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So I've been smoking Hookah on occasion, not often. Tried cigarettes and cigariloes. But one thing I have been wanting to try is a bong, however my dilemma is that I am afriad of trying cannabis, worried I may fuckup my school work or do something stupid while high.
So...
Is there anything else that I can put in a bong to smoke that isn't a drug?
ie. regular tobacco, or would hookah tobacco (molases) work in one?
Does the substance you smoke have to be dried out or moist?
ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
edited April 2007
You could smoke a sheet of paper through a bong if you wanted. The only difference between that and normal smoking is that the bong has water in it. Only difference.
1) what would be my best alternative to weed
2) must it be moist or dry
EDIT: I will stick to hookah but I just like to try new things for fun, so I was going to buy a bong just to ye know like use it once and then let it collect dust. cool sovenier
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
1) what would be my best alternative to weed
2) must it be moist or dry
EDIT: I will stick to hookah but I just like to try new things for fun, so I was going to buy a bong just to ye know like use it once and then let it collect dust. cool sovenier
There is no real alternative to weed. Just don't spend your money on a bong unless you plan on trying weed at some point. It does not matter if its moist or dry.
Well you COULD do salvia in it, well I know for weed, it's better if it's just a LITTLE moist, but not wet, and if you don't wanna do weed then stick with your hookah for tobacco, but yes you could smoke almost anything out of a bong, try mint?
A nice bong is expensive. Spending lots of money on something like this is foolish. A cheap bong is shitty and not fun. Why don't you just use a friends? Surely you must know someone with a bong?
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Well you COULD do salvia in it, well I know for weed, it's better if it's just a LITTLE moist, but not wet, and if you don't wanna do weed then stick with your hookah for tobacco, but yes you could smoke almost anything out of a bong, try mint?
If he's 'afraid' of trying cannabis (his word, not mine) then he should never ever ever even be in the same room as a Salvia Divinorum plant.
You can put dry tobacco in the bowl. As someone already said though, it's not really for that purpose. I *really* suspect you're not going to like it, so when you buy a bong, make sure it's the cheapest one. It's entirely likely, even probable that you'll never use it again until the weed experimentation phase kicks in (if ever). Don't tell anyone in the headshop that you plan to try tobacco in it. You'll just have to stand there and defend yourself until they get over their little pothead heart attack. Boring!
You can get mini-bongs (like the size of your thumb basicly) for quite cheap. I think that might create a nice effect with the tobacco, but it won't be the true bong experience.
Also, you didn't include pipes in your experience list. A nice old fashioned pipe is a grand way to smoke tobacco. It's my favorite to the exclusion of all else. Too bad I can't take it into public.
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ShogunHair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get alongRegistered Userregular
You can put dry tobacco in the bowl. As someone already said though, it's not really for that purpose. I *really* suspect you're not going to like it, so when you buy a bong, make sure it's the cheapest one. It's entirely likely, even probable that you'll never use it again until the weed experimentation phase kicks in (if ever). Don't tell anyone in the headshop that you plan to try tobacco in it. You'll just have to stand there and defend yourself until they get over their little pothead heart attack. Boring!
You can get mini-bongs (like the size of your thumb basicly) for quite cheap. I think that might create a nice effect with the tobacco, but it won't be the true bong experience.
Also, you didn't include pipes in your experience list. A nice old fashioned pipe is a grand way to smoke tobacco. It's my favorite to the exclusion of all else. Too bad I can't take it into public.
I would think a bong hit of tobacco would hurt so ungodly bad. I can't even imagine it I bet it would make one puke.
In many cases, hookah businesses have been able to remain in business by replacing their traditional, tobacco-based shisha with tobacco-free, herbal alternatives.
This gave me the idea to google "herbal hookah". The very first result said
Exclusive premium tobacco free exotic hookah blends, specially formulated for hookahs but burn very well in any pipe. These hookah blends are 100% herbal. They are a bit different from tobacco blends as there is no molasses or honey added to the flowers, only pure herbal extracts for flavor and enhancement. This hookah blend not only has a superior burn in hookahs it is also a fantastic smoke in any pipe.
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
edited April 2007
If you are that interested in buying one but don't want to spend the money on it. You can make one out of pretty much anything, all you need is a chamber, pipe section and equivalent cone piece.
Chamber = Plastice bottle
Pipe section = small length of hose
Cone piece = you should probably buy one but in a pinch you can use alfoil.
