New [Steven Universe] episodes starting July 18

Ms Dapper

MegaMek

Blankzilla wrote: »

It Could Have Been Great

PERIDOT SINGING EEEEEEEEEE

Her learning to sing is probably my favorite bit of this whole week.

Speed Racer

i can't wait to see peridot go on a date with a log

The Geek

BronzeKoopa wrote: »

The Geek wrote: »

GoldenSeducer wrote: »

It Could've Been Great

I still think Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond. I base this on Steven activating the panel.

Peridot didn't know how to turn the panel on, Steven climbed into a chair only the "most elite" could sit in. The "most elite" are Diamonds. Because Steven has Rose Quartz's gem, he was able to activate the panel. Once activated, anyone can use the system.

Basically, the system was locked to everyone without admin access.

I'm not buying the "only Steven could have activated it" theory. It's not that Peridot couldn't, she just didn't know how. Steven was familiar with the hand print activation because he'd seen it before.

I do like the "she's not a diamond because everyone would have recognized her mural in that big room" idea.

But then I also think, well, she could have easily altered her appearance and changed her name when she defected.

And then I think further, maybe nobody knows she's a diamond because of that change and she used the new name/shape to pull off a con that she actually defeated and broke the diamond she used to be, which is why she was feared/respected by many.

Watching the episode again there is no mural for a pink diamond in that moon base. You can see that the spot where the mural would be based on the diamond pattern on the floor. The pink side is towards the door hatch Amethyst opened.

Nope there is

definitely pink there

Viskod

The theory about Lion being Pink Diamond in some way is something I like, but it made me think what if Rose was Pink Diamond but somehow gave up her Diamondness or what have you when she renounced the position and Lion is a physical representation of that former power of hers.

Indie Winter

Gvzbgul wrote: »

fanart/speculation

http://americanmuffins.tumblr.com/post/136830012448/i-subscribe-to-the-theory-that-the-diamonds-are

I subscribe to the theory that the diamonds are all fusions and Pink Diamond was a fusion of Rose Quartz and Bismuth (the gem bubbled in Lion) and that the mural depicted here is actually the conflict between Rose Quartz (who fought for Earth) and Bismuth (who sided with Homeworld).

This is my interpretation of Rose Quartz’s and Bismuth’s fusion - Pink Diamond!

Makes a lot of sense and fills the gap between "Rose was the Pink Diamon," which has its issues and "Rose isn't the Pink Diamond," which seems anti-climatic.

this is

a good theory

Ms Dapper

From Rebecca Sugar's tumblr

Ok you guys, you gotta understand. Tonight’s episode featured, as our guest star, THE LEGENDARY PATTI LUPONE!!!

I literally could not sleep the night before this record. I was jumping up and down after. This is the first voice she’s done for animation which is a mind blowing honor! I can’t believe our show is a speck in the legacy of Patti LuPone. I saw her in Sweeney Todd in 2005, it was life changing for me. She played Mrs. Lovett while hauling around and performing the Tuba onstage. I saw her again in Gypsy and I still get chills thinking about it. Seriously you guys. This is Evita.

InvisibleInk

Alucard6986 wrote: »

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since she's voiced by patti lupone, it's possible yellow diamond might get her own song

whoa, Yellow Diamond is voiced by a singer? hmmm That's usually a major hint of something isn't it?

Dang, the Diamonds are fusions? Giant hypocrites. Maybe that's reason enough to start a rebellion?

But yeah, then again Diamonds might be special enough to get singer voices.
Very curious.

Romanian My Escutcheon

Blankzilla wrote: »

It Could Have Been Great

PERIDOT SINGING EEEEEEEEEE

It Could Have Been Great.

I love how Steven breaks it down into a simple matter of repeating a pattern, because how else is this logic-dominated Gem going to figure out the basics of music?

Ms Dapper

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Etiowsa

Blankzilla wrote: »

It Could Have Been Great

PERIDOT SINGING EEEEEEEEEE

The whole first 2 minutes of that episode were the best thing ever. I almost died of cuteness overload.

