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Penny Arcade - Comic - Vox Something Or Other
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Penny Arcade - Comic - Vox Something Or Other
Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.
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Remove, maybe, but I'm not sure about moderating. A firm hand to cut out GIFT can do wonders for actually discussing the issue.
Comment sections aren't inherently good or bad, they're a tool that can be (mis)used.
i've seen comments sections on fire off the shoulder of Youtube
To go from having forums and comments to not is a very bold measure and in itself a statement: "We don't care about what you have to say." It's very uncouth.
I cannot for the life of me uncover what LGML is an acronym for
Let Go My (L)Eggo!
Yes, we have this forum/comic thread, but the forum credo is literally "Gabe and Tycho do not read the forums".
edit: I was just informed there is a comments section that just pulls from this thread. I have been coming here for over a decade and didn't know it existed, which kinda goes to show how effective comments sections are.
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that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Vastly more people are aware of the comments but not the forums than know about the forums but not the comments. There's also no "just pulling from the thread", it's the other way around. You are posting in the Penny Arcade comments right now. You're just using a different interface. So as for how effective they are, well, you're using them aren't you?
Well they show up every once in a blue moon, so they are "reading" the forums. They just purposely don't want anybody to know about it....which defeats the purpose and undercuts their own message. They don't want it to be easy to contact them, I guess? God forbid people pester them.
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Much as it would be to my benefit to pretend it were so, Vanilla isn't the only comments system that allows moderation. Essentially all of them do. If comments are unmoderated (they shouldn't be), it's because of a lack of will or staffing resources.
The "GABE AND TYCHO DON'T READ THE FORUMS" isn't really related to criticism or comments. It's there because we don't want to spend half of every day sifting through the Great Idea For A Comic that people have.
"Robert asked me once how I’d feel about comments after my newspost; I laughed at him for ten minutes, without breathing."
well right I mean, obviously none of the actual software involved is totally bereft of mod tools. I'm just saying in the case of PA, it runs through the moderation process they already have in place, as opposed to what happens on other sites/comments.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
(Ok, probably not)
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The title is a reference (I am pretty sure) to the latin phrase "Vox populi, vox dei" which means something like "The voice of the people is the voice of God."
This is just an extension of Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory—regardless of the content of the article, if more than a critical mass of ~100 people read it, the comments will collapse into a Fuckwad Condensate that appears to any observer to consist entirely of "libtards," "fukin sheeple," "gay n****rs," and "v14gr4".
The stupidity and genuine malice is often more disheartening than the trolling. As I've watched comment sections go away, I actually found myself applauding. I mean, big ups to nerds having a voice on teh webz, but in the absence of a strong moderation system, I think getting rid of comments makes the world a better place.
Personally, I don't believe in moderation of forums or comment sections, beyond the obvious of removing illegal material/death threats/personal information/spam.
Users should just have the ability to mute/block anyone they communicate with. Self-moderation. Beyond that moderation only exists to protect people's precious feelings and silence anyone the larger community disagrees with or doesn't like. It's childish and foolish on its face.
I would go further and suggest that nothing of value has ever occurred in any comments section ever.
As for the comment, my experience has been that people that defend comments sections are:
1. Extremely unfamiliar with the internet at large.
2. The reason said comments sections suck.
So...which camp to G&T belong to?
If that's the case, then God must be a raging asshole.
Huh...I guess that explains a lot.
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Yeah, from my experience, a lot of people believe that until their feelings are the ones that are hurt. I've been infracted on MMO-Champion more times than I can count for going against their "anti-PC" slant (or being anti-PC, but not in a way they deemed appropriate), without them being the slightest bit aware of the irony.
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I feel like in general, comments sections aren't a good way to gather serious feedback on something.
Comment sections should be there to give the audience an outlet to discuss the material they are viewing, debate about it, vent their feelings on it, and provide relevant information on it.
It's there for the audience, not the proprietor.
If a media outlet or ANY producers of media genuinely want feedback, they should provide a separate area (perhaps something as simple as a tab that switches between comment posting and feedback posting under said article/video) specifically for viewers to provide it.
Steam is a wonderfully transparent and open platform with very little moderation, where players can discuss and review any content on the distribution system and has been well utilized by developers to gather feedback on their products.
Or it replicates the last century of print media's solution for reader feedback...
Either/or really.
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From my perspective, if you don't like comment sections, you're free to ignore them. But I don't get the point in shutting them off. Even if you aren't getting feedback from them, it closes down the #1 avenue for folks reading your content to discuss that content.
people who actually, earnestly use this phrase are exactly the reason comments sections are the worst idea
http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2014/sep/12/comment-sections-toxic-moderation
You realize the entire reason this community isn't a total cesspool like other sites is because of Tube and company's very strong moderation, right? I wouldn't want to be anywhere near this place if it looked like a YouTube comments section.
I'm pretty sad that this is the stance that Mike and Jerry have taken.
Edit: it's also terrible because motherboard still allows comment letters which will be posted later like the old letters the editor that you'd see in papers. This means they'll be filtered through their editorial department and some comments will be discarded, but so what? It's vice's publication, and it's as much their right to decide what speech appears on their content as it is for you to submit it.
Like, that may well be how it turns out, but I expect there'll be a little more reason there.
They probably are aware of it, yes. A lot of people see that as a net negative of the forums, believing that a lasseiz-faire approach is inherently better and moderation should be minimal at best. There isn't really a debate to be had over it, because it really boils down to "this thing should be more like the type of thing I like", and the thing in question isn't interested in being that. Nor, generally, are we trying to appeal to the userbase that would prefer that.
It's worth noting that I've never known anyone who manages communities for a living who seriously entertains the notion of lasseiz-faire moderation, even though it would obviously make our jobs a lot easier.