I'm a few posts late, but the thing with The Wolverine is that it feels like two different movies put together
One of them is a somewhat grounded movie about Wolverine fighting the Yakuza while trying to keep a woman he's come to love safe
The other one has a climax involving a lizard woman and a giant robot samurai suit
And the thing is, I'd watch both of those movies!
They just don't work very well smashed together
Alternatively, mash them together more evenly.
This is also acceptable
As it is I remember sitting there in the movie theater thinking "Whoa, did they just accidentally add the end of one script onto the beginning of the other?"
I'm really looking forward to superhero movies growing out of 20-minute CG-fest climaxes
Winter Soldier had a similar "cool and unique early vibe abruptly turns into computer generated chaos" thing
Yeah, I think this matches up with a lot of my feelings too
Most superhero movies are a lot better in the building stages than in the climax
I'm a few posts late, but the thing with The Wolverine is that it feels like two different movies put together
One of them is a somewhat grounded movie about Wolverine fighting the Yakuza while trying to keep a woman he's come to love safe
The other one has a climax involving a lizard woman and a giant robot samurai suit
And the thing is, I'd watch both of those movies!
They just don't work very well smashed together
Alternatively, mash them together more evenly.
This is also acceptable
As it is I remember sitting there in the movie theater thinking "Whoa, did they just accidentally add the end of one script onto the beginning of the other?"
I'm really looking forward to superhero movies growing out of 20-minute CG-fest climaxes
Winter Soldier had a similar "cool and unique early vibe abruptly turns into computer generated chaos" thing
You know what, it kind of does!
I'd never really noticed it before because I enjoyed the chaos at the end, but when I think about why it's my favorite superhero movie, all of my favorite stuff in it is pretty front-loaded.
I actually really like the big CG climax in Guardians
All the ships combining into a big net was super cool
I'm not saying it never works - Guardians has a cool one, Iron Man 3's manages to be a really neat character moment, the first Avengers fully earns its actual-meaning-of-the-word epic climax.
But every single superhero movie does it, to ever-diminishing returns.
I actually really like the big CG climax in Guardians
All the ships combining into a big net was super cool
I'm not saying it never works - Guardians has a cool one, Iron Man 3's manages to be a really neat character moment, the first Avengers fully earns its actual-meaning-of-the-word epic climax.
But every single superhero movie does it, to ever-diminishing returns.
Oh I know
I was just trying to think of a time where I really enjoyed when that happens, cause I think people generally DO kinda forget about those parts days after seeing it
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
the wayans brothers wb show was pretty good and i'll fight anyone who disagrees
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FishmanPut your goddamned hand in the goddamned Box of Pain.Registered Userregular
Too a degree I believe it's the ease of CGI effect that have led to the Superhero boom. There's a case to be made that it's he degree to to which it is easy and affordable to have people do unfeasibly unrealistic things that makes the spectacle of superhero movies special. It's just a natural evolution of the furthering of boundaries of FX.
If you think about 80's action movie hero, the scope was limited to what could be achieved with practical effects: the explosions of Rambo and Arnie; Christopher Reeve suspended by wire; the big rolling boulder of Indy. Which was all cool! But as CGI FX enabled filmmakers to destroy New York city streets, or shoot beams from their eyes, it allowed for a bigger scope of action hero. I think in a very real way it is the loss of being limited to practical effects at a price point where any action movie can add CGI spectacle that has enabled the superhero movie boom, and allow for a different scope of action story to be told.
Basically, I think that the boom in superhero movies is simply because CGI effects enable the superhero scope to be available to more than just a single tentpole studio blockbuster every year. They can now be produced widely and easily. That doesn't always mean they will be produced well, but I think they're no more going away than 'action movies' went away. A set of limitations has been removed and this is, to an extent, a new normal.
Unfortunately I also think that this becomes something of a binding restriction: if you are using a superhero setting, then you must also have superheor CGI spectacle. The freedom of being able to tell a superhero story with CGI means that you must use CGI to tell your superhero story. And that, I think needs to be subverted.
Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
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The Wolverine frustrates me more than Origins does
Because Origins has a ton of shit that I just actively dislike about that character (his origin is dumb, his Weapon X stuff is dumb, bone claws are dumb, etc) so they can go full stupid and I don't have to care
But The Wolverine has so much potential and they just squander it so badly about two thirds of the way through that it almost makes me mad it doesn't execute on it
Like the moment Logan acquires a new love interest that he straight up shouldn't have (because it's a samurai/ronin movie and his desire to protect her should be something beyond romance) the movie basically loses me because I can see exactly the point where a script doctor was brought in
I can guarantee you Darren Aronofsky's movie wouldn't have had that shit in it!
up until then, all of the flicks had good scenes here or there, but either the plot was a mess or they forgot about the rest of the cast for large chunks of time
like, i love first class, but save for mystique that movie is one hundred percent charles and erik's bad romance
I'm a few posts late, but the thing with The Wolverine is that it feels like two different movies put together
One of them is a somewhat grounded movie about Wolverine fighting the Yakuza while trying to keep a woman he's come to love safe
The other one has a climax involving a lizard woman and a giant robot samurai suit
And the thing is, I'd watch both of those movies!
They just don't work very well smashed together
Alternatively, mash them together more evenly.
This is also acceptable
As it is I remember sitting there in the movie theater thinking "Whoa, did they just accidentally add the end of one script onto the beginning of the other?"
I'm really looking forward to superhero movies growing out of 20-minute CG-fest climaxes
Winter Soldier had a similar "cool and unique early vibe abruptly turns into computer generated chaos" thing
after I did my Marvel marathon before Avengers 2, I had a hard time remembering what any movie looked like without a CGI clusterfuck at the end
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Raijin QuickfootI'm your Huckleberry YOU'RE NO DAISYRegistered User, ClubPAregular
I'm a few posts late, but the thing with The Wolverine is that it feels like two different movies put together
One of them is a somewhat grounded movie about Wolverine fighting the Yakuza while trying to keep a woman he's come to love safe
The other one has a climax involving a lizard woman and a giant robot samurai suit
And the thing is, I'd watch both of those movies!
They just don't work very well smashed together
Alternatively, mash them together more evenly.
This is also acceptable
As it is I remember sitting there in the movie theater thinking "Whoa, did they just accidentally add the end of one script onto the beginning of the other?"
I'm really looking forward to superhero movies growing out of 20-minute CG-fest climaxes
Winter Soldier had a similar "cool and unique early vibe abruptly turns into computer generated chaos" thing
after I did my Marvel marathon before Avengers 2, I had a hard time remembering what any movie looked like without a CGI clusterfuck at the end
The CGI clusterfuck at the end of Driving Miss Daisy is especially egregious.
Me and some friends were watching Avengers 2 recently and it was alright but holy shit the CGI clusterfuck at the end, we were all just kind of poleaxed by it until that one bit where all the Avengers are in the church and it goes slow motion, we all fucking lost it in hysterical laughter, every Avenger is smashing apart four different robots at once and all the robots are flying apart and there's a big flying purple man with a head laser and then it cuts to a close up of the Hulk and he's got a fucking mouthful of robot and he's shaking his head back and forth and snarling and just Jesus Christ almighty
It was the most insane and brain-pounding display of excessive cacophonous bedlam humanly possible, we laughed out of self defence, it was laugh or scream
Me and some friends were watching Avengers 2 recently and it was alright but holy shit the CGI clusterfuck at the end, we were all just kind of poleaxed by it until that one bit where all the Avengers are in the church and it goes slow motion, we all fucking lost it in hysterical laughter, every Avenger is smashing apart four different robots at once and all the robots are flying apart and there's a big flying purple man with a head laser and then it cuts to a close up of the Hulk and he's got a fucking mouthful of robot and he's shaking his head back and forth and snarling and just Jesus Christ almighty
It was the most insane and brain-pounding display of excessive cacophonous bedlam humanly possible, we laughed out of self defence, it was laugh or scream
Well, yeah, it's a comic book movie.
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
It's kind of impossible for me to not zone out during a lot of big messy cgi clusterfucks. I think the the frames get too dang busy with information for me to generally focus on what's happening. It's effective at making it chaotic, but not effective of being much more than texture. And most damning, often just boring or unmemorable.
I'm a few posts late, but the thing with The Wolverine is that it feels like two different movies put together
One of them is a somewhat grounded movie about Wolverine fighting the Yakuza while trying to keep a woman he's come to love safe
The other one has a climax involving a lizard woman and a giant robot samurai suit
And the thing is, I'd watch both of those movies!
They just don't work very well smashed together
Alternatively, mash them together more evenly.
This is also acceptable
As it is I remember sitting there in the movie theater thinking "Whoa, did they just accidentally add the end of one script onto the beginning of the other?"
I'm really looking forward to superhero movies growing out of 20-minute CG-fest climaxes
Winter Soldier had a similar "cool and unique early vibe abruptly turns into computer generated chaos" thing
after I did my Marvel marathon before Avengers 2, I had a hard time remembering what any movie looked like without a CGI clusterfuck at the end
The CGI clusterfuck at the end of Driving Miss Daisy is especially egregious.
