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Its a great big [Steven Universe] out there!

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    Rose is straight up the biggest mystery in the show. Just... everything around her. Who she was. She had a huge formative impact on everyone important in Steven's life(except Connie) but to Steven she's just... a ghost. He doesn't know her, doesn't know how to feel about her. It's very real that way.

    And that's... well, it's a weird feeling to have. But I think it's an important part of kids growing up to realize that all the people around them who are older than them, be they friends or family, have lived lives beyond said kids' experiences. And all those collective experiences end up making people wonderful, and sometimes terrible, and always complicated.

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    Ms DapperMs Dapper Yuri Librarian Registered User regular
    I really liked that they have started to give her actual flaws so that she's no longer this perfect goddess in everyone's memories.

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    NeoTomaNeoToma Registered User regular
    I never saw Rose as perfect. The Gems speak highly of her yeah, but of course they do. She was their leader and a great heroine. The fact all of Rose's was so dangerous, (the moss, the vines, the holo room, the armory) always implied that there was more going on.


    I think making her a bit paternalistic/condescending in her veiw humans is cool wrinkle. Just because you care and want to protect a group doesn't mean you see them as equals

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    Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    so

    I think

    Pearl might just have a thing for authority figures

    what happened with Rose is now happening with Garnet

    maybe that's her "malfunction"? loyalty to the gem they serve taken too far to the point of romantic devotion?

    in any case, girl's got issues

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    Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    also I like that it's implied that Gems might just have some sort of natural affinity for music and rhythm (re: Amethyst and the drums)

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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    See, now I want to see Jasper as lead singer of a Gem Death Metal band.

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    Indie WinterIndie Winter die Krähe Rudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered User regular
    Peridot would totally be into Daft Punk

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    LasbrookLasbrook It takes a lot to make a stew When it comes to me and youRegistered User regular
    so

    I think

    Pearl might just have a thing for authority figures

    what happened with Rose is now happening with Garnet

    maybe that's her "malfunction"? loyalty to the gem they serve taken too far to the point of romantic devotion?

    in any case, girl's got issues

    She was obsessed with the idea of human knights, she needs a lord to serve.

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    GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    I think she was probably more fulfilled when there were more gems to socialize with.

    She's clearly very lonely, and not just because Rose is gone.

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    BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    also I like that it's implied that Gems might just have some sort of natural affinity for music and rhythm (re: Amethyst and the drums)

    to tell the truth, i think these hologram gems having natural musical affinity is outrageous

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    WhippyWhippy Moderator, Admin Emeritus Admin Emeritus
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    also I like that it's implied that Gems might just have some sort of natural affinity for music and rhythm (re: Amethyst and the drums)

    to tell the truth, i think these hologram gems having natural musical affinity is outrageous

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    HellaJeffHellaJeff FAB FRESH RAIIINBOOWWWWWRegistered User regular
    Bring back Nikki Minaj

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2015
    There...there are people denying that Pearl is gay.

    I really can't wrap my head around it. This week's episodes didn't even answer the question "Is Pearl gay?" but rather "Just how gay is Pearl?" to which the answer is "Gayer than your wildest imagination."

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    There...there are people denying that Pearl is gay.

    I really can't wrap my head around it. This week's episodes didn't even answer the question "Is Pearl gay?" but rather "Just how gay is Pearl?" to which the answer is "Gayer than your wildest imagination."

    the gems are from a race of only females

    I'm gonna go with "duh" on this one

    like Rebecca sugar pretty clearly set out to make a show that had a TON of queer representation and she did it in the most concrete way possible

    I'm not sure how you could go 'nah'

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    Sweeney TomSweeney Tom Registered User regular
    There...there are people denying that Pearl is gay.

    I really can't wrap my head around it. This week's episodes didn't even answer the question "Is Pearl gay?" but rather "Just how gay is Pearl?" to which the answer is "Gayer than your wildest imagination."

    This is the most explicitly gay character a cartoon that airs on a major network has ever had, and it is infuriating people are outright actively denying or wishing it away as "you're reading too much into it" etc. for numerous reasons, especially because of how big a deal this actually is.

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    NotoriusBENNotoriusBEN Registered User regular
    just because they are in denial and trying to wish it away doesn't mean it isn't happening.

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    Alucard6986Alucard6986 xbox: Ubeltanzer swtor: UbelRegistered User regular
    edited June 2015
    I think gay is the wrong word for a monogender alien race that does not reproduce sexually. Rose and Greg is what would be viewed as different in gem society

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    They are "monogender" but their portrayal is absolutely them being a race of women

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    I think gay is the wrong word for a monogender alien race that does not reproduce sexually. Rose and Greg is what would be viewed as different in gem society

    They explicitly present as and identify as female

    If they were a monogender that just looked female id agree with you

    But they very clearly identify themselves as women

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    nightmarennynightmarenny Registered User regular
    I think gay is the wrong word for a monogender alien race that does not reproduce sexually. Rose and Greg is what would be viewed as different in gem society

    But she is (basically) a women who was into another woman and that's important for the purposes of representation.