Owenashi

Some more neat Message Recieved fanart from the Something Awful forums' SU-thread for those interested.

Also someone animated three particular pieces of background from It Could have Been Great.

nightmarenny

Owenashi wrote: »

Some more neat Message Recieved fanart from the Something Awful forums' SU-thread for those interested.

Also someone animated three particular pieces of background from It Could have Been Great.

Almost none of these have enough Neck.

Garthor

nightmarenny wrote: »

Owenashi wrote: »

Some more neat Message Recieved fanart from the Something Awful forums' SU-thread for those interested.

Also someone animated three particular pieces of background from It Could have Been Great.

Almost none of these have enough Neck.

Also too yellow I think.

Indie Winter

I love

smugpearl

Kay

So I stumbled across a bunch of stills from the show, and I am 99% certain that one of them is the spoiler people were warning others about.

Untagged, just sorta there, a bunch of images from the episodes that have aired, and then THAT. No way to avoid, even if you had gone to the trouble of blocking SU spoiler tags and similar. Feh.

FOR THOSE THAT WERE ALSO SPOILED:

No really, don't open this unless you've seen the spoiler.

Was it an image of Peridot giving SOMEONE a gift?

Munkus Beaver

I just wanted to point out, that this:

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

So in short,

Immonnen Diamond is going to yell "Mediocre!" When Peridot Nux fails to blow herself and because there's like a hundred Peridot Warboys.

Was actually ridiculously close to what actually happened.

Gator

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

I just wanted to point out, that this:

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

So in short,

Immonnen Diamond is going to yell "Mediocre!" When Peridot Nux fails to blow herself and because there's like a hundred Peridot Warboys.

Was actually ridiculously close to what actually happened.

Completely OT, but what's with your million avatars, Munkus?

DevoutlyApathetic

Goatmon wrote: »

First, we're trying to keep a lid on open spoilers since the episodes are still pretty fresh.

Second, Pearl clearly loves Steven and wouldn't want harm to come to him. She has some projection issues, of course, but that doesn't mean she would like him gone just to get Rose back.

Also, we probably won't ever see them again. Rubies are dispensable dime a dozen foot soldiers. We're probably supposed to forget about them as soon as they're no longer around.

Pretty sure we saw the other rubies to establish that our Ruby was just one of a whole bunch of otherwise identical Rubies. That was, until she wasn't anymore.

Phillishere

azith28 wrote: »

Two things I thought of i wanted to mention.

In Stevens Birthday. Anyone else find it odd that Pearl wanted nothing to do with baby steven? Given how she feels about rose, and how she essentially considers stephen as rose, I would never have thought of her as not wanting to help him somehow.

From "The Answer".
Anyone else think we are going to be seeing those two other rubies in the future?

Sounds in character, actually. She loves Steven, but baby's are all about messy biological fluids. Plus, Greg is right there.

Pearl wants nothing to do with changing diapers.

Munkus Beaver

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

Goatmon wrote: »

First, we're trying to keep a lid on open spoilers since the episodes are still pretty fresh.

Second, Pearl clearly loves Steven and wouldn't want harm to come to him. She has some projection issues, of course, but that doesn't mean she would like him gone just to get Rose back.

Also, we probably won't ever see them again. Rubies are dispensable dime a dozen foot soldiers. We're probably supposed to forget about them as soon as they're no longer around.

Pretty sure we saw the other rubies to establish that our Ruby was just one of a whole bunch of otherwise identical Rubies. That was, until she wasn't anymore.

The Answer spoiler:

At this point it is absolutely confirmed that many gems are dime a dozen manufactured, that what 'race' of gem you are defines your personality, job, social status, abilities, strength, and disposability.

Rubies as foot soldiers and are very basic ones. Jasper's seem to be the big guns. Peridots are technical wizards. Pearls are...almost like secretary sex slaves (or at the very least are supposed to have little free will but the will of their superior and be part eye-candy).