EDIT: But really don't bother, Bongs are designed to get alot of smoke into you in a very short time, for that they are excellent. You appear to enjoy the act of smoking, as such stick with cigarellos, cigars and cigarettes. If you want to experiment I recomend a pipe (though to be honest I've never tried a pipe so I can't really comment).
I have a pipe. Unused. Ok thanks guys, I'll constuct a bong myself to try it first before I go and buy one. Its not really the money side of buying one for me as they are really cheap here in South Africa. But thanks anyways.
Do this forum's "don't recommend illegal stuff" rules not apply to marijuana?
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God I should get the official party line on this straight, but basically like all right thinking people we kind of look the other way when mild discussion/use comes up. Please don't try to buy/sell/trade weed on here because you'll be banned in 2 seconds flat. But it exists, and we deal with that, and we move on
Besides something like 30% of all SE++ posts are written by people who've just smoked a giant bong to chase down their goofballs. How strict can we be?
Hell, don't even spend money on a bong until after you've tried weed, and decide that you like it and wish to make a hobby of it.
Seriously though, this thread is silly and the answer is "no, just no."
Even then, it's better to just let that one pothead you know (and everybody knows at least one) buy the bongs and the weed, and everything else, and just mooch off of him.
If you're all about trying new things, you could try a bubbler. I don't think it would hold any advantage over a hookah if you're smoking tobacco, but then, a bong doesn't really either.
One of my roommates just got a double bubbler, its great.
I once took a bong rip that had a little bit of tobacco in it (rolling tobacco somehow ended up in the weed bag). I love cigarettes and cigars and smoking tobacco is one of my favorite things. DO NOT EVER SMOKE TOBACCO OUT OF A BONG IT IS ONE OF THE MOST UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCES EVER EVEN WHEN IT'S ONLY A TINY BIT MIXED IN WITH WHAT BONGS ARE FOR. Also, if you use a bong that's already been used you'll probably get a resin-hit along with your incredibly painful experience.
If you are that interested in buying one but don't want to spend the money on it. You can make one out of pretty much anything, all you need is a chamber, pipe section and equivalent cone piece.
Chamber = Plastice bottle
Pipe section = small length of hose
Cone piece = you should probably buy one but in a pinch you can use alfoil.
EDIT: But really don't bother, Bongs are designed to get alot of smoke into you in a very short time, for that they are excellent. You appear to enjoy the act of smoking, as such stick with cigarellos, cigars and cigarettes. If you want to experiment I recomend a pipe (though to be honest I've never tried a pipe so I can't really comment).
You shouldnt use aluminum foil to smoke. Ever. Same goes for aluminum or tin cans. Pretty much if its metal and not its not steel, dont smoke out of it. Seriously, use a steel socket and some window mesh if youre really in a pinch, not a pop can or aluminum foil.
i know this isnt water filtered, but perhaps you could try smoking out of an apple? perhaps that might change the flavor of the tobacco and its pretty easy to core one out.
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i know this isnt water filtered, but perhaps you could try smoking out of an apple? perhaps that might change the flavor of the tobacco and its pretty easy to core one out.
Nah...not worth the effort. Only decent for smoking weed in a pinch if you are out of papers or other smoking implements.
But as it has been said, a bong is not for tobacco. Tobacco smoke from a decent sized bong will make it feel like your lungs have seized up. You will cough. It will hurt. The only reason my friends and I have ever put tobacco in a bong was to serve as a bed for a ball or resin and even then it's only a small amount.
Besides...to get a decent bong you will spend over $100 for something decent. More for something you will really enjoy smoking from. Glass on glass, double bubble, etc, etc...
Do this forum's "don't recommend illegal stuff" rules not apply to marijuana?
Talking about the equipment, and even recommending one piece of equipment over another is legal. It's recommending the drug itself that's illegal. (having said that, there have been a couple threads that have really toed the line in this respect, so warning well placed anyway)
Check out the cannabis vault and educate yourself. It will only fuck you over in school if you let it. You're the one that decides whether you do your work or not.
Yes I do know what cannabis is, I am aware of the effects ect. but the only talks or information we get at school mentions that cannabis is a gateway drug and will fuck you over via getting you hooked on other drugs. I was looking for first hand un-biased opinion from people that have actually smoked weed and can tell me the social effects of it.
i dont think you'll find many people recommending it to someone. do you have friends or other people you know who smoke? how has it affected their lives? besides, drugs effect everyone differently so what happens to one may or may not happen to others. you say you live in south africa, i dont know the legality over there but generally the legal ramifications are worse than the physiological consequences.
