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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
And while it's a fake language, it kinda bugs me in the sense that it's like the main character knows the language, but just can't be bothered speaking it.
And while it's a fake language, it kinda bugs me in the sense that it's like the main character knows the language, but just can't be bothered speaking it.
Some languages aren't easy for human tongues to pronounce!
But I've always hated how in star wars movies how one person will speak basic / English and the other person just responds in their native tounge. That's not how it works.
tbh it happens a lot in Quebec. One person speaking in french, the other in english, they each understand the other language but are more comfortable in their own native language.
Its bound to happen even more with people who have snouts or blowhole things.
I've been trying to decide whether I thought that yoda's species getting a name would be cooler than it just staying as "yoda's species". It's a really tough argument to support
And I don't give a shit what desperate attempts some cartoon makes to un-assassinate everything about Anakin's character. The movies matter. Everything else is bonus fluff.
I am not saying you can't have your personal opinion of the quality of the cartoon.
But it is not fluff. It is canon. It is official. You cannot just pretend it doesn't exist, then make any claims to the validity of any system or philosophy within.
It is just as valid and important to the lore of the universe as the movies are, in the prequels case, moreso since it actually does it well.
I don't necessarily care if it's good or bad, or if it is considered Official Star Wars Canon As Indicated by Disney By-Law THX-1138. It is of the prequel era, and therefore may as well not exist as far as I'm concerned. I'm not interested in any Star Wars fiction that attempts to validate, rescue, or justify anything put forward in those movies.
I am sure that this is regarded as absolutely unreasonable of me by lore purists.
But keep in mind that, had I my druthers, I would scrub everything related to Star Wars from the years 1995-present from the collective human consciousness in a second. Without hesitation. I would happily rip that content away from everyone forever.
So yeah, not exactly reasonable. But we all have our faults.
And while it's a fake language, it kinda bugs me in the sense that it's like the main character knows the language, but just can't be bothered speaking it.
Some languages aren't easy for human tongues to pronounce!
Yeah the Han and Chewbacca thing always seems to work because Chewie and Han clearly have just completely different shaped mouths and probably physically cannot speak each others' language.
I often turn out to be mistaken, but I believe wookies are not able to speak basic, except for one that had a speech impediment that made everything he said sound like basic.
I mean, the secret with canon is that it doesn't matter what it is officially, it's whatever you want it to be
But part of that is that for the sake of discussion, it can be unreasonable to tell someone that your idea of the canon is the right one, since the official one is, y'know, official
I mean, the secret with canon is that it doesn't matter what it is officially, it's whatever you want it to be
But part of that is that for the sake of discussion, it can be unreasonable to tell someone that your idea of the canon is the right one, since the official one is, y'know, official
I uh, agree with the overall sentiment, but that first part isn't how canon works.
You can choose to not like a part of the universe and not watch/read/whatever it. No one is going to give you a hard time (not seriously, we may joke about it, I mean why would you not watch Clone Wars instead of the prequels!)
But you can't decide it doesn't exist.
All fictional stories contain the same amount of reality: none. They're all pretend people doing pretend things, so just watch what you like and ignore what you don't.
I mean, the secret with canon is that it doesn't matter what it is officially, it's whatever you want it to be
But part of that is that for the sake of discussion, it can be unreasonable to tell someone that your idea of the canon is the right one, since the official one is, y'know, official
I uh, agree with the overall sentiment, but that first part isn't how canon works.
You can choose to not like a part of the universe and not watch/read/whatever it. But you can't decide it doesn't exist.
You can decide that for you personally!
If you want to pretend the prequels didn't happen and come up with your own ideas and say those are what happened, you can!
You just can't expect anyone else to go along with it.
I don't know why people act like he never properly came to cross that bridge to turning evil
You realize that in Episode II he killed an entire village full of people, right
Not just the men
But the women
And the children too
As far as I'm concerned he's already lost at that point, and anything good or heroic he does between then and the end of Episode III is just him trying to redeem himself (and failing) mixed with delusions of still being a "good person" at the core
This scene could easily have been done with some sympathy. A force rage telekinetic overload with Anakin, say, breaking the neck of every Raider within a half-mile radius, or causing a rockslide to obliterate the camp, and afterwords he would have been *horrified* at his loss of control. Like a bomb going off.
