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[PbP] [War of the Roses] - 4-Player RPG/Strategy Game - Shut Down

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edited November 2015 in Critical Failures
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“Now is the Winter of our discontent
Made glorious Summer by this sun of York."
The Life and Death of Richard the Third
(Act 1, Scene 1)



Welcome to War of the Roses, a multi-player RPG/strategy game set in 15th Century England (1455-1485). Players are the current leading Heir of their House, representing one of the four rival royal houses vying for control of the throne of England. They will use their noble retainers to bring the enemy to battle, influence nobles to vote their way in Parliament, and wield their influence to gain the support of the landed gentry.


This will be a homegrown, experimental game based on the GMT game, Crown of Roses. Certain current PC games got me thinking about overlaying an RPG onto a wargame. After mulling over which time period to choose, from Rome to the future of space, I fondly remembered how I loved executing other Houses' Royal Heirs in my bid to rule England and how this war lends itself so well to deceit and backstabbing.

I have basically stripped the game down to a skeleton of core concepts and hid them behind my GM curtain. The players will not be overly exposed to rules and number crunching, as in most wargames, but will be freer to concentrate on the strategies and interactions that real-life leaders deal with. Fog of war, uncertain alliances, untrustworthy underlings and fortuitous, or disastrous, events will be the feast upon the table. The majority of RP will occur between the players. I will, of course, control the other Nobles but will not fully RP some 30 characters. They will be very short on interactions and discussions. Expect many "Aye, M'Lord" & "Ney, M'Lord" responses.

Turns will represent 1-2 years of game world time and I believe the game will go 20 turns. The game may last anywhere from a number of weeks to a number of months of real time, depending on player activity and host brain damage.

As to whether this will work or not is anyone's guess but I believe it will at least be fun.
Now grab that sword, kiss your maiden and ride like hell to the sound of battle!
The usurpers must be crushed!
The Crown of England is at stake!!!


This will be a Play-By-Post Game for 4 players, participants determined from sign-ups.

Please sign-up in red.
You may also post which House you may wish to play or not.
(See document below)

Participants will be determined randomly.

PM's are allowed, if not required, between players.
All messages between players must include the host.


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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
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    REFERENCE MATERIALS

    The Roll of Parliament
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    Bonus Influence represents which Houses that Noble leans toward. The more roses, the more he favors that House. Some do favor more than one House.
    Red roses favor Lancaster.
    White roses favor York.
    Yellow roses favor Buckingham.
    Blue roses favor Warwick.

    Influence Threshold represents that Noble's ease at which he can be swayed. The lower, the easier. The higher, the tougher.

    Command represents how adept a military leader that Noble is. The higher, the better.

    Rank represents how politically influential that Noble is. The higher, the better.

    Nobles that become Royal Heirs cannot be Influenced away from their House.
    All Royal Heirs are Nobles but not all Nobles are Royal Heirs.

    Clarence, a Yorkist Noble, can become an Heir later in the game, if the situation is right, namely a number dead Yorkist Heirs. He may be Intrigued or Influenced by any player until he becomes the Senior Yorkist Heir.

    Heirs, Nobles and Offices
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    The images above represent the strength and quality of the troops each Heir, Noble and Office carries. The top of each block is the full strength of that participant. As they take losses, the weaker strengths clockwise on the block are used.

    Note, some have more available steps around their block, representing more troops. Eg. Norfolk has 4 steps while Scrope has only 2.

    The color of the dice represent the quality of the troops. Red dice are the strongest, (hitting on a 4-6), blue are the middle, (hitting on a 5 or 6) and green are the weakest, (hitting on a 6 only).

    The numbers on the bottom of the blocks are the same as the Command and Rank mentioned in The Roll of Parliament spoiler above.

    Crown of Roses Board
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    We will use this board as a reference as to where units are currently positioned, where Home Estates are located and which Shires are held by which Houses. The color of the numbered box in each Shire represents to which House that Shire belongs. Colors are defined in The Roll of Parliament spoiler above as well as on the board legend. This is important for determining Economic Victory; i.e. holding Shires during the game.

    Please ignore the tracks on the map, as we will not be using them.

    Estate Locations of Nobles Highlighted on Map

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  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    !signup

  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    This sounds interesting

    Though I will have very limited internet from the 26th-16th

  • KirindalKirindal Registered User regular
    Aye, M'Lord.

  • Dex DynamoDex Dynamo Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    I pledge my service.

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  • The BraysterThe Brayster UKRegistered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Sir Reginald BRAY will always be a keen servant to the House of Lancaster, the Prince of Wales, Lord of Ireland and King of England, our Liege Henry, 6th of his namesake.

