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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Imran wrote: »
    If they like money, that is.
    Yes, because liking money equates to developing something at four times the cost for a smaller install base.

    What makes you think the game would sell better or generate more profit when it's more expensive to create, more costly to buy, not portable, for a more expensive system, when even the psuedo-full fledged titles bombed?

    Newsflash, guys. Even though Pokemon Annoying Smiley wasn't what you wanted, it was Nintendo's attempt at testing the market for a console Pokemon RPG cheaply. A real one would require a massive budget for much less payoff than you'd get from a handheld game.

    Well shit man I guess they should just drop out of the home console market and make all their games for handhelds I mean that's where the money is right?

    Food for thought: the number of pokemon players outnumbers the number of Wii owners. Do you know what a full fledged Pokemon RPG on Wii would do? Move consoles.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I always kind of felt that the traditional pokemon games sorta kinda felt like RPGs as they were. Walk around a big world, talk to people, get into little menu-based battles... etc.


    MMO though? I can see that being a big deal if they could do it right. But whatever, i'm no pokemon fanatic.

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Graviija wrote: »
    Nintendo should probably make, you know, an actual full-fledged Pokemon RPG for Wii.

    If they like money, that is.
    I don't understand why they haven't done this.

    Just take the exact handheld formula, make it really pretty, and then release it to rave reviews and ridiculous sales.

    I guess they may be worried about being called lazy or unimaginative, but damn, it's about time.
    It would obviously sell well, but I don't think the Pokemon main-series RPGs would benefit much, if at all, from being on consoles. They're simple enough that the core gameplay works as well on a handheld as it would on a console, and you lose the ability to battle anyone anywhere, play on the bus, etc. It would be pretty sweet in full 3D with pretty graphics though.

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  • KlykaKlyka DO you have any SPARE BATTERIES?Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Who even WANTS to move Wii consoles?

    The Wii doesn't need any game to move consoles cause it is selling out everywhere as it is!

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  • StigmaStigma Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    Graviija wrote: »
    Nintendo should probably make, you know, an actual full-fledged Pokemon RPG for Wii.

    If they like money, that is.
    I don't understand why they haven't done this.

    Just take the exact handheld formula, make it really pretty, and then release it to rave reviews and ridiculous sales.

    I guess they may be worried about being called lazy or unimaginative, but damn, it's about time.
    It would obviously sell well, but I don't think the Pokemon main-series RPGs would benefit much, if at all, from being on consoles. They're simple enough that the core gameplay works as well on a handheld as it would on a console, and you lose the ability to battle anyone anywhere, play on the bus, etc. It would be pretty sweet in full 3D with pretty graphics though.

    It's based on a cartoon though : /
    2D all the way!

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Klyka wrote: »
    Who even WANTS to move Wii consoles?

    The Wii doesn't need any game to move consoles cause it is selling out everywhere as it is!
    This raises the question, do Nintendo really need to release Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Smash Bros. all this year?

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Stigma wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    Graviija wrote: »
    Nintendo should probably make, you know, an actual full-fledged Pokemon RPG for Wii.

    If they like money, that is.
    I don't understand why they haven't done this.

    Just take the exact handheld formula, make it really pretty, and then release it to rave reviews and ridiculous sales.

    I guess they may be worried about being called lazy or unimaginative, but damn, it's about time.
    It would obviously sell well, but I don't think the Pokemon main-series RPGs would benefit much, if at all, from being on consoles. They're simple enough that the core gameplay works as well on a handheld as it would on a console, and you lose the ability to battle anyone anywhere, play on the bus, etc. It would be pretty sweet in full 3D with pretty graphics though.

    It's based on a cartoon though : /
    2D all the way!
    The game actually came first. And Wii couldn't do these kind of graphics, but if there was a Pokemon RPG that looked like Blue Dragon or Eternal Sonata it would be pretty awesome.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    That Pokemon battle coliseum game looks pretty damn nice. But that game is the typical boring battle game rather than a fullfledged Pokemon game / rpg /whatever.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    Klyka wrote: »
    Who even WANTS to move Wii consoles?

    The Wii doesn't need any game to move consoles cause it is selling out everywhere as it is!
    This raises the question, do Nintendo really need to release Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Smash Bros. all this year?



