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Bloodbath on Thalys train prevented by off-duty marines and civillian
bwanie
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Apparently 2 American marines in civ duds heard the sound of an automatic weapon being loaded in the bathroom.
They jumped the guy with help from a british citizen when he came out shooting. One marine got injured.
Suspect is of moroccan decent.
fuck fuck im am shaking.
They jumped the guy with help from a british citizen when he came out shooting. One marine got injured.
Suspect is of moroccan decent.
fuck fuck im am shaking.
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Still...whooooof. That could have been stupendously worse.
anyway this is a good day
is a couple of well-trained good guys without guns
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
The moment when the two of them realized what the sound was must have been...interesting.
The Daily Mail's report says that they noticed the guy being sketchy on the platform and kept an eye on him...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3206426/U-S-Marines-armed-gunman-onboard-high-speed-train-Amsterdam-Paris.html
Fortunate that they were able to do so, but I'd be surprised if they didn't wish they weren't unarmed.
I don't even own a gun and this is the kind of smarmy, teeth-grinding shit that makes me hope that people in America who desire to responsibly carry for self-defense and defense of others continue to have the option. But the teeth are ground, so rest easy that you got what you came for.
It's also the Daily Mail, which means I need a saltshaker.
I'm sure they wished they had 10 other people with them. And that it didn't happen at all. And a host of other things.
Instead, it turns out they just didn't need guns.
Perhaps, ideally, a knife. Luckily, a train is one of the worst environments imaginable for a rifle, with tight corridors, limited sight lines, and bumps from movement (at least stateside, I'd imagine Euro trains might be smoother). Depending on how narrow the specific area was, it is entirely possible that nothing less than a perfect angle with the rifle could plausibly injury someone (this does not imply there was not substantial danger, because while a rifle isn't great for opposed combat on a train, a turkey shoot is a turkey shoot).
Having reasonably equivalent training to those involved, while there are scenarios I could deal with being unarmed, there is never any scenario in which I'm in a life-threatening fight that I would prefer to be unarmed over having a firearm, knife, bludgeon, or whatever, as appropriate for the conditions. Even non-functional firearms or helmets offer some pretty cool possibilities that you don't have unarmed.
I'm very glad they ended it without especially serious injuries to innocent people.
Edit: This isn't advocating for any specific policy position, because while I have them, they are off-topic. Merely talking about the concept as it relates to this incident or similar incidents.
I also kind of worry I'm too rusty to still do something like this if my life depended on it.
Hope the wounded recover quickly and get to enjoy a proper, uneventful vacation. These guys deserve medals and to fast track their next promotions.
Man, that would have been a disaster. Even if the train immediately hit the brakes so passengers could flee, terrorist dude could have murdered who knows how many before the train came to a stop.
And what's the crew reference, i don't understand the whole lock thing?
https://news.vice.com/article/eyewitness-describes-france-train-attack-foiled-by-2-us-service-members
@Taranis The Nasty Girls getting some action. So clearly, you aren't too rusty. :bzz:
Also, looking like Islamic terrorism, if I had to guess, because of course it is.
Some video:
(minor swearing if at work)
That easily sounds like something the Daily Mail would make up to justify their "be suspicious of Johnny Foreigner all the time" stance.
Also, I don't think that dude has to worry about buying beer for the next little while. If I know soldiers, his unit is going to go nuts.
I'm pretty sure with the circumstances he'll get extended medical leave with normal pay, the guy is a god damn hero and with elections coming up no one wants to be the one who fucked him over.
Over in the bad news thread someone asked how they might recognize the sound of an AK being loaded. Chances are this guy didn't just load a magazine into the rifle, I'm guessing he was placing cartridges into the magazine before loading the rifle, probably was in the midst of assembling the whole dang thing in the stall. If you've ever placed a cartridge in a magazine, it makes a pretty distinct noise, one that you're not going to be hearing when someone's supposed to be taking a shit.
Thankfully there were people around that recognized it, and were at least trained in the basics of self-defense or this one would have gone way bad.
I imagine that he's going to be given the most affectionate hard time he's ever had. Especially since initial news reports had him in the marines.
While this does fit an unfortunate trend in France, this is not the best way to phrase it.
Also, it isn't 'Islamic terrorism'. It's overwhelmingly Wahhabism extremists involved in the violence, and this is as important a distinction to make as the one between the KKK (or other paramilitary groups) and Christianity as a whole.
Go somewhere else you unfunny goose.
I think that going forward, I'm going to try to use the term Wahhabist terrorist.
Seriously. These kind of jokes are the fucking worst.
I have seen a lot of people making fun of the french about this as a famous actor cut his hand getting to the alarm.
A: a french dude ended up getting shot by trying to stop the shooter before the Americans got to him.
B: It's a train. Seeing the video posted there is no way more then 2-3 people could rush him without getting themselves caught up. Going for the alarm is 100% what you should be doing.
Extremist methods for dangerously close to mainstream thought.
The gunman is using the best defense ever:
"The AK47 I brought on the train with me isn't mine. Also, you know how sometimes you bring an arsenal onto a train by accident, and it suddenly goes off, and then someone takes your rifle away, and suddenly a boxcutter jumps into your hand and slashes at people? Yeah, Fridays, am I right?"
Do you have anything to support your claim that the majority - which is what I presume you mean by the 'maintream' of Islam adherents - shares Wahhabi militant attitudes about violence & Jihad?
That is one desperat public defender.
It seems a lot of the people who have committed acts of terror lately have been on some kind of watchlist, which begs the question: Are the lists to large to effectively monitor or does the intelligence community need ressources to properly conduct some kind of action?
I dunno what Frances weapon laws are like but I presume the AK probably wasn't legal.
Go to an emergency room and not worry about it. Our insurance covers emergency and urgent care anywhere.
Action could also be outreach from social workers or authorities. Either to steer potential candidates away from an attack or just to say: "hey, we're watching you, don't do anything stupid".
The outreach programs are considered a success in Denmark (the Aarhus-model), obviously you can't quantify how many, if any, attacks has been deterred by the programs. It just seems that the intelligence services are not sharing information or the information isn't acted upon.
Better call Tricare within 24 hours tho!