    Hell yes to this, partly because I love this type of game, partly because I love this era of history. (Research of potential ancestry often points to this era, there are a few chancellors and knights of my surname originating/living in places I know my family live/originate from).

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Wow.
    I was just about to roll for Houses when The Brayster signed up.
    Since Houses may have 2 active Heirs, a senior and a junior, I suppose we could have 2 players for one of the Houses, with those players conferring on actions, or, just 4 players selected from the 5 by die rolls.
    Preferences?


    Actually, I think 4 players would be best.
    I'll roll them soon.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    Geth, roll 1d1000 for JusticeforPluto
    Geth, roll 1d1000 for Phyphor
    Geth, roll 1d1000 for Kirindal
    Geth, roll 1d1000 for Dex Dynamo
    Geth, roll 1d1000 for The Brayster

    JusticeforPluto:
    1d1000 59 [1d1000=59]
    Phyphor:
    1d1000 393 [1d1000=393]
    Kirindal:
    1d1000 176 [1d1000=176]
    Dex Dynamo:
    1d1000 337 [1d1000=337]
    The Brayster:
    1d1000 887 [1d1000=887]

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    That gives us:
    The Brayster as Lancaster
    Phyphor as York
    Dex Dynamo as Buckingham
    Kirindal as Warwick

    Sorry, JusticeforPluto.

    I'll PM players with info soon.

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  • Dex DynamoDex Dynamo Registered User regular
    Why don't you give my spot to JusticeforPluto? Then I'll take a reserve seat if you need one; that's fine!

  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    Please use these colors when posting in the thread:

    Lancaster - red
    York - grey
    Buckingham - goldenrod
    Warwick - dodgerblue

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    Dex Dynamo wrote: »
    Why don't you give my spot to JusticeforPluto? Then I'll take a reserve seat if you need one; that's fine!

    Awfully nice of you, Dex!
    JusticeforPluto is Buckingham.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Turn 1 - 1455-1456

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    An unhappy Richard, Duke of York, has returned from his post in Ireland, determined to carve out a place in the Court of Henry VI.


    Nobles and Heirs with multiple estates have been placed randomly.
    Office blocks are placed slightly under the possessing Noble.
    The color of the blocks isn't necessarily the House to which they belong.
    The border outline, which also has the House crest, is what shows to which House they are currently pledged.
    Red = Lancaster; White = York; Yellow = Buckingham; Blue = Warwick.

    Shrewsbury is not available during Turn 1 for any targeted activities or actions, as indicated by being placed in the Vacant Offices area.

    I will begin Turn 1 with any events that may occur.

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Stafford, and all York nobles except for Clarence don't appear in the Parliament listing. Does that mean anything?

  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Stafford is represented by the Buckingham block. They used their title names, as opposed to their family names.

    Since Crown of Roses is a 2 to 4 player game, 2 being Lancaster vs York, they put Buckingham's Heirs and Warwick's Heirs in the Roll, as they could be Influenced if they weren't controlled by a Human player. Since we are playing with 4, those marked with "Senior Heir" or "Heir" are locked into that House.

    Clarence, a Yorkist Noble, can become an Heir later in the game, if the situation is right, namely a number dead Yorkist Heirs. He may be Intrigued or Influenced by any player until he becomes the Senior Yorkist Heir.

    E - Richard of York can no more be moved from his House than Henry can from his, so there is no need to show them.

    EE - Stafford is in waiting on the Buckingham side and is not available to be acted upon.

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Sure, but what about Gloucester, March & Rutland? Presumably they are up for grabs for now?

  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    They, like the other Heirs, are waiting to enter the game.
    If they're not on the map, (including on the Roll), and listed in the Roll, they can't be acted upon.
    Consider them too young to be important, as of now.

    E - Clarence is in waiting on the Yorkist side and is not available to be acted upon, until he enters the game, unless he enters as an Heir.
    Currently, only Nobles that have their block on the map or Roll can be acted upon; eg. Montague & Rivers.
    Tan background ("Neutral") Nobles can always be acted upon.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Let me try to clean this concept up a bit.
    It's a bit messy.
    Here goes.

    Rule #1 - If they're not on the Roll, they can't be acted upon.
    Rule #2 - If their block is not on the map or the Roll, they can't be acted upon. (Eg. Southwick)

    Nobles marked with "Senior Heir" or "Heir" are locked into that House for the game. They represent a single personage and only leave the game at death of some sort.