    They should release Prime 3 just because everyone has been patient for it. Galaxy they should release to counterbalance all the awesome coming out for the other systems this fall; Galaxy has potential to sell well to hardcore and casual gamers, which could feasibly become the "New Super Mario Bros." for the Wii.



    So, in the short run, it's probably not necessary to release these heavy hitters this year, but I think that these games' releases could go far to help the impression people have of the system as having important games at important times.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    Klyka wrote: »
    Who even WANTS to move Wii consoles?

    The Wii doesn't need any game to move consoles cause it is selling out everywhere as it is!
    This raises the question, do Nintendo really need to release Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Smash Bros. all this year?

    Yes they do, if they don't want to see all their sold Wii's go up on eBay.

    I'm guessing that Mario Galaxy will be a Summer 08 title, and Smash Bros. won't make it in time for Christmas, however.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So you're saying that they're not going to have a flagship title for the holidays?

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I also question just how heavy of a hitter Metroid Prime 3 will be. Metroid Prime 2 had disappointing sales, didn't it? Compared to MP1, at least?

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So you're saying that they're not going to have a flagship title for the holidays?

    They will probably be able to churn out another Wario Ware or Brain Age or Mario Party/Golf/Soccer/Cricket/Olympics/Badminton/Not Kart by the holidays but I really don't think we are going to see a AAA title around then unless Metroid Prime 3 gets pushed back some more. When Christmas time comes I think Nintendo is going to come out swinging with the casual titles to try and swallow up more of that expanded market.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Nintendo has had a pretty good streak lately. Besides Zelda which was pushed back for obvious reasons they have pretty much delivered on advertised release dates. Metroid Prime has an actual date and will come out very soon. Brawl probably will considering all the attention it is getting. I could see Galaxy going next year though as it is a game that demands to be done right.

    There is a good chance that by the time E3 and/or the TGS runs their respective courses that Wii Sports 2 might be the heavy hitter this holiday season.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    If Brawl makes it out before Christmas, I suspect it won't meet everyone's lofty expectations. Especially where online play is concerned.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    If Brawl makes it out before Christmas, I suspect it won't meet everyone's lofty expectations. Especially where online play is concerned.

    No, it's pretty much expected to meet and exceed expectations, and it will be out this Christmas. Everything about the game reeks of polish. From the screenshots to the levels to the choice of musicians. The game is going to be the gold standard.

    As long as it has 1 v 1 online I would be more than happy, more than I was expecting actually. I wouldn't be hurt too much if it didn't have it though.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    It's expected to meet expectations? Do you always expect your expectations to be expected to be true?

    I'm telling you that if Smash Bros is rushed to meet a holiday deadline, it won't meet expectations. It is most likely that the online component would take the biggest hit by a rush job.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    It's expected to meet expectations? Do you always expect your expectations to be expected to be true?

    I'm telling you that if Smash Bros is rushed to meet a holiday deadline, it won't meet expectations. It is most likely that the online component would take the biggest hit by a rush job.

    Rushed? Who ever said anything about rushing? There has already been a report by someone who has played the game (Kojima) that said the title was polished to a point where they could have released the game right at that moment and it would be awesome and sell truckloads. This was what, two months ago?

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Absolute is just saying that it would be a shame if they released Smash before the online network is fully in place and reliable, functional, and intuitive.


    Smash could be the 'killer app' for the Wii Online service. They just have to get the service fully up and running so that the game can sell the service and vice versa. Synergy.


    Rather than selling a massively popular game and have it not reach its potential in the online-related aspect; due not to the game itself, rather, but the service on which it has to run.

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  • WordherderWordherder Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I'm guessing that Mario Galaxy will be a Summer 08 title, and Smash Bros. won't make it in time for Christmas, however.

    Why? They've both been in development for a long time.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    I'm guessing that Mario Galaxy will be a Summer 08 title, and Smash Bros. won't make it in time for Christmas, however.

    Why? They've both been in development for a long time.

    It's how Nintendo rolls. I don't blame them for delaying games like crazy, so long as they turn out completely kickass. That said, I really hope Galaxy isn't another Sunshine.

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  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So.... wait.

    Absolutezero what is the backing for ANY of the things you are saying?


    It's like, everything you're saying is nonsense. Did you forget the part where SSBB and SMG are already confirmed and slated for release this year? OR how you glean the quality of SSBB from.... no where? Sakurai has already stated online isn't top priority.

