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I just wonder how many times this kind of thing has to happen to people like Tamir Rice and John Crawford and others, how loud the protests have to get, before people in authority hold the guilty parties responsible
I just wonder how many times this kind of thing has to happen to people like Tamir Rice and John Crawford and others, how loud the protests have to get, before people in authority hold the guilty parties responsible
How quickly can you replace the idiots training the next generation of officers that this sort of behavior is acceptable?
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MrMonroepassed outon the floor nowRegistered Userregular
I don't see a need to argue over whether the dispatcher or the officer is more at fault.
Rice's death was a failure at every single level of accountability from the entire justice system.
The shooter should never have been employed. The god damn hiring manager who let him on the force is responsible. The caller is responsible. The dispatcher is responsible. The shooter, clearly, is responsible.
But then his superiors were responsible for keeping a damn time bomb on the force, and his partner is responsible for the approach and for letting him do that, the force is responsible for not delivering any kind of even rudimentary first-aid, and fuck those vampire prosecutors and their "discretion" for acting like fucking defense attorneys to cap off the whole deal.
When I asked about the dispatcher,assigning them complete blame or ranking them higher in terms of responsibility, I wanted to know and understand why they were not part of the protest narrative.
Tynic answered.
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
Mishearing something over the phone or misspeaking is a vastly less serious mistake than shooting someone. Regardless of what the dispatcher reported, the person with a live firearm needs to be able to properly evaluate a situation on the spot and make good judgements based on circumstance. The dispatcher is not where the blame lies here.
If they can bring Dylan Roof in alive, they can bring a 12 year old kid in alive.
It's almost like the people with training know what the fuck they're doing.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I don't see a need to argue over whether the dispatcher or the officer is more at fault.
Rice's death was a failure at every single level of accountability from the entire justice system.
The shooter should never have been employed. The god damn hiring manager who let him on the force is responsible. The caller is responsible. The dispatcher is responsible. The shooter, clearly, is responsible.
But then his superiors were responsible for keeping a damn time bomb on the force, and his partner is responsible for the approach and for letting him do that, the force is responsible for not delivering any kind of even rudimentary first-aid, and fuck those vampire prosecutors and their "discretion" for acting like fucking defense attorneys to cap off the whole deal.
Fuck all of them.
Well, depending on the jurisdiction, then in the civil suit it would matter very much on the % of who is more at fault and you know that, Monroe.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I really find it bonkers here they have open carry laws and a law saying NO you cannot carry your firearm into a business
But then the police here were well known for shoot and answer questions later
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
I really find it bonkers here they have open carry laws and a law saying NO you cannot carry your firearm into a business
But then the police here were well known for shoot and answer questions later
Companies are private property.
Fencingsax on
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Indie Winterdie KräheRudi Hurzlmeier (German, b. 1952)Registered Userregular
If you want a distracting topic of conversation that is also relevant to the Paris attacks we could talk about the Belgian police/army orgy that happened during the lockdown.
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HacksawJ. Duggan Esq.Wrestler at LawRegistered Userregular
If you want a distracting topic of conversation that is also relevant to the Paris attacks we could talk about the Belgian police/army orgy that happened during the lockdown.
I can't really fault them for that, to be honest.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
If you want a distracting topic of conversation that is also relevant to the Paris attacks we could talk about the Belgian police/army orgy that happened during the lockdown.
I honestly can't tell how literally you are using that term
I really find it bonkers here they have open carry laws and a law saying NO you cannot carry your firearm into a business
But then the police here were well known for shoot and answer questions later
Companies are private property.
I know they have notices in the windows of in Spanish and English saying it's a felony to carry a firearm on these premises.
I just find it bonkers they have to post it and the other law that is within your rights given by the state to carry a firearm in open display
Cnn has a comparison of the weapon and toy. California cop actually stopped to issue orders.
An aside about orange tips that does not excuse the behavior of officers.
Cheap toys imported from Asia, south and central America without proper markings is a problem for this reason and confusion caused in a panic.
I think Dylan Roof surrendered because he saw himself as a hero who had to live to spread the word, as did the Colorado murderer.
The problem with fighting a group like ISIL is that they are not viable threats to the stability of nations outside their zone of control. They can always be outmanned, out spent, and it tech'd. But their ability to brand attacks outside their reach as being their work makes them appear more dangerous than they are.
So President Obama and his successor are not fighting ISIL, they're fighting a brand.
A husband and wife who plotted a terror attack in London have been jailed for a minimum of 27 and 25 years.
Mohammed Rehman, 25, discussed targeting the London Underground and Westfield shopping centre on social media under the name "Silent Bomber".
