what we want to see. I love the games, but I do think CDPR dropped the ball with adding so much choice.

    If they had just been okay with telling a specific story with Geralt and leaving the choices with just the side items and quests and optional stuff, the story would've been even MORE amazing. And it was pretty fucking amazing as is.

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  • Dr. ChaosDr. Chaos Post nuclear nuisance Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    Dracomicron, you probably like Betty more than Veronica too, don't you?

    Confess, you monster!

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Quiotu wrote: »
    I think the odd part about the Witcher games is that there's a choice at all. Geralt gets around, but his story along with his actual romances is pretty canon. Being able to choose between Yennifer and Triss just goes against Geralt's character.

    And yeah, that means I think a lot of the other large decisions shouldn't have been a choice. Geralt is a very unique personality with a LOT of background to him. His choices should match that, and shouldn't be about what we want to see. I love the games, but I do think CDPR dropped the ball with adding so much choice.

    If they had just been okay with telling a specific story with Geralt and leaving the choices with just the side items and quests and optional stuff, the story would've been even MORE amazing. And it was pretty fucking amazing as is.

    No offense, but screw that. :twisted: Give me all the choices. There are plenty of games out there on rails; I've always liked the ones with alternate endings. W3 ending
    Having my utter contempt for the Emperor pay off with Ciri choosing to fake her own death and be a humble witcher of her own free will was the most satisfying thing that's happened in a game for me in a long, long time.
    Dr. Chaos wrote: »
    Dracomicron, you probably like Betty more than Veronica too, don't you?

    Confess, you monster!

    I'm about Betty/Veronica, together (no Archie, he's with Jughead). If that makes me a monster, then rawr, baby.

    That said, Triss/Yennifer would be fucking terrifying and any Geralt that angles for that particular triforce is an idiot.

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    Yen, much like Geralt, gives a shit almost exclusively about Ciri, it's just that she's not saddled with player quests that get in the way of that one goal.

    Books:
    Triss has always been cause-minded. It's why she betrayed Ciri to the lodge when Ciri was a child; she believed in the lodge.

    Geralt is not cause-minded, he is family-minded. He thought Yennefer had betrayed Ciri because he didn't know Triss even had the information, and he was preparing himself to kill Yen because he was under the impression she had gotten Ciri killed. When he heard she might be alive, he was fully prepared to torture a guy to get information on another guy who might have a lead on where Ciri was; when a witch told him to step aside and let her handle things, he did, knowing that it would probably break the guy's mind and not caring.

    Yen is actually softer than Geralt is, in most ways. In spite of everything she breaks and is willing to destroy to get her daughter back, her risks are more calculated than Geralt's ever are; it's why what happened on Skellige didn't end up mattering too much to Geralt or Yen.
    Yeah, that sure was a bad storm, but it turns out the druids could handle it and the islands didn't sink and it also ended up leading them to Ciri, so, fair trade!

    The two of them are basically wolves looking to protect what's theirs.

    And, you know

    Triss has betrayed Geralt at least twice, in the most fundamental ways possible

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    The important thing to me is that I either didn't experience, or don't remember, Triss betraying Geralt. With this one game as perspective, Triss is clearly the correct choice. Yen is completely radicalized while Triss is self-sacrificing.

    Geralt even tells the other witchers who are getting pissed at Yen that they can go to Triss if things don't work out with Yen, but the opposite isn't true because Yen is crazy and jealous. Who throws a perfectly good bed off the balcony?

  • WybornWyborn GET EQUIPPED Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    The important thing to me is that I either didn't experience, or don't remember, Triss betraying Geralt. With this one game as perspective, Triss is clearly the correct choice. Yen is completely radicalized while Triss is self-sacrificing.

    Geralt even tells the other witchers who are getting pissed at Yen that they can go to Triss if things don't work out with Yen, but the opposite isn't true because Yen is crazy and jealous. Who throws a perfectly good bed off the balcony?
    Well, I mean, that's definitely an argument you can make

    But the instant chemistry between Geralt and Yen in the first scene they share in private, the way Geralt's body language changes when he's around her, is also a pretty clear indicator that that's where his real attraction is. It was actually jarring enough for some people coming out of Witcher 2 that it made their choices feel kind of marginalized in that Yen was clearly the canon romance

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  • JOE_1967JOE_1967 Registered User regular
    So am I the only one who tried to split the difference with Triss & Yen?
    It didn't end well. At least not for Geralt.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    JOE_1967 wrote: »
    So am I the only one who tried to split the difference with Triss & Yen?
    It didn't end well. At least not for Geralt.

    That kinda seems like suicide.