But The Diamonds. Each Diamond gets a color. Each Diamond is a Proper Noun. In a later episode Jasper has to qualify which specific Jasper she is, basically like her social security number. But the Diamonds just....ARE. They are the gem Queens in The ancient sense: the right to rule by divine providence, better than the common man. We've seen how Blue Diamond treated a pissant soldier daring to try something as...hideous as fusing with a member of her aristocratic core. She was going to execute Ruby on the spot.

Also, Fusion is also established as a thing that happens, but only among those of the same gem race, and then it only feels like becoming a 'bigger, version of yourself. As Jasper said "FUSION IS ONLY A TACTIC TO MAKE WEAK GEMS STRONGER!" And if you look at the society as a trickle down from the Diamonds racist asses, it makes sense. What are Diamonds? The perfectly organized chemical bond of carbon atoms who are so super strong that why the ever living fuck would they stoop to fusion? They are fucking DIAMOND.

azith28

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

Goatmon wrote: »

First, we're trying to keep a lid on open spoilers since the episodes are still pretty fresh.

Second, Pearl clearly loves Steven and wouldn't want harm to come to him. She has some projection issues, of course, but that doesn't mean she would like him gone just to get Rose back.

Also, we probably won't ever see them again. Rubies are dispensable dime a dozen foot soldiers. We're probably supposed to forget about them as soon as they're no longer around.

Pretty sure we saw the other rubies to establish that our Ruby was just one of a whole bunch of otherwise identical Rubies. That was, until she wasn't anymore.

I'm not suggesting Pearl wanted him gone.

I just figured that if any of the gems would have a presonal reason to want to raise steven from a baby it would be her. Not exactly from a manevolent reason, but so that she could ensure he comes up with her as a figure of trust and love. It might be a bit manipulative a thought but I think pearl would have had it. I'm surprised she was completely against the idea instead of instantly going full momma bird mode. When the series first started there was more then a little hints that Pearl wanted exactly that...'Why wont you let me do this for you rose'...'Strong in the real way'. 'I watch you in your sleep every night'.

Munkus Beaver

Phillishere wrote: »

azith28 wrote: »

Two things I thought of i wanted to mention.

In Stevens Birthday. Anyone else find it odd that Pearl wanted nothing to do with baby steven? Given how she feels about rose, and how she essentially considers stephen as rose, I would never have thought of her as not wanting to help him somehow.

From "The Answer".
Anyone else think we are going to be seeing those two other rubies in the future?

Sounds in character, actually. She loves Steven, but baby's are all about messy biological fluids. Plus, Greg is right there.

Pearl wants nothing to do with changing diapers.

Also Pearl hates biological functions in general. Despises, even.

DevoutlyApathetic

azith28 wrote: »

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

Goatmon wrote: »

First, we're trying to keep a lid on open spoilers since the episodes are still pretty fresh.

Second, Pearl clearly loves Steven and wouldn't want harm to come to him. She has some projection issues, of course, but that doesn't mean she would like him gone just to get Rose back.

Also, we probably won't ever see them again. Rubies are dispensable dime a dozen foot soldiers. We're probably supposed to forget about them as soon as they're no longer around.

Pretty sure we saw the other rubies to establish that our Ruby was just one of a whole bunch of otherwise identical Rubies. That was, until she wasn't anymore.

I'm not suggesting Pearl wanted him gone.

I just figured that if any of the gems would have a presonal reason to want to raise steven from a baby it would be her. Not exactly from a manevolent reason, but so that she could ensure he comes up with her as a figure of trust and love. It might be a bit manipulative a thought but I think pearl would have had it. I'm surprised she was completely against the idea instead of instantly going full momma bird mode. When the series first started there was more then a little hints that Pearl wanted exactly that...'Why wont you let me do this for you rose'...'Strong in the real way'. 'I watch you in your sleep every night'.