He and his wife Sana Ahmed Khan were convicted of preparing terrorist acts
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
Oh godddd some old white people at my work are talking about BLM and the words "mandatory curfew" and "gang culture" came up.
I got hold of a flyer discussing resettlement in Canada for Syrian refugees
Apparently, in order to qualify for resettlement in Canada, you need either a university degree or vocational experience, you have to be younger than fourty years and you need to prove at least B2 proficiency in either English or French
This all seems a bit cynical to be honest, we currently take in everyone regardless of their age and education and meanwhile Canada seems chiefly interested in picking the most educated and most economically valuable members out of that crowd
Platy on
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
I got hold of a flyer discussing resettlement in Canada for Syrian refugees
Apparently, in order to qualify for resettlement in Canada, you need either a university degree or vocational experience, you have to be younger than fourty years and you need to prove at least B2 proficiency in either English or French
This all seems a bit cynical to be honest, we currently take in everyone regardless of their age and education and meanwhile Canada seems chiefly interested in picking the most educated and most economically valuable members out of that crowd
Are you sure that that flyer isn't referring to more general immigration rather than the current 25000 refugee push we have going on right now? I've seen a fair bit about the screening process for those refugees and no mention of language or education came up, just that we were favoring families and single mothers/children?
I'm not sure, however the Québecois government has material on their website where they state that education and language proficiency are in fact criteria in the selection process
This seems to be dealing with resettlement, it even mentions countries of first asylum
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
Basically we have 2 different channels of refugee immigration going on. The previously existing method relying on sponsors already in Canada to vouch for potential refugees, and the much more recent push to get 25000 refugees here as quickly as possible.
The former existed under our previous government, who were complete turdscooters about immigration and that pamphlet may have come from them.
We kicked them out a couple months ago, and one of the new government's promises was greatly expanded and accelerated refugee immigration. They initially said they would get the 25k here by year-end, but have since revised that to the end of february. I have heard nothing about education or language requirements for those refugees, and the media has been watching the new government closely on this and other promises.
That sounds like general immigration requirements to me, but I haven't checked it out re Canada. I'd be surprised. Refugee status usually lets you bypass the points-based immigration system, and there are international agreements in place to that effect.
UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
Our previous government were the kind of assholes who paid for billboards in Budapest telling Romani that they shouldn't even try to seek asylum here because they will be rejected and sent home.
Those education requirements sound more like general immigration rules. The only requirements I've heard of are pretty much just favouring families and single mothers with kids. Possibly not single males travelling alone.
The current aims are 25k by February and 50k by the end of 2016 iirc.
UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
That Quebecois government page was last modified in 2011, which puts it firmly under the Harper federal government, though Quebec may also have additional restrictions at a provincial level. There's definitely been a fair amount of xenophobia in QC politics in recent years.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
some of the stuff you mentioned (young age, language fluency) seems to line up, and if so that is totally the work of our shitty old government that we kicked to the curb, and not representative of efforts currently underway
Well a new mayor in Mexico was murdered before her first day on the job was through.
We have a lot of problems in America, but I still think we can solve all of them
I don't know how anyone solves Mexico's problems
stopping funding the criminal organizations tearing it apart would probably help a good bit.
but that would require ending the drug war and changing how financially stressful life in america is for most people, so that they can afford to get their social and emotional needs actually met instead of covering that hole up with drugs.
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Zonugal(He/Him) The Holiday ArmadilloI'm Santa's representative for all the southern states. And Mexico!Registered User, Transition Teamregular
Well a new mayor in Mexico was murdered before her first day on the job was through.
We have a lot of problems in America, but I still think we can solve all of them
I don't know how anyone solves Mexico's problems
stopping funding the criminal organizations tearing it apart would probably help a good bit.
but that would require ending the drug war and changing how financially stressful life in america is for most people, so that they can afford to get their social and emotional needs actually met instead of covering that hole up with drugs.
I don't think there is any patchwork to one's social & emotional needs that is going to stop people wanting to get high.
I know loads of people doing just fine who still always want drugs.
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
Well a new mayor in Mexico was murdered before her first day on the job was through.
We have a lot of problems in America, but I still think we can solve all of them
I don't know how anyone solves Mexico's problems
stopping funding the criminal organizations tearing it apart would probably help a good bit.
but that would require ending the drug war and changing how financially stressful life in america is for most people, so that they can afford to get their social and emotional needs actually met instead of covering that hole up with drugs.
I don't think there is any patchwork to one's social & emotional needs that is going to stop people wanting to get high.
I know loads of people doing just fine who still always want drugs.
Plus I mean, even if we ended the drug war and legalized drugs, the cartels would still exist
They'd just be making money legally instead of illegally, right?
Well a new mayor in Mexico was murdered before her first day on the job was through.