    Nobles of House-colored backgrounds with the Crown marking, (upper-right in their boxes), are available to be acted upon until they become an Heir of that House, once a vacancy becomes available, and are then locked into that House for the game. They will be marked as such. Even if they are under another House's control, they will revert to their original House's cause upon becoming an Heir. They, also, represent a single personage and only leave the game at death of some sort.

    No Noble with an Heir counter on his box ever leaves his House's cause, except Clarence, who only is locked in when he becomes the Yorkist Senior Heir.

    Nobles of House-colored backgrounds without the Crown marking are heavy-leaners that start alligned with those Houses. They are available to be acted upon always, at a penalty indicated by the roses in their box. They represent a family lineage and do not leave the game at death, (as the son becomes available), although they do become unaligned at that time. They still retain their favoring of certain Houses.

    All tan background ("Neutral") Nobles can always be acted upon. They represent a family lineage and do not leave the game at death, (as the son becomes available), although they do become unaligned at that time. They, also, retain their favoring of certain Houses.

    Shrewsbury is not available during Turn 1 for any targeted activities or actions, as indicated by being placed in the Vacant Offices area.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Northumberland will not join Buckingham's cause nor Warwick's cause, under any circumstances, until sometime in the mid-1460's, as there is a feud going on between them.

    Opening events tonight.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    Turn 1 Opening Events

    Sir Andrew Trollope, a minor noble, pledges to the Lancastrian cause, offering political pull & a few military resources.
    (Not represented on the map.)

    The Archbishop of Canterbury makes known his favor for the cause of Warwick, offering political assistance.


    Turn 1 Orders

    Players now may set up their orders for Turn 1.
    Inter-player discussion and questions to the GM are, of course, encouraged.

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    How does shire control work? It doesn't seem to matter what armies are present

  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    Phyphor wrote: »
    How does shire control work? It doesn't seem to matter what armies are present

    If one player has blocks in a shire, he controls it.
    If multiple players have blocks in a shire, no one controls it.
    If no player has blocks in a shire it is controlled by the player whose color is in the shire box, unless it's black. Then no one controls it.

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    Ah, so the blocks only represent default control. Got it

  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    I would say boxes.
    Blocks are the units, at least in the physical game.
    Not to get too picky...
    :P

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    Oops!
    Revisited Influence rules.

    Rule #1 - If they're not on the Roll, they can't be acted upon.
    Rule #2 - If their block is not on the map or the Roll, they can't be acted upon. (Eg. Southwick)

    Rule #3 - Ignore Rule #2!
    All Nobles on the Roll can be acted upon, unless they are marked "Senior Heir" or "Heir".

    So, Southwick, and others, are available to be talked to until they become an actual Heir.
    He likes to chat with others!

    Sorry for the confusion.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    Cleaned up the Parliament rules in the Player Doc in the OP.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    A clarification.
    The Influence/Intrigue "currency" is the same that is used to vote for who gets which of the seven non-Royal Offices.
    The more spent here, the less available there.

    There will be Parliament this turn, as there is the vacant Office of Lord Treasurer.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Another clarification on orders.

    Militarily, you basically are ordering your units to move and/or possibly fight, to take Shires or kill enemy units, as well as protect each other and the Heirs. No need to mention defense, as units will defend automatically.
    All units of one House in a Shire are considered as one force.
    Name the Nobles/Heirs, where you may want them to go and what they may do if they encounter other forces. You may be after a certain enemy Noble or just trying to get to friendlier lands. Intent is what I'm after here. Results occur in the Resolution Phase.

    For Influence & Intrigue, you are either trying to convince enemy Nobles to join your side or friendly Nobles to stay on your side.
    These are the easier orders.
    Just name the Noble target and put an effort level to it, eg. medium.
    The Influence/Intrigue "currency" is the same that is used to vote for who gets which of the seven non-Royal Offices. The more spent here, the less available there.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    I'll get to this tonight or tomorrow.
    Forgive your court jester's sloth, M'Lords!
    Too much strong ale over the weekend...

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  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    Off the the dungeon with ye!

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited August 2015
    Turn 1 - 1455-1456

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    Military Orders
    Lancaster Moves - Clifford moved to Cumberland and Exeter moved to Buckingham.
    York Moves - York moved to Chester and Essex moved to Hertford.
    Buckingham Moves - None
    Warwick Moves - None


    Events
    Earl of March joins the York cause in Ireland as the Junior Heir.
    Lord Southwick joins the Buckingham cause in Wiltshire as the Junior Heir, (and should/will have an Heir marker on his Roll box.)