    And sunshine was awesome.... ugh.

    UGH, AZ.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So you're saying that they're not going to have a flagship title for the holidays?

    They will probably be able to churn out another Wario Ware or Brain Age or Mario Party/Golf/Soccer/Cricket/Olympics/Badminton/Not Kart by the holidays but I really don't think we are going to see a AAA title around then unless Metroid Prime 3 gets pushed back some more. When Christmas time comes I think Nintendo is going to come out swinging with the casual titles to try and swallow up more of that expanded market.

    Wait wait wait wait wait.

    Nintendo is going to respond to the fuckton of triple A 360 titles coming out around the holidays not with any of the amazing titles that they've been working on for over a year now, but rather with one or two rushed casual games that have hitherto not been announced? That's their plan?

    I've got to ask you a question, and I really need you to think about it and respond to me truthfully.

    Are you even thinking about what you're typing?

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  • Irredeemably IndecisiveIrredeemably Indecisive WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Are you even thinking about what you're typing?

    Hes from Minnesota. It's sorta what they do (or... don't do).

    If 2 of the big 3 don't come out by December 31 of this year, I'll.... kiss a flatlander.

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  • KlykaKlyka DO you have any SPARE BATTERIES?Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    But, no one cares about your so called AAA titles.

    People who want the Wii will buy the Wii regardless of any Smash. Bros. or Metroid.
    And believe me, none of them will go "Oh I will just buy a 360 cause so many good games come out".
    They aren't in the 360s target range.

    They are Wii buyers. That alone should tell you that they are NOT that interested in the other consoles.
    And I am of course talking about normal people and NOT people like us who go "I own a Wii AND a 360".
    The "expanded market" won't do that. They try to buy a Wii and play Wii Sports. And then Wii sports 2.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Klyka wrote: »
    But, no one cares about your so called AAA titles.

    People who want the Wii will buy the Wii regardless of any Smash. Bros. or Metroid.
    And believe me, none of them will go "Oh I will just buy a 360 cause so many good games come out".
    They aren't in the 360s target range.

    They are Wii buyers. That alone should tell you that they are NOT that interested in the other consoles.
    And I am of course talking about normal people and NOT people like us who go "I own a Wii AND a 360".
    The "expanded market" won't do that. They try to buy a Wii and play Wii Sports. And then Wii sports 2.

    That's certainly a valid point, and I wholeheartedly believe that there will be plenty of casual games for the holidays. However, as of now, we've heard jack shit about any of them. SMG and Brawl, however, we've been hearing about since before the Wii's release. The idea that so far unannounced titles will make it to the holiday season when highly anticipated titles that have been confirmed to be in development for roughly a year now seems very strange.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    SirToons wrote: »
    So.... wait.

    Absolutezero what is the backing for ANY of the things you are saying?


    It's like, everything you're saying is nonsense. Did you forget the part where SSBB and SMG are already confirmed and slated for release this year? OR how you glean the quality of SSBB from.... no where? Sakurai has already stated online isn't top priority.

    And sunshine was awesome.... ugh.

    UGH, AZ.

    Those same games were confirmed and slated to launch along side the Wii, too.

    All games take a long time to develop, especially games with a lot of meat like Smash Bros. All we've seen is a handful of character models and stages. There's no reason to believe the game is anywhere near finished. Online may not be top priority but that isn't going to stop the vast majority of peoples' expectations for online Smash.

    Sunshine wasn't half the game Mario 64 was.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    All games take a long time to develop, especially games with a lot of meat like Smash Bros. All we've seen is a handful of character models and stages. There's no reason to believe the game is anywhere near finished. Online may not be top priority but that isn't going to stop the vast majority of peoples' expectations for online Smash.

    Actually I'm pretty sure Kojima in an interview said that they could release the game right now and at the moment they're in the polishing stage.

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  • EtericEteric Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I'm not surprised at the lack of announcements so far. This is Nintendo after all.

    If there aren't many announcements at E3, I'll be pissed. If there aren't many at TGS, I'll be furious.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I remember Kojima saying it played well, I don't remember any of that other stuff.

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  • mausmalonemausmalone Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    SirToons wrote: »
    So.... wait.