We have a lot of problems in America, but I still think we can solve all of them
I don't know how anyone solves Mexico's problems
stopping funding the criminal organizations tearing it apart would probably help a good bit.
but that would require ending the drug war and changing how financially stressful life in america is for most people, so that they can afford to get their social and emotional needs actually met instead of covering that hole up with drugs.
I don't think there is any patchwork to one's social & emotional needs that is going to stop people wanting to get high.
I know loads of people doing just fine who still always want drugs.
Plus I mean, even if we ended the drug war and legalized drugs, the cartels would still exist
They'd just be making money legally instead of illegally, right?
I expect if weed was legalized you'd have plenty of people willing to grow it at home, and people would choose to buy from them rather than from the cartels?
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after a few heads roll, then the rest in similar positions get to thinking more closely about where they're standing.
How quickly can you replace the idiots training the next generation of officers that this sort of behavior is acceptable?
Rice's death was a failure at every single level of accountability from the entire justice system.
The shooter should never have been employed. The god damn hiring manager who let him on the force is responsible. The caller is responsible. The dispatcher is responsible. The shooter, clearly, is responsible.
But then his superiors were responsible for keeping a damn time bomb on the force, and his partner is responsible for the approach and for letting him do that, the force is responsible for not delivering any kind of even rudimentary first-aid, and fuck those vampire prosecutors and their "discretion" for acting like fucking defense attorneys to cap off the whole deal.
Fuck all of them.
Tynic answered.
It's almost like the people with training know what the fuck they're doing.
Well, depending on the jurisdiction, then in the civil suit it would matter very much on the % of who is more at fault and you know that, Monroe.
But then the police here were well known for shoot and answer questions later
Companies are private property.
I can't really fault them for that, to be honest.
I honestly can't tell how literally you are using that term
I know they have notices in the windows of in Spanish and English saying it's a felony to carry a firearm on these premises.
I just find it bonkers they have to post it and the other law that is within your rights given by the state to carry a firearm in open display
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Andy_Lopez
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/24/justice/california-fake-rifle-boy-killed/
Cnn has a comparison of the weapon and toy. California cop actually stopped to issue orders.
An aside about orange tips that does not excuse the behavior of officers.
I think Dylan Roof surrendered because he saw himself as a hero who had to live to spread the word, as did the Colorado murderer.
The problem with fighting a group like ISIL is that they are not viable threats to the stability of nations outside their zone of control. They can always be outmanned, out spent, and it tech'd. But their ability to brand attacks outside their reach as being their work makes them appear more dangerous than they are.
So President Obama and his successor are not fighting ISIL, they're fighting a brand.
I'm just trying to eat my gatdamn lunch.
Apparently, in order to qualify for resettlement in Canada, you need either a university degree or vocational experience, you have to be younger than fourty years and you need to prove at least B2 proficiency in either English or French
This all seems a bit cynical to be honest, we currently take in everyone regardless of their age and education and meanwhile Canada seems chiefly interested in picking the most educated and most economically valuable members out of that crowd
Are you sure that that flyer isn't referring to more general immigration rather than the current 25000 refugee push we have going on right now? I've seen a fair bit about the screening process for those refugees and no mention of language or education came up, just that we were favoring families and single mothers/children?
This seems to be dealing with resettlement, it even mentions countries of first asylum
The former existed under our previous government, who were complete turdscooters about immigration and that pamphlet may have come from them.
We kicked them out a couple months ago, and one of the new government's promises was greatly expanded and accelerated refugee immigration. They initially said they would get the 25k here by year-end, but have since revised that to the end of february. I have heard nothing about education or language requirements for those refugees, and the media has been watching the new government closely on this and other promises.
The current aims are 25k by February and 50k by the end of 2016 iirc.
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some of the stuff you mentioned (young age, language fluency) seems to line up, and if so that is totally the work of our shitty old government that we kicked to the curb, and not representative of efforts currently underway
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
I mean, I played some Fallout 4.
We have a lot of problems in America, but I still think we can solve all of them
I don't know how anyone solves Mexico's problems
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stopping funding the criminal organizations tearing it apart would probably help a good bit.
but that would require ending the drug war and changing how financially stressful life in america is for most people, so that they can afford to get their social and emotional needs actually met instead of covering that hole up with drugs.
I don't think there is any patchwork to one's social & emotional needs that is going to stop people wanting to get high.
I know loads of people doing just fine who still always want drugs.
Plus I mean, even if we ended the drug war and legalized drugs, the cartels would still exist
They'd just be making money legally instead of illegally, right?
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I expect if weed was legalized you'd have plenty of people willing to grow it at home, and people would choose to buy from them rather than from the cartels?