But it was Lucas, so we got what we got. It's implied he just stabbed them all in the film, but in the novelization I think the avalanche was still semi-canon.
Lord_AsmodeusgoeticSobriquet:Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered Userregular
Every time I see an official map or source reference Rattatak like the clone wars CGI cartoon or that galaxy map from Empire Magazine was it? It just makes me wish suuuper fucking hard that they would officially bring back Rattataki into the canon.
Like, the Zabraks despite many of them living on Dathomir are still, in canon, a near-human species from Iridonia. I would love it if the Rattataki was the original species and the Dathomiri were like a dark force cult that grew up among the Rattataki and moved to Dathomir (probably because it's a natural focal point for Dark Side of the Force or something)
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
But I've always hated how in star wars movies how one person will speak basic / English and the other person just responds in their native tounge. That's not how it works.
coming from someone who was raised in a bilingual house and whose holiday family gatherings often feature people with varying levels of fluency in either language, yes, its absolutely how it works.
And I don't give a shit what desperate attempts some cartoon makes to un-assassinate everything about Anakin's character. The movies matter. Everything else is bonus fluff.
I am not saying you can't have your personal opinion of the quality of the cartoon.
But it is not fluff. It is canon. It is official. You cannot just pretend it doesn't exist, then make any claims to the validity of any system or philosophy within.
It is just as valid and important to the lore of the universe as the movies are, in the prequels case, moreso since it actually does it well.
I don't necessarily care if it's good or bad, or if it is considered Official Star Wars Canon As Indicated by Disney By-Law THX-1138. It is of the prequel era, and therefore may as well not exist as far as I'm concerned. I'm not interested in any Star Wars fiction that attempts to validate, rescue, or justify anything put forward in those movies.
I am sure that this is regarded as absolutely unreasonable of me by lore purists.
But keep in mind that, had I my druthers, I would scrub everything related to Star Wars from the years 1995-present from the collective human consciousness in a second. Without hesitation. I would happily rip that content away from everyone forever.
So yeah, not exactly reasonable. But we all have our faults.
You should check out CG Clone Wars
It's pretty rad
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TrippyJingMoses supposes his toeses are roses.But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered Userregular
But I've always hated how in star wars movies how one person will speak basic / English and the other person just responds in their native tounge. That's not how it works.
My Cantonese sucks, but I understand it pretty well. When I'm in Chinatown, this happens occasionally.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
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Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
But I've always hated how in star wars movies how one person will speak basic / English and the other person just responds in their native tounge. That's not how it works.
My Cantonese sucks, but I understand it pretty well. When I'm in Chinatown, this happens occasionally.
Yeah I did this all the time in Paris. Didn't want to ruin anyone's ears with my rusty French pronunciation but they were usually quite happy to talk to me in French and have me respond in English.
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TrippyJingMoses supposes his toeses are roses.But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered Userregular
Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
Jedi Mind Trick could just be a loan word(s).
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Keep in mind how many Bothans died to bring Mon Mothma her information.
They didn't really need to die. But they did anyway.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
Jedi Mind Trick could just be a loan word(s).
Jedi? Of course. Mind trick? Eh.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
Jedi Mind Trick could just be a loan word(s).
Jedi? Of course. Mind trick? Eh.
All the Hutt words for trick actually mean Prostitute
Lord_AsmodeusgoeticSobriquet:Here is your magical cryptic riddle-tumour: I AM A TIME MACHINERegistered Userregular
Well I assume Jabba can speak basic, but he's a Hutt. And they're super arrogant and think they're the best. Why would he speak anything other than Huttese? But that doesn't mean he might not slip into some basic when talking about something, even if there are words to get the meaning across in his language, maybe to make a point.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. - Lincoln
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
Jedi Mind Trick could just be a loan word(s).
Jedi? Of course. Mind trick? Eh.
All the Hutt words for trick actually mean Prostitute
Jedi mind illusions, Michael. A trick is something a whore does for money.
Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
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TrippyJingMoses supposes his toeses are roses.But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered Userregular
Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
But fighting to defend a crashed Star Destroyer is p. rad
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
It's definitely a different feeling map than the other ones.