  • KetBraKetBra Dressed Ridiculously Registered User regular
    Yeah if you ignore that Triss is a giant asshole but likes to pretend she isn't she's okay I guess

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    The important thing to me is that I either didn't experience, or don't remember, Triss betraying Geralt. With this one game as perspective, Triss is clearly the correct choice. Yen is completely radicalized while Triss is self-sacrificing.

    Geralt even tells the other witchers who are getting pissed at Yen that they can go to Triss if things don't work out with Yen, but the opposite isn't true because Yen is crazy and jealous. Who throws a perfectly good bed off the balcony?

    In the first game Geralt wakes up with amnesia (after escaping the wild hunt whom he joined to save Yen) and then Triss attempts (and may or may not succeed) to seduce Geralt in that bed... With the purpose of abusing the amnesia to make Geralt believe that she was the woman he had loved all along.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    The problem is that if you only played Witcher 3 (which is true for a lot of people), and didn't read the books (also true for a majority of people who have played any Witcher game), Triss is absolutely the easier choice. Yen spends most of Witcher 3 being whiny and obtuse. And no amount of people telling you otherwise is going to change how you experience Triss in this game, with none of the back context.

    Having played the past Witcher games, I get it...but I can totally understand how someone who only played Witcher 3 would think Triss was the superior choice.

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  • knitdanknitdan Registered User regular
    Nah, I only played 3 and didn't read the books, but I did get context from the game about what Triss had done so she was a no go. And I understood Yen.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    There is also the redhead factor. A man can only resist for so long.

  • Andy JoeAndy Joe We claim the land for the highlord! The AdirondacksRegistered User regular
    There is a part of me that is extremely annoyed by a character named Triss Merigold being a redhead.

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  • GoumindongGoumindong Registered User regular
    Merigolds are orange or yellow flowers.

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  • Dr. ChaosDr. Chaos Post nuclear nuisance Registered User regular
    edited February 2017
    Never understood why people go nuts over blondes or redheads.

    Raven haired women drive me crazy on the other hand.

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  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    edited February 2017
    I'm a brunette or redhead man. Blondes don't do much for me. Not that they aren't beautiful in their own way, just not my personal preference.

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    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    I generally try to not be reductive of a person's value based on the color of their hair. I can't, however, control the fact that freckles are sexy.

  • GnomeTankGnomeTank What the what? Portland, OregonRegistered User regular
    I'm not sure it's reductive of someone's value to have a hair color preference. Physical attraction is physical, yo.

    Sagroth wrote: »
    Oh c'mon FyreWulff, no one's gonna pay to visit Uranus.
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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    GnomeTank wrote: »
    I'm not sure it's reductive of someone's value to have a hair color preference. Physical attraction is physical, yo.

    People ascribe character traits to hair color all the time, though. "Firey redhead." "Blondes have more fun," etc.

  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    Man this Scenes from a Marriage quest is goddamned tragic

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    One of my favorite quests in the Witcher series.

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Man this Scenes from a Marriage quest is goddamned tragic

    They needed to balance the scales from how fun & hilarious the dead man's party was.

  • mittensmittens he/himRegistered User regular
    The expansion pass is $15 on GOG from today through the weekend.

  • Senna1Senna1 Registered User regular
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Man this Scenes from a Marriage quest is goddamned tragic

    Yeah, HoS really rides a high note for its final third or so.

    And that's without delving into the Runecrafting stuff. What's the final balance on investing the coin into that? I'm done the main game plus HoS, and I'm sitting on about $20k cash - is it worth it to blow that to upgrade the rune merchant, or do I save it for B&W?

  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    Senna1 wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Man this Scenes from a Marriage quest is goddamned tragic

    Yeah, HoS really rides a high note for its final third or so.

    And that's without delving into the Runecrafting stuff. What's the final balance on investing the coin into that? I'm done the main game plus HoS, and I'm sitting on about $20k cash - is it worth it to blow that to upgrade the rune merchant, or do I save it for B&W?

    I regretted blowing 50K on upgrading a bunch of mastercrafted witcher sets I could only use one of at a time (and ended up not using at all after I got the vampire plate mail in B&W), instead of funding runecrafting that I would always use. I ended up taking like three sessions of gameplay time to harvest smuggler's caches in Skellige to get the cash to get the runes maxed out. It was quite boring.

  • hippofanthippofant ティンク Registered User regular
    m!ttens wrote: »
    The expansion pass is $15 on GOG from today through the weekend.

    There's no mixing and matching between Steam and GOG right?

  • JuggernutJuggernut Registered User regular
    Well, the main HoS quest line is done. Haven't hit the side quest yet though.

  • Senna1Senna1 Registered User regular
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Well, the main HoS quest line is done. Haven't hit the side quest yet though.