    Influence & Intrigues
    Kent switches to the Lancaster cause in Flint.
    Worcester joins the York cause in Hampshire.
    Somerset switches to the Warwick cause in Dorset.


    Parliament
    The King now chooses the location of Parliament, which is required, as the Office of Treasurer is open.
    Players will then list which of their Nobles will attend.
    The vote for King is the first order of business.

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  • The BraysterThe Brayster UKRegistered User regular
    I, Henry, sixth of my name, would like to appeal to all lords of their God-given duty, not only to myself, but to the realm.

    In these troubled times, we require strong leadership. I, as son of the senior house of Plantagenet, pledge to you, my loyal retainers, that I will provide the strong leadership required to pull England through these troubled times.

    Our Plantagenet Empire in France will not be forgotten. Once we have our own house in order, we will regain the glory of the realm.

    I would like to call a parliament in London, and expect all lords to attend as necessary
    .

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    List which Nobles of yours will attend Parliament in London using the private PMs between player & GM.

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  • JusticeforPlutoJusticeforPluto Registered User regular
    Any chance we could get a consolidated list of who stands with who?

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited September 2015
    Current Allegiances

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    Lancaster
    Henry VI - Senior Heir - King
    Margaret
    Exeter - Admiral
    Northumberland - Warden
    Beaumont
    Clifford
    Kent
    Pembroke

    York
    York - Senior Heir - Lt of Ireland
    March - Junior Heir
    Norfolk - Marshal
    Essex
    Lovel
    Suffolk
    Worcester

    Buckingham
    Buckingham - Senior Heir - Chancellor
    Southwick - Junior Heir
    Audley
    DeRos
    Devon
    Hastings
    Ormonde
    Oxford

    Warwick
    Salisbury - Senior Heir
    Warwick - Junior Heir - Cpt of Calais
    Fauconberg
    Herbert
    Montague
    Scrope
    Somerset

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  • PhyphorPhyphor Building Planet Busters Tasting FruitRegistered User regular
    York is also Lt of Ireland. Everybody forgets about the Irish!

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    FYI -
    A Senior Heir must be attending Parliament to be considered for The Kingship.
    If only one Senior Heir of all four attends, he will be declared King without a vote.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited September 2015
    Point of Order, M'Lords.
    The gaining of supporters by Influence, Intrigue & Events takes place after the counting of Economic VPs, (total Shires controlled), and the movement to Parliament. This is to ensure that the faction holding shires by Nobles get that credit before they may be turned to another cause. The Player Doc has been adjusted.
    What this means for this turn is March - York Junior Heir & Southwick - Buckingham Junior Heir are not in the game yet. They will not be at Parliament and will be placed in their Home Estates afterwards.
    The Nobles which switched sides, Kent, Worcester & Somerset, arrive at Parliament, and then announce their changes of heart.


    Victory Status

    Turns As King
    Lancaster = 0
    York = 0
    Buckingham = 0
    Warwick = 0

    Economic VPs
    Lancaster = 6
    York = 10
    Buckingham = 7
    Warwick = 6



    Parliament in London

    Lancaster Attending
    Henry VI - Senior Heir - King
    Kent
    Pembroke

    Lancaster Not Attending
    Margaret
    Exeter - Admiral
    Northumberland - Warden
    Beaumont
    Clifford


    York Attending
    York - Senior Heir - Lt of Ireland
    Norfolk - Marshal
    Essex
    Suffolk
    Worcester

    York Not Attending
    Lovel


    Buckingham Attending
    Buckingham - Senior Heir - Chancellor
    Audley
    DeRos
    Devon
    Hastings
    Ormonde
    Oxford

    Buckingham Not Attending
    NONE


    Warwick Attending
    Warwick - Junior Heir - Cpt of Calais
    Somerset

    Warwick Not Attending
    Salisbury - Senior Heir
    Fauconberg
    Herbert
    Montague
    Scrope



    Time to vote for King!
    Please PM me your selection for a Senior Heir in attendance to act as or remain King.

    E - Ties are resolved by the current King.

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  • stever777stever777 AFK most Saturdays Registered User regular
    edited September 2015
    After much deliberation, the vote is final!

    With the most support of both Nobles and Commoners, including Warwick's, Richard of York is named Lord Protector!
    (King for game purposes.)
    Lancaster & Buckingham supported their own Senior Heirs.


    York will be giving up his Office of Lt of Ireland.

    Voting for Offices is the next point of business.
    First up is the Office of Lord Treasurer.
    Please PM me the House you will support to claim this Office and how much of your Influence you will put behind it, remembering there are 2 other Offices to vote on, Lt of Ireland & one other to be determined randomly.

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