It's so big and open, but at the same time there is just that much crap on the map there is a lot of cover sometimes. But since it is so big, it's super easy to get flanked.
But fighting to defend a crashed Star Destroyer is p. rad
What is Turning Point mode
It's where I fight like hell across 150m of rugged, debris-strewn terrain, call in an orbital strike on the control point and also toss a thermal detonator over the wall, then jump pack over, gunning down enemies left & right only to get overwhelmed because oh hey the rest of my team is trying to capture the objective by sniping.
But fighting to defend a crashed Star Destroyer is p. rad
What is Turning Point mode
Basically there are four or so "rounds" where the rebels have to capture one of three (in the first round, and in the final round it reduces to one) capture points and the empire must defend them.
The amount you capture per round also "stays" so if you run into the capture zone and stay there long enough to lower it by say a quarter and then die, the next time someone runs in there they start at the point where you left off.
Once any of those points are captured, the empire gets pushed back and the rebels try and take one of the next set of capture points.
Chewie literally cannot speak Basic. His mouth is not built for the words. But Wookies have their own language.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
Jedi Mind Trick could just be a loan word(s).
Jedi? Of course. Mind trick? Eh.
Loan phrase, rather.
Mi casa es su casa. Quid pro quo.
Je ne sais quois.
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Blake TDo you have enemies then?Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.Registered Userregular
So you will often get points where the rebels have pushed one capture point down a lot, so the empire moves in with a lot of people to defend it and so if the rebels have their shit together, they'll then swing their focus to another one of the capture points since it will likely be not well guarded anymore.
Because the map is on Jakku as well, as I said before, the map is big and sparse so flanking and sniping are extra common.
Oh yeah, and the empire wins if the rebels fail to capture any of the points in the allotted time (any leftover time you have from capturing the previous points also carry over into the next "round"). Which is fine, but while the first lot of capture points are doable, the final one is just plain tough as it's a single capture point and the spawn point of the empire is quite close so it is legitimately hard to hold it for any length of time. I once was on an Empire team who was given a hiding the first set of rounds and the rebels had ten minutes to capture the final point and they failed.
Yeah, the prequels being all about Anakin was a mistake.
I do wonder if Lucas knew how big of a deal Darth Vader was in our entire human pop culture when he started working on the prequels.
Or why he switch light saber fights from epic, deliberate samurai duels to weird bad kung fu battles. Did he want to emulate crouching tiger, hidden dragon?
George Lucas knows Star Wars. He knows what made it tick and what gave it a soul, and his reason for the change in the nature of the lightsaber battles was actually a good one - but it clashes with the context of the original theme, the magic he knew how to make happen. He became a software engineer engineer instead of an artist and ran purely on logic, betraying many of the themes that made the first trilogy so great.
However, listening to him discuss his inspiration, I have the feeling that he knows his stuff. He just forgot important parts of it over time and through focusing on too many ambitions and effects and fixations.
Marty: The future, it's where you're going? Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
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Satans..... hints.....
Satans..... hints.....
Some languages aren't easy for human tongues to pronounce!
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Its bound to happen even more with people who have snouts or blowhole things.
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Yeah the Han and Chewbacca thing always seems to work because Chewie and Han clearly have just completely different shaped mouths and probably physically cannot speak each others' language.
Or it may be a sign you can articulate yourself better in Basic and don't want to stumble through the conversation like an elementary-school Rodian.
Or any other number of reasons. Like maybe because it's a fucking movie!
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But part of that is that for the sake of discussion, it can be unreasonable to tell someone that your idea of the canon is the right one, since the official one is, y'know, official
I uh, agree with the overall sentiment, but that first part isn't how canon works.
You can choose to not like a part of the universe and not watch/read/whatever it. No one is going to give you a hard time (not seriously, we may joke about it, I mean why would you not watch Clone Wars instead of the prequels!)
But you can't decide it doesn't exist.
You can decide that for you personally!
If you want to pretend the prequels didn't happen and come up with your own ideas and say those are what happened, you can!
You just can't expect anyone else to go along with it.