...I think you responded to the wrong person but whatever, I'm game.

Steven was a baby the first time round right after Rose left. Pearl probably spent most of that time an emotional wreck and wasn't inclined to do positive things like overcome her general antipathy about biological stuff.

Phillishere

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

Goatmon wrote: »

First, we're trying to keep a lid on open spoilers since the episodes are still pretty fresh.

Second, Pearl clearly loves Steven and wouldn't want harm to come to him. She has some projection issues, of course, but that doesn't mean she would like him gone just to get Rose back.

Also, we probably won't ever see them again. Rubies are dispensable dime a dozen foot soldiers. We're probably supposed to forget about them as soon as they're no longer around.

Pretty sure we saw the other rubies to establish that our Ruby was just one of a whole bunch of otherwise identical Rubies. That was, until she wasn't anymore.

The Answer spoiler:

At this point it is absolutely confirmed that many gems are dime a dozen manufactured, that what 'race' of gem you are defines your personality, job, social status, abilities, strength, and disposability.

Rubies as foot soldiers and are very basic ones. Jasper's seem to be the big guns. Peridots are technical wizards. Pearls are...almost like secretary sex slaves (or at the very least are supposed to have little free will but the will of their superior and be part eye-candy).

But The Diamonds. Each Diamond gets a color. Each Diamond is a Proper Noun. In a later episode Jasper has to qualify which specific Jasper she is, basically like her social security number. But the Diamonds just....ARE. They are the gem Queens in The ancient sense: the right to rule by divine providence, better than the common man. We've seen how Blue Diamond treated a pissant soldier daring to try something as...hideous as fusing with a member of her aristocratic core. She was going to execute Ruby on the spot.

Also, Fusion is also established as a thing that happens, but only among those of the same gem race, and then it only feels like becoming a 'bigger, version of yourself. As Jasper said "FUSION IS ONLY A TACTIC TO MAKE WEAK GEMS STRONGER!" And if you look at the society as a trickle down from the Diamonds racist asses, it makes sense. What are Diamonds? The perfectly organized chemical bond of carbon atoms who are so super strong that why the ever living fuck would they stoop to fusion? They are fucking DIAMOND.

Take it a step further, and it explains why the Diamonds would see cross-gem fusions as a repulsive heresy. Three Rubies are just a bigger Ruby. A Ruby, a Sapphire and a Pearl/Amethyst combination is a either a wrecking ball or a scalpel.

It's the big threat from the Crystal Gems to the Homeworld - they are individuals but they also represent millions of other gems who are literally just like them. Garnet is a walking example that any pair of gems, in the right circumstances, can become more powerful than gem society's strongest warriors. As I have no doubt we'll eventually see, those unforeseen combinations have the potential to be stronger than a diamond.

BronzeKoopa

Ms Dapper wrote: »

Are the gems going to give Peridot an Awful Waffle?

Munkus Beaver

I didn't think Peridot had shorts to salute.

And if it's season 2, then she won't care anyway.

Chiselphane

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Munkus Beaver wrote: »

DevoutlyApathetic wrote: »

Goatmon wrote: »

First, we're trying to keep a lid on open spoilers since the episodes are still pretty fresh.

Second, Pearl clearly loves Steven and wouldn't want harm to come to him. She has some projection issues, of course, but that doesn't mean she would like him gone just to get Rose back.

Also, we probably won't ever see them again. Rubies are dispensable dime a dozen foot soldiers. We're probably supposed to forget about them as soon as they're no longer around.

Pretty sure we saw the other rubies to establish that our Ruby was just one of a whole bunch of otherwise identical Rubies. That was, until she wasn't anymore.

The Answer spoiler:

At this point it is absolutely confirmed that many gems are dime a dozen manufactured, that what 'race' of gem you are defines your personality, job, social status, abilities, strength, and disposability.

