The game's pretty rigid when it comes to single combat. Two of the praetors (toad and the elephant) are blatantly better than all the rest and it's extremely difficult to ever beat them unless you get lucky with the blind rock/paper/scissors combat orders. And unlike legions, there's almost zero way of getting around differences in strength with artifacts, leaders, support, or rituals. You have to hope some rare combat maneuver manuscripts pop up.
And I think Praetor combat is more open than your assessment. With so many rounds to put commands into, plus the luck stat having a potential influence on every attack and defence score every round, things can really go either way quite easily.
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And I think Praetor combat is more open than your assessment. With so many rounds to put commands into, plus the luck stat having a potential influence on every attack and defence score every round, things can really go either way quite easily.
Figured I needed something new after I suicided my other legions into MrBody like an idiot.
Now let's see whether I can manage to find souls for Beast to eat for even one more turn!
The game's pretty rigid when it comes to single combat. Two of the praetors (toad and the elephant) are blatantly better than all the rest and it's extremely difficult to ever beat them unless you get lucky with the blind rock/paper/scissors combat orders. And unlike legions, there's almost zero way of getting around differences in strength with artifacts, leaders, support, or rituals. You have to hope some rare combat maneuver manuscripts pop up.
And guess who's just got the elephant....
Unlike legion combat I genuinely have no idea how preator combat works - this should be interesting!
I got a bit lucky with the last turn. The elephant popped up and I massively overbid in an attempt to grab it before anyone else (and stop Jam Warrior kicking me around with his toad).
I also thought Jakobagger was going to use the Beast to grab The Bronze Pyramid from me. I got overly greedy and crushed his legion first, dragging the vendetta out another turn.
There was nothing he could do to prevent me taking his +1 POP, but equally I couldn't have stopped him taking the +2 Pyramid, which would be net loss for me. I was kicking myself when I noticed!
I got a bit lucky with the last turn. The elephant popped up and I massively overbid in an attempt to grab it before anyone else (and stop Jam Warrior kicking me around with his toad).
I also thought Jakobagger was going to use the Beast to grab The Bronze Pyramid from me. I got overly greedy and crushed his legion first, dragging the vendetta out another turn.
There was nothing he could do to prevent me taking his +1 POP, but equally I couldn't have stopped him taking the +2 Pyramid, which would be net loss for me. I was kicking myself when I noticed!
I was paranoid about being able to pay the upkeep
which is the problem with the beast I guess, sometimes you end up sending your orders collecting souls to feed it which means you never get around to actually using it
Been tooling around with high Martial stat builds and combat perks to go with it. Not sure how it's ever supposed to work. You need lots of resources to make it work but you don't have any points left for charisma. If you want to take any of the combat perks that tie into the martial stat, you need to take negative perks that cripple your income or military (-1 movement/order).
No. You'd have an extra 4-6 points in the starting legion and that's it.
Even if you did take Pandemonium, you wouldn't have enough points for a high rank and your stronghold would be a sitting duck to the other players.
The max starting legion would be taking all the negative traits and putting all your points into as high and as even a distribution of non-charisma stats as possible. Pumping everything into Martial wouldn't give you that. I don't think even the strongest possible starting legion could rush Pandemonium.
I guess your best hope then would be to try and insult everyone, then use your strong starting legion to crush their legions and bully them for the rest of the game?
Can you excommunicate yourself (without attacking pandemonium)? I guess you could buy a cheap legion to sacrifice to achieve this. No-one would expect an attack on their stronghold in the first 2-3 turns! In a four player game you could probably take out at least one other player before people realize whats happening. Then hope you can take the other 2 individually before they gang up on you?
I guess your best hope then would be to try and insult everyone, then use your strong starting legion to crush their legions and bully them for the rest of the game?
Can you excommunicate yourself (without attacking pandemonium)? I guess you could buy a cheap legion to sacrifice to achieve this. No-one would expect an attack on their stronghold in the first 2-3 turns! In a four player game you could probably take out at least one other player before people realize whats happening. Then hope you can take the other 2 individually before they gang up on you?
Heh, giving away a trick here, but it would be cheap to pull without everyone knowing about it.
You can also excommunicate yourself by casting a destruction ritual on pandemonium, which opens you up to be able to attack strongholds.
Not sure, but the target player would at least have 1 phase to respond to the now open season legion, or even take the other player's stronghold himself!
That RPS writeup in the OP has that happen at the end. You can check that out to see how the timing worked out.
Actually, I'm 90% sure it happens at the end of the turn, since that how it works with other instances of excommunication. There's an announcement in the turn log and you can't act until that, just like vendetta restrictions being lifted only after the turn is calculated.
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Also cheers for the free prestige guys.
And I think Praetor combat is more open than your assessment. With so many rounds to put commands into, plus the luck stat having a potential influence on every attack and defence score every round, things can really go either way quite easily.
Figured I needed something new after I suicided my other legions into MrBody like an idiot.
Now let's see whether I can manage to find souls for Beast to eat for even one more turn!
What a joy I was able to start out so conveniently close to it.
I tripled checked this turn that I made it before submitting orders.
And guess who's just got the elephant....
Unlike legion combat I genuinely have no idea how preator combat works - this should be interesting!
I also thought Jakobagger was going to use the Beast to grab The Bronze Pyramid from me. I got overly greedy and crushed his legion first, dragging the vendetta out another turn.
There was nothing he could do to prevent me taking his +1 POP, but equally I couldn't have stopped him taking the +2 Pyramid, which would be net loss for me. I was kicking myself when I noticed!
I was paranoid about being able to pay the upkeep
which is the problem with the beast I guess, sometimes you end up sending your orders collecting souls to feed it which means you never get around to actually using it
whoops
One hit point left on the damned elephant when poor froggy went down.
Even if you did take Pandemonium, you wouldn't have enough points for a high rank and your stronghold would be a sitting duck to the other players.
The max starting legion would be taking all the negative traits and putting all your points into as high and as even a distribution of non-charisma stats as possible. Pumping everything into Martial wouldn't give you that. I don't think even the strongest possible starting legion could rush Pandemonium.
Can you excommunicate yourself (without attacking pandemonium)? I guess you could buy a cheap legion to sacrifice to achieve this. No-one would expect an attack on their stronghold in the first 2-3 turns! In a four player game you could probably take out at least one other player before people realize whats happening. Then hope you can take the other 2 individually before they gang up on you?
Heh, giving away a trick here, but it would be cheap to pull without everyone knowing about it.
You can also excommunicate yourself by casting a destruction ritual on pandemonium, which opens you up to be able to attack strongholds.
Turn 1:
Turn 2:
- Order 1: Cast destruction ritual on Pandemonium
- Order 2: Move legion and take opponent's stronghold
.Actually, I'm 90% sure it happens at the end of the turn, since that how it works with other instances of excommunication. There's an announcement in the turn log and you can't act until that, just like vendetta restrictions being lifted only after the turn is calculated.
(Accept insult? Yes/No)
This next turn is hinging on some shakey rule understanding I have.
Wolf has 7 prestige in a turn now!