This scene could easily have been done with some sympathy. A force rage telekinetic overload with Anakin, say, breaking the neck of every Raider within a half-mile radius, or causing a rockslide to obliterate the camp, and afterwords he would have been *horrified* at his loss of control. Like a bomb going off.
But it was Lucas, so we got what we got. It's implied he just stabbed them all in the film, but in the novelization I think the avalanche was still semi-canon.
Not sure if serious, but I like Marvel's summary.
http://boundingintocomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/DathVader6.jpg
Like, the Zabraks despite many of them living on Dathomir are still, in canon, a near-human species from Iridonia. I would love it if the Rattataki was the original species and the Dathomiri were like a dark force cult that grew up among the Rattataki and moved to Dathomir (probably because it's a natural focal point for Dark Side of the Force or something)
coming from someone who was raised in a bilingual house and whose holiday family gatherings often feature people with varying levels of fluency in either language, yes, its absolutely how it works.
You should check out CG Clone Wars
It's pretty rad
My Cantonese sucks, but I understand it pretty well. When I'm in Chinatown, this happens occasionally.
And strangely enough, Jabba says the words "Jedi Mind Trick" which are the same in Huttesse as they are in Basic. You also didn't see a lot of aliens in the Empire (aside from the bounty hunters) because they were supposed to be the hugely xenophobic society while the Rebels welcomed everyone.
And aliens don't get a lot of speaking parts in general in the OT.
EDIT: Also, keep in mind that the xenophobic Empire made Basic the universal language. You may not speak it, but you understand it. It's why C-3PO translates everything to that in Jabba's palace (also for movie reasons) when it is a den of alien thieves and scoundrels.
Yeah I did this all the time in Paris. Didn't want to ruin anyone's ears with my rusty French pronunciation but they were usually quite happy to talk to me in French and have me respond in English.
Jedi Mind Trick could just be a loan word(s).
They didn't really need to die. But they did anyway.
Jedi? Of course. Mind trick? Eh.
All the Hutt words for trick actually mean Prostitute
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Jedi mind illusions, Michael. A trick is something a whore does for money.
Loan phrase, rather.
Mi casa es su casa. Quid pro quo.
I mean, there's nothing new gameplay-wise
But fighting to defend a crashed Star Destroyer is p. rad
It's so big and open, but at the same time there is just that much crap on the map there is a lot of cover sometimes. But since it is so big, it's super easy to get flanked.
Satans..... hints.....
What is Turning Point mode
It's where I fight like hell across 150m of rugged, debris-strewn terrain, call in an orbital strike on the control point and also toss a thermal detonator over the wall, then jump pack over, gunning down enemies left & right only to get overwhelmed because oh hey the rest of my team is trying to capture the objective by sniping.
Basically there are four or so "rounds" where the rebels have to capture one of three (in the first round, and in the final round it reduces to one) capture points and the empire must defend them.
The amount you capture per round also "stays" so if you run into the capture zone and stay there long enough to lower it by say a quarter and then die, the next time someone runs in there they start at the point where you left off.
Once any of those points are captured, the empire gets pushed back and the rebels try and take one of the next set of capture points.
It's fun.
Satans..... hints.....
Je ne sais quois.
Because the map is on Jakku as well, as I said before, the map is big and sparse so flanking and sniping are extra common.
Oh yeah, and the empire wins if the rebels fail to capture any of the points in the allotted time (any leftover time you have from capturing the previous points also carry over into the next "round"). Which is fine, but while the first lot of capture points are doable, the final one is just plain tough as it's a single capture point and the spawn point of the empire is quite close so it is legitimately hard to hold it for any length of time. I once was on an Empire team who was given a hiding the first set of rounds and the rebels had ten minutes to capture the final point and they failed.
Satans..... hints.....
I was trawling youtube and I came across this:
George Lucas knows Star Wars. He knows what made it tick and what gave it a soul, and his reason for the change in the nature of the lightsaber battles was actually a good one - but it clashes with the context of the original theme, the magic he knew how to make happen. He became a software engineer engineer instead of an artist and ran purely on logic, betraying many of the themes that made the first trilogy so great.
However, listening to him discuss his inspiration, I have the feeling that he knows his stuff. He just forgot important parts of it over time and through focusing on too many ambitions and effects and fixations.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.