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"Be who you are, and say what you feel because those who mind dont matter, and those who matter dont mind." - Dr. Seuss
i dont think you'll find many people recommending it to someone. do you have friends or other people you know who smoke? how has it affected their lives? besides, drugs effect everyone differently so what happens to one may or may not happen to others. you say you live in south africa, i dont know the legality over there but generally the legal ramifications are worse than the physiological consequences.
By a very wide margin. And the effects varying somewhat between people is pretty key, too.
It is illegal, but there is a very low police presence in South Africa and it is not uncommon for kids my age 17/18 to smoke weed in private like at home. School policies are stict and if caught with cannabis you will be turned into the police, if you are caught high but with no substance the school cannot expell you unless you refuse councelling
It is common to be offered cannabis and other drugs in places like malls (at night) or in clubs.
None of my friends smoke weed but I know people that do or have.
If I were caught with weed by the police and was unsuccesful at bribary (bribary is very common, in the form of beer, coke or R200-500 ( Divide by 7 = USD)) I might get like a warning and no jail time unless I have like a kilo.
Ok so say I were to try weed. How bad would it fuck me over (in terms of failing school) am I looking at long term or short term dammage?
I would ask why you want to try it. Don't get me wrong, I'm a stoner. But I've never heard of anyone wanting to try weed because they want to hit a bong.
Weed is probably going to be different from anything else you've tried. It's not like being drunk because you're more coherent and less extroverted. Music becomes a whole new sensory experience. People who are not high are going to think you're a goofy fuck, especially when you're new to it. People talk and laugh about different things.
Weed is really more about all that (and a bunch of other shit; some people say weed makes them more creative, for others it's a spiritual experience. It's also been used as an aphrodisiac) than the actual act of smoking.
I would think about whether any of that suited me before trying it.
Also, cannabis being a gateway drug is bullshit. Trying acid or heroin is your decision, not mary jane's.
Interesting you mention bongs as being different from hookahs. I had thought they were the same, both using water filtration to ease the ash out of the smoke, leaving only the taste, or in the case of cannabis, THC. A bong is more or less a poorman's hookah, at least to my understanding.
It generally a bad idea to smoke weed out of something built for tobacco though, the resin from cannabis really tends to clog everything up. Tobacco pipes for example, can be rendered virtually useless, and the same would go for your hookah if the pipes and holes are too small to allow for buildup.
As for trying weeds itself - meh. Everybody's different; some people handle it alright, some people turn into wastes of skin. I certainly wouldn't recommend your first time to be a week before a hard test or anything. It alters your sensory perception a bit, which can be a pretty intense thing for people to get a grip on even when the drug bit is gone. If you have serious plans for commercial success, I would wait until you have everything you need under your belt first - it has the potential to be quite damaging, even if it's a small potential, so it's a bit like playing Russian Roulette with your future. Granted, in this Roulette, there are like fifty chambers and the bullet doesn't kill you so much as shatter your productivity drive, but the risk still exists. I can't really recommend it as a good Way to Be, though I'm still open to discussion and alternative proofs on the subject.
Okay, now we're a little beyond my comfort zone on the legality rule. Any weed comments beyond medical "what it does" and legal "what they can do to you" stuff should be taken to a place not publicly visible, perhaps some sort of messages that are designed for privacy, but frankly erowid will answer them better for the most part anyway. A WebMD search wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Being stoned will vary, buying, arranging to buy, possession, and apparently "attempted drug-abuse" (I shit you not, I know a guy on probation for that charge) are all illegal here.
Edit: And if caught on any of them you can never recieve federal financial aid. Pedophiles, however, are good to go on FAFSA.
The only things the OP has to worry about in terms of pot are the legal ramifications. It isn't physically addictive, and it won't have any more of a permanent effect on you than a few drinks.
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Stick with a hookah and some Shisha tobacco. Mmmm... tasty smooth.
1) what would be my best alternative to weed
2) must it be moist or dry
EDIT: I will stick to hookah but I just like to try new things for fun, so I was going to buy a bong just to ye know like use it once and then let it collect dust. cool sovenier
There is no real alternative to weed. Just don't spend your money on a bong unless you plan on trying weed at some point. It does not matter if its moist or dry.
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Seriously though, this thread is silly and the answer is "no, just no."
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If he's 'afraid' of trying cannabis (his word, not mine) then he should never ever ever even be in the same room as a Salvia Divinorum plant.
You can get mini-bongs (like the size of your thumb basicly) for quite cheap. I think that might create a nice effect with the tobacco, but it won't be the true bong experience.
Also, you didn't include pipes in your experience list. A nice old fashioned pipe is a grand way to smoke tobacco. It's my favorite to the exclusion of all else. Too bad I can't take it into public.