    Absolutezero what is the backing for ANY of the things you are saying?


    It's like, everything you're saying is nonsense. Did you forget the part where SSBB and SMG are already confirmed and slated for release this year? OR how you glean the quality of SSBB from.... no where? Sakurai has already stated online isn't top priority.

    And sunshine was awesome.... ugh.

    UGH, AZ.

    Those same games were confirmed and slated to launch along side the Wii, too.

    All games take a long time to develop, especially games with a lot of meat like Smash Bros. All we've seen is a handful of character models and stages. There's no reason to believe the game is anywhere near finished. Online may not be top priority but that isn't going to stop the vast majority of peoples' expectations for online Smash.

    Sunshine wasn't half the game Mario 64 was.

    The reason you haven't seen or heard much of these games (and therefore think they're not nearing completion) is that Nintendo is holding back for E3, just like everybody else in the industry. It just seems weird because we're used to E3 coming earlier in the year.

    I'm sure that if anybody reading this forum works for a print gaming magazine, they probably get a chuckle about the things we assume and assert when they know different (because they get a lot of stuff 2 months early to account for print deadlines).

    For example, Play next month will be reporting hands-on impressions from Metroid Prime 3 (supposedly glowing ones) ... but because of the way print deadlines work, they probably already played it and wrote it up a few weeks ago.

    MP3 and SMG both seem "unfinished" because we haven't heard about either for months... but after E3 we'll have a better idea about when they might be coming out. But with everything that's been going up on smashbros.com, I can't imagine they have much to finish at this point (aside from polish, region adaptation, and game testing).
    I remember Kojima saying it played well, I don't remember any of that other stuff.

    http://gonintendo.com/?p=16957 ... second paragraph

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I really, really think Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros. will be out before Christmas, and we'll have solid dates for them at E3 maybe.

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  • SpaceDrakeSpaceDrake Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Mario Galaxy is a maybe. Smash Bros. is a certainty. When Hideo Kojima says you're golden, you're fucking golden. I expect this game to burn retinas when it comes out.

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  • JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    I'm guessing that Mario Galaxy will be a Summer 08 title, and Smash Bros. won't make it in time for Christmas, however.

    Is this one of them "cock-eating" predictions?

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    So, Nintendo's market cap is now higher than Sony's.

    This makes them one of the top ten most valuable Japanese companies:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUST20464320070625?pageNumber=1

    I think that's pretty amazing for a company that is totally devoted to gaming.

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  • KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Marlor wrote: »
    So, Nintendo's market cap is now higher than Sony's.

    This makes them one of the top ten most valuable Japanese companies:
    http://www.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUST20464320070625?pageNumber=1

    I think that's pretty amazing for a company that is totally devoted to gaming.

    I was just about to post that.

    So... Yeah. What does this mean? They're now worth more than Sony?

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  • ZenitramZenitram Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Nintendo to buy Sony in 5 years.

    And then purge shares.

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    KiTA wrote: »
    So... Yeah. What does this mean? They're now worth more than Sony?

    That's right. The total value of their shares is higher than the total value of Sony's.

    Basically, it means that "the market" thinks that Nintendo is a more valuable company than Sony.

    Given that Sony produces a much more diverse range of products, that's a pretty amazing outcome.

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  • KiTAKiTA Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    Marlor wrote: »
    KiTA wrote: »
    So... Yeah. What does this mean? They're now worth more than Sony?

    That's right. The total value of their shares is higher than the total value of Sony's.

    Basically, it means that "the market" thinks that Nintendo is a more valuable company than Sony.

    Given that Sony produces a much more diverse range of products, that's a pretty amazing outcome.

    Have they always been close, and this was just a modest jump, or is this a huge shakeup?

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited June 2007
    KiTA wrote: »
    Have they always been close, and this was just a modest jump, or is this a huge shakeup?

    Nintendo has been closing on Sony for the last couple of years.

    Sony's share price really hasn't been doing all that badly, despite their problems. It has increased at a faster rate than the overall Nikkei index over the past couple of years, going from ¥4000 in late 2005 to a high off ¥7190 last month. However, it has dropped down to ¥6500 since then.

    It's really a case that Nintendo are just doing astoundingly well. I mean, their share price has quadrupled over the past two years. It's pretty amazing, and it shows that the market has a lot of confidence in them.

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