    Which way did you go with that? Final decision was easy for me (the one before that less so), but I've heard a surprising diversity on people's feelings on it after the fact.
    Senna1 wrote: »
    Juggernut wrote: »
    Man this Scenes from a Marriage quest is goddamned tragic

    Yeah, HoS really rides a high note for its final third or so.

    And that's without delving into the Runecrafting stuff. What's the final balance on investing the coin into that? I'm done the main game plus HoS, and I'm sitting on about $20k cash - is it worth it to blow that to upgrade the rune merchant, or do I save it for B&W?

    I regretted blowing 50K on upgrading a bunch of mastercrafted witcher sets I could only use one of at a time (and ended up not using at all after I got the vampire plate mail in B&W), instead of funding runecrafting that I would always use. I ended up taking like three sessions of gameplay time to harvest smuggler's caches in Skellige to get the cash to get the runes maxed out. It was quite boring.

    Well, I'm going to get him to the first level ($5k) and see what's up I think, and likely start Blood and Wine before sinking any more into him. From what I hear, B&W has its own gold sinks too so I might need to be selective. Unless I go farming in Skellige.

  • SimpsoniaSimpsonia Registered User regular
    Senna1 wrote: »
    Well, I'm going to get him to the first level ($5k) and see what's up I think, and likely start Blood and Wine before sinking any more into him. From what I hear, B&W has its own gold sinks too so I might need to be selective. Unless I go farming in Skellige.

    The Grandmaster gear is really really expensive. Buying the mats to make a full set can probably run 30k+ at least.

  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    Well, this is unfortunate -- the actual creator of the Witcher gets absolutely zero money from the games.

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Well, this is unfortunate -- the actual creator of the Witcher gets absolutely zero money from the games.

    I wouldn't blame him for taking the check instead of royalties considering that he was dealing with an unproven developer that absolutely no one would have guessed will have blown up like it did. After all, you're not going to be courting EA with this property, where you can expect the big bucks, so you mind as well get some upfront cash from these people.

    Hindsight, 20/20, and all.

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Yeah reading that article I don't really feel sorry for him. CDProjekt Red offered him a percentage of their profits but he just went for the check. He got his compensation in the form he desired.

  • Dr. ChaosDr. Chaos Post nuclear nuisance Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    He's been pretty disrespectful to the games in the past so I have a hard time feeling too bad for him making a such a bone headed mistake.

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  • PriscaPrisca Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Understandable he'd be kicking himself for not having confidence in a video game adaptation, as they can be risky investments. Yet, he should be proud that CDPR brought his works fully to the spotlight.

    Yes, you have ignorant people who confuse the origins of the series, but a literate and competent individual can do the proper investigating to find out about the books; I'd imagine those folks would be his audience anyways; not those looking for a quick $1 read.

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  • curly haired boycurly haired boy Your Friendly Neighborhood Torgue Dealer Registered User regular
    Re: romance
    I feel like geralt and yen make for an excellent narrative romance. There's plenty of back and forth, an element of magic, lots of drama and sacrifice....it's a well written, engaging part of a saga.

    If W3 was a tv series, I'd absolutely say the choice was clear.

    But i think the game aspect of the story is really what shifts many folks over to triss. The game places us in geralt's boots and asks us to make any number of decisions that have an impact on all sorts of stuff, including geralt's personality, his relationships with others, and even their personalities.

    With that freedom, and being able to "live" the experience of yen vs triss, it's pretty obvious how toxic their relationship is. It's not unexpected that many people would choose not to continue it.

    Basically, i think triss vs yen is about how you'd rather watch geralt be with yen, but you'd rather be geralt with triss.

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Extra Credits did a pretty good episode about the romance choice

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6PUReOuHVw

    Still I'll always be #Yen4lyfe

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    Maybe Shani, but like she pretty much says at the end of the HoS, she's a normal dating a hero, it just doesn't work out. Plus there is that whole living for a really long time (assuming you aren't killed) thing she can't do.

    Also for anyone has been holding off on buying Witcher 3 GOTY or the Season Pass or any other Witcher games on Steam, they're on a nice discount till Thursday.

  • Dr. ChaosDr. Chaos Post nuclear nuisance Registered User regular
    edited March 2017
    Can feel another 50 hours coming on soon.

    Time to finish Skelliga (or whatever the hell it was) I guess. Was gonna do Andromeda before coming back to W3 but eh, feels like it could use a few patches first.

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  • MugsleyMugsley DelawareRegistered User regular
    Picked up Witcher 3 GOTY for $25 via Steam. I haven't played the other two. Still a bit hype to give this a run, soon.

    (Sale is on until 3/31 if you want to let your friends know)

  • captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    You don't need to have played the other 2. I would actively advise against trying to play the Witcher 1, to be honest. 2 is ok but 3 is a great starting point.

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