Rubies as foot soldiers and are very basic ones. Jasper's seem to be the big guns. Peridots are technical wizards. Pearls are...almost like secretary sex slaves (or at the very least are supposed to have little free will but the will of their superior and be part eye-candy).

But The Diamonds. Each Diamond gets a color. Each Diamond is a Proper Noun. In a later episode Jasper has to qualify which specific Jasper she is, basically like her social security number. But the Diamonds just....ARE. They are the gem Queens in The ancient sense: the right to rule by divine providence, better than the common man. We've seen how Blue Diamond treated a pissant soldier daring to try something as...hideous as fusing with a member of her aristocratic core. She was going to execute Ruby on the spot.

Also, Fusion is also established as a thing that happens, but only among those of the same gem race, and then it only feels like becoming a 'bigger, version of yourself. As Jasper said "FUSION IS ONLY A TACTIC TO MAKE WEAK GEMS STRONGER!" And if you look at the society as a trickle down from the Diamonds racist asses, it makes sense. What are Diamonds? The perfectly organized chemical bond of carbon atoms who are so super strong that why the ever living fuck would they stoop to fusion? They are fucking DIAMOND.

A twist I would absolutely love is if Diamonds were revealed to be a fusion of a whole bunch of tiny super common gems. Like 20 all fused together. It would reflect the hypocrisy of most of Earth's despotic leaders (do as I say, not as I do, etc).

Sweeney Tom

Kay wrote: »

So I stumbled across a bunch of stills from the show, and I am 99% certain that one of them is the spoiler people were warning others about.

Untagged, just sorta there, a bunch of images from the episodes that have aired, and then THAT. No way to avoid, even if you had gone to the trouble of blocking SU spoiler tags and similar. Feh.

FOR THOSE THAT WERE ALSO SPOILED:

No really, don't open this unless you've seen the spoiler.

Was it an image of Peridot giving SOMEONE a gift?

Yes

Kay

Fuck.

azith28

Humm. you know now that we have seen the answer,

You would think that Garnet would be a little more patient with Peridot.

Ruby in "Jailbreak" still seems to think of herself as less than Sapphire. While sure, she loves her and that may be why he thinks nothing of himself, his words are identical to those in the answer when referring to his breaking and in jailbreak...'who cares about me' 'there are lots of me'.
So while Garnet is comfortable in her fusion, I think shes also got at least half a mind to think some gems like sapphire are 'superior'. Peridot has been conditioned that diamonds are the perfect being. Shes progressed past ruby really in that respect by treating diamond as she would an equal or even a lesser gem.

Brolo

Ruby is a "her", as are all gems.

Phillishere

azith28 wrote: »

Humm. you know now that we have seen the answer,

You would think that Garnet would be a little more patient with Peridot.

Ruby in "Jailbreak" still seems to think of herself as less than Sapphire. While sure, she loves her and that may be why he thinks nothing of himself, his words are identical to those in the answer when referring to his breaking and in jailbreak...'who cares about me' 'there are lots of me'.
So while Garnet is comfortable in her fusion, I think shes also got at least half a mind to think some gems like sapphire are 'superior'. Peridot has been conditioned that diamonds are the perfect being. Shes progressed past ruby really in that respect by treating diamond as she would an equal or even a lesser gem.

Garnet's lack of patience with everyone - except Steven - is a perpetual issue that she acknowledges but doesn't seem to be able to change. It's also why she's starting to rely more and more on Steven's judgement - she realizes he balances her. When we get more info on the Garnet/Rose dynamic, I bet it will function in the same way.

I also really, really liked the little moment with her, Steven and the communicator right before it exploded. The other two Gems were freaking out, but Steven immediately moved to bubble the thing as a setup for Garnet's swing. They work really well together.

BlueBlue

Kay wrote: »

Fuck.

Hey pm me the spoiler I don't care about that stuff at all I just wanna know

HiT BiT

Goatmon wrote: »

(Message received)

I NEED A GIF OF HELICOPTER AMETHYST

Granted!