I would think a bong hit of tobacco would hurt so ungodly bad. I can't even imagine it I bet it would make one puke.
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This gave me the idea to google "herbal hookah". The very first result said
Chamber = Plastice bottle
Pipe section = small length of hose
Cone piece = you should probably buy one but in a pinch you can use alfoil.
EDIT: But really don't bother, Bongs are designed to get alot of smoke into you in a very short time, for that they are excellent. You appear to enjoy the act of smoking, as such stick with cigarellos, cigars and cigarettes. If you want to experiment I recomend a pipe (though to be honest I've never tried a pipe so I can't really comment).
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God I should get the official party line on this straight, but basically like all right thinking people we kind of look the other way when mild discussion/use comes up. Please don't try to buy/sell/trade weed on here because you'll be banned in 2 seconds flat. But it exists, and we deal with that, and we move on
Besides something like 30% of all SE++ posts are written by people who've just smoked a giant bong to chase down their goofballs. How strict can we be?
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Even then, it's better to just let that one pothead you know (and everybody knows at least one) buy the bongs and the weed, and everything else, and just mooch off of him.
One of my roommates just got a double bubbler, its great.
You shouldnt use aluminum foil to smoke. Ever. Same goes for aluminum or tin cans. Pretty much if its metal and not its not steel, dont smoke out of it. Seriously, use a steel socket and some window mesh if youre really in a pinch, not a pop can or aluminum foil.
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Nah...not worth the effort. Only decent for smoking weed in a pinch if you are out of papers or other smoking implements.
But as it has been said, a bong is not for tobacco. Tobacco smoke from a decent sized bong will make it feel like your lungs have seized up. You will cough. It will hurt. The only reason my friends and I have ever put tobacco in a bong was to serve as a bed for a ball or resin and even then it's only a small amount.
Besides...to get a decent bong you will spend over $100 for something decent. More for something you will really enjoy smoking from. Glass on glass, double bubble, etc, etc...
Talking about the equipment, and even recommending one piece of equipment over another is legal. It's recommending the drug itself that's illegal. (having said that, there have been a couple threads that have really toed the line in this respect, so warning well placed anyway)
You need to do some serious research. Do you even know what cannabis is? Active ingredients? How it affects your body?
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By a very wide margin. And the effects varying somewhat between people is pretty key, too.
It is common to be offered cannabis and other drugs in places like malls (at night) or in clubs.
None of my friends smoke weed but I know people that do or have.
If I were caught with weed by the police and was unsuccesful at bribary (bribary is very common, in the form of beer, coke or R200-500 ( Divide by 7 = USD)) I might get like a warning and no jail time unless I have like a kilo.
People were recommending smoking weed. *shrugs*
I would ask why you want to try it. Don't get me wrong, I'm a stoner. But I've never heard of anyone wanting to try weed because they want to hit a bong.
Weed is probably going to be different from anything else you've tried. It's not like being drunk because you're more coherent and less extroverted. Music becomes a whole new sensory experience. People who are not high are going to think you're a goofy fuck, especially when you're new to it. People talk and laugh about different things.
Weed is really more about all that (and a bunch of other shit; some people say weed makes them more creative, for others it's a spiritual experience. It's also been used as an aphrodisiac) than the actual act of smoking.
I would think about whether any of that suited me before trying it.
Also, cannabis being a gateway drug is bullshit. Trying acid or heroin is your decision, not mary jane's.
It generally a bad idea to smoke weed out of something built for tobacco though, the resin from cannabis really tends to clog everything up. Tobacco pipes for example, can be rendered virtually useless, and the same would go for your hookah if the pipes and holes are too small to allow for buildup.
As for trying weeds itself - meh. Everybody's different; some people handle it alright, some people turn into wastes of skin. I certainly wouldn't recommend your first time to be a week before a hard test or anything. It alters your sensory perception a bit, which can be a pretty intense thing for people to get a grip on even when the drug bit is gone. If you have serious plans for commercial success, I would wait until you have everything you need under your belt first - it has the potential to be quite damaging, even if it's a small potential, so it's a bit like playing Russian Roulette with your future. Granted, in this Roulette, there are like fifty chambers and the bullet doesn't kill you so much as shatter your productivity drive, but the risk still exists. I can't really recommend it as a good Way to Be, though I'm still open to discussion and alternative proofs on the subject.
This is different in the US?
Edit: And if caught on any of them you can never recieve federal financial aid. Pedophiles, however, are good to go on FAFSA.