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    ChincymcchillaChincymcchilla Registered User regular
    Also alucard I don't think you meant to do this but you knd of equated gay and abnormal which isn't cool

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    Alucard6986Alucard6986 xbox: Ubeltanzer swtor: UbelRegistered User regular
    What I'm saying is that gay and straight have no meaning in gem society, and that homeworld would probably look down on interspecies romance. Steven is an abomination from their perspective.

    I'm not trying to say the show isn't gender progressive, I just think gay doesn't make any sense if a gem can't be straight either, or if gem/gem is straight.

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    Bluedude152Bluedude152 Registered User regular
    Right

    But the show is treating all the as if they are all women

    So it doesn't matter if *in the show* they are monogender, because *to us* they are women

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    DevoutlyApatheticDevoutlyApathetic Registered User regular
    What I'm saying is that gay and straight have no meaning in gem society, and that homeworld would probably look down on interspecies romance. Steven is an abomination from their perspective.

    I'm not trying to say the show isn't gender progressive, I just think gay doesn't make any sense if a gem can't be straight either, or if gem/gem is straight.

    While I think you're right inside the context of the show universe it is still going to be consumed and interpreted in the context of our modern society. By whose standards the gems look, sound and act like women.

    The show is fairly broad in portraying different kinds of women which is also a plus.

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    Alucard6986Alucard6986 xbox: Ubeltanzer swtor: UbelRegistered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Also alucard I don't think you meant to do this but you knd of equated gay and abnormal which isn't cool

    Perhaps I should have said stigmatized. As in gem/human relationships In the context of gem society would carry the same stigma that a gay human/human relationship would in human society in certain parts of the south or countries in africa or the middle east where it's straight up illegal and punishable by death.

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    NotoriusBENNotoriusBEN Registered User regular
    gonna be proactive for the current line of conversations:

    keep it civil.
    Don't be pedantic.
    Don't be a jerk.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    There...there are people denying that Pearl is gay.

    I really can't wrap my head around it. This week's episodes didn't even answer the question "Is Pearl gay?" but rather "Just how gay is Pearl?" to which the answer is "Gayer than your wildest imagination."

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    Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    Basically it doesn't matter what the in universe context is, the only thing that really matters is the portrayal to the audience.

    Which yes, Pearl is completely 100% gay and that's fantastic.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2015
    Garnet isn't gay, they're just two sisters who fuse all the time so they can better help the crystajdjeodniendiendonsxlrrrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrrlrlrlrl

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    Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    No one is gay, they all are just super attracted to Greg and that's why they're raising Steven so they can make him like them.

    I mean, comeon everyone gay people don't exist to kids.

    Also no episodes were about consent.

    And everythings funny aaallll the time..

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Garnet isn't gay, they're just two sisters who fuse all the time so they can better help the crystajdjeodniendiendonsxlrrrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrrlrlrlrl
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    Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    Garnet isn't gay, they're just two sisters who fuse all the time so they can better help the crystajdjeodniendiendonsxlrrrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrrlrlrlrl
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    Jesus christ what kind of hellscape forum is that?

    No I don't.
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    Sir FabulousSir Fabulous Malevolent Squid God Registered User regular
    edited June 2015
    Society today: Where incest is considered preferable to homosexuality.

    Edit: Actually I see that I read that wrong. Still, it seems like you'd have to believe in some weird bro/sis relationships to think that's the case.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Garnet isn't gay, they're just two sisters who fuse all the time so they can better help the crystajdjeodniendiendonsxlrrrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrrlrlrlrl
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    Jesus christ what kind of hellscape forum is that?

    it's from the comments on steven-universe.wikia.com

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    BeastehBeasteh THAT WOULD NOT KILL DRACULARegistered User regular
    edited June 2015
    people have to be seriously sticking their heads into the sand to be ignoring the 'homosexuality is an accepted, normal thing' in SU

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    GundiGundi Serious Bismuth Registered User regular
    There...there are people denying that Pearl is gay.

    I really can't wrap my head around it. This week's episodes didn't even answer the question "Is Pearl gay?" but rather "Just how gay is Pearl?" to which the answer is "Gayer than your wildest imagination."
    I don't know... I'm pretty sure some people on these forums have pretty gay imaginations. Just saying.

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    Death of RatsDeath of Rats Registered User regular
    Garnet isn't gay, they're just two sisters who fuse all the time so they can better help the crystajdjeodniendiendonsxlrrrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrlrrlrlrlrl
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    Jesus christ what kind of hellscape forum is that?

    it's from the comments on steven-universe.wikia.com

    It makes me so much sadder knowing that's from a community exclusively for Steven Universe.

    No I don't.
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    NotoriusBENNotoriusBEN Registered User regular
    Never go to official/exclusive forums.
    Hives and honeypots of scum and villiany of the greatest magnitude.

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    MachwingMachwing It looks like a harmless old computer, doesn't it? Left in this cave to rot ... or to flower!Registered User regular
    lol if you think a wikia is the official steven universe discussion zone

    Little forum threads like this are truer to the spirit of the fandom than that place

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