BlueBlue

I guess they really could have just done that all along huh

azith28

I know rubys a she, i just slip sometimes.

Phillishere

BlueBlue wrote: »

I guess they really could have just done that all along huh

"I've been waiting for this!"

honovere

Phillishere wrote: »

azith28 wrote: »

Humm. you know now that we have seen the answer,

You would think that Garnet would be a little more patient with Peridot.

Ruby in "Jailbreak" still seems to think of herself as less than Sapphire. While sure, she loves her and that may be why he thinks nothing of himself, his words are identical to those in the answer when referring to his breaking and in jailbreak...'who cares about me' 'there are lots of me'.
So while Garnet is comfortable in her fusion, I think shes also got at least half a mind to think some gems like sapphire are 'superior'. Peridot has been conditioned that diamonds are the perfect being. Shes progressed past ruby really in that respect by treating diamond as she would an equal or even a lesser gem.

Garnet's lack of patience with everyone - except Steven - is a perpetual issue that she acknowledges but doesn't seem to be able to change. It's also why she's starting to rely more and more on Steven's judgement - she realizes he balances her. When we get more info on the Garnet/Rose dynamic, I bet it will function in the same way.

I also really, really liked the little moment with her, Steven and the communicator right before it exploded. The other two Gems were freaking out, but Steven immediately moved to bubble the thing as a setup for Garnet's swing. They work really well together.

Makes sense to beimpatient when you can see the future. Also makes sense that Steven balances her out so well I think. He pretty much always lives in the present and tackles problems directly when they arise while Garnet probably has the future on her mind in some kind of fashion all the time.

Javen

honovere wrote: »

Phillishere wrote: »

azith28 wrote: »

Humm. you know now that we have seen the answer,

You would think that Garnet would be a little more patient with Peridot.

Ruby in "Jailbreak" still seems to think of herself as less than Sapphire. While sure, she loves her and that may be why he thinks nothing of himself, his words are identical to those in the answer when referring to his breaking and in jailbreak...'who cares about me' 'there are lots of me'.
So while Garnet is comfortable in her fusion, I think shes also got at least half a mind to think some gems like sapphire are 'superior'. Peridot has been conditioned that diamonds are the perfect being. Shes progressed past ruby really in that respect by treating diamond as she would an equal or even a lesser gem.

Garnet's lack of patience with everyone - except Steven - is a perpetual issue that she acknowledges but doesn't seem to be able to change. It's also why she's starting to rely more and more on Steven's judgement - she realizes he balances her. When we get more info on the Garnet/Rose dynamic, I bet it will function in the same way.

I also really, really liked the little moment with her, Steven and the communicator right before it exploded. The other two Gems were freaking out, but Steven immediately moved to bubble the thing as a setup for Garnet's swing. They work really well together.

Makes sense to beimpatient when you can see the future. Also makes sense that Steven balances her out so well I think. He pretty much always lives in the present and tackles problems directly when they arise while Garnet probably has the future on her mind in some kind of fashion all the time.

It's actually the opposite. Sapphire, the one who can actually see the future, is super patient. In Jailbreak she's waiting patiently while Ruby is flipping her shit, because she knows it's going to happen eventually. In the motel episode, Sapphire explains that she's always looking so far in the future, that she completely forgets about the now. It kind of makes sense that Garnet would act a bit more like Ruby during times of conflict or confrontation, though, since that's when emotions tend to run highest.

But yeah, I like the Garnet/Stephen dynamic so much, because she seems to know when she needs to be a caregiver, and also that the best way for him to mature is to encourage him to contribute as much as he can, and be there to support/teach him when maybe things don't go his way. Learn by doing and take a backseat, but be ready to toss out a liferaft.

I think her impatience with the other crystal gems stems from actually seeing them as equals, when they're not. She knows Stephen isn't quite there yet, and sometimes needs help, but I don't think she views the other crystal gems as the same way. She seems them as total equals, when we know that she's stronger, and can do things that they can't.