Dude, that was actually all done with practical effects, which is what makes it great.
People must have stronger mental constitutions than myself, if I had seen that shit in theatres I would have stumbled and palsied through the exit like a fucking Somme veteran
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GustavFriend of GoatsSomewhere in the OzarksRegistered Userregular
I think it was the Hobbit 2 that fully broke me on getting anything out of pure spectacle. Those god damn cartoon dwarves bouncing around like the fucking Gummi Bears.
They don't have to be CG, they just usually are these days because it's cheaper
But a lot of Mad Max was practical, right?
I actually enjoy how some films are becoming more disciplined with their CG use, eleven years ago we had the space battle in Revenge of the Sith which is just red and green laser masturbation against a starry backdrop, but two years ago we had Guardians of the Galaxy, of which the Novas defending Xandar was the first time I ever legitimately enjoyed a space battle in a film (I still think the aerial battles on Knowhere are still too busy visually, though)
They don't have to be CG, they just usually are these days because it's cheaper
But a lot of Mad Max was practical, right?
I actually enjoy how some films are becoming more disciplined with their CG use, eleven years ago we had the space battle in Revenge of the Sith which is just red and green laser masturbation against a starry backdrop, but two years ago we had Guardians of the Galaxy, of which the Novas defending Xandar was the first time I ever legitimately enjoyed a space battle in a film (I still think the aerial battles on Knowhere are still too busy visually, though)
I think It'd be hard to find a shot in Mad Max that hasn't been CGI'd up, but it's heavily practical, yeah. It's just a good example of mixing the two.
The really good example of that was Master and Commander, for a while, but I think Mad Max is a good go-to now.
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I wish Master and Commander had done well enough for them to have turned that into a franchise. That was a fun movie.
I wish Master and Commander had done well enough for them to have turned that into a franchise. That was a fun movie.
Man I loved that movie, Russel Crowes crazy wig and the long extended shots of Russel Crowe pretending to play an instrument while very very clearly not playing an instrument and all
I wish Master and Commander had done well enough for them to have turned that into a franchise. That was a fun movie.
Man I loved that movie, Russel Crowes crazy wig and the long extended shots of Russel Crowe pretending to play an instrument while very very clearly not playing an instrument and all
Plenty of material to work with too, it came from one of a 20-book long series.
After seeing the movie I read the first two books (I think) and tried to get into it, but it never really took. I think it would be awesome to see more of them as movies, though.
Me and some friends were watching Avengers 2 recently and it was alright but holy shit the CGI clusterfuck at the end, we were all just kind of poleaxed by it until that one bit where all the Avengers are in the church and it goes slow motion, we all fucking lost it in hysterical laughter, every Avenger is smashing apart four different robots at once and all the robots are flying apart and there's a big flying purple man with a head laser and then it cuts to a close up of the Hulk and he's got a fucking mouthful of robot and he's shaking his head back and forth and snarling and just Jesus Christ almighty
It was the most insane and brain-pounding display of excessive cacophonous bedlam humanly possible, we laughed out of self defence, it was laugh or scream
Different strokes I guess, because my reaction to that scene was "Hell yeah hell yeah hell yeah".
You ever watch an older movie and think, "hey that actor went on to play <insert role>, neat! And that other guy did <insert role> and is in this movie too?"
Master and Commander having both Edwin Jarvis and J.A.R.V.I.S. in the same scenes made me chuckle.
You ever watch an older movie and think, "hey that actor went on to play <insert role>, neat! And that other guy did <insert role> and is in this movie too?"
Master and Commander having both Edwin Jarvis and J.A.R.V.I.S. in the same scenes made me chuckle.
This is the worst casting for those parts I could possibly imagine
But like
Perfectly the worst. It's really, really compelling how little like Nixon or Elvis those two are. Hell, it'd be closer to "right" if they swapped roles. But by being "right," it wouldn't be as interesting to me as it currently is.
This is the worst casting for those parts I could possibly imagine
But like
Perfectly the worst. It's really, really compelling how little like Nixon or Elvis those two are. Hell, it'd be closer to "right" if they swapped roles. But by being "right," it wouldn't be as interesting to me as it currently is.
What a strange little movie that looks to be.
Like "The Beatles" in Walk Hard.
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This is the worst casting for those parts I could possibly imagine
But like
Perfectly the worst. It's really, really compelling how little like Nixon or Elvis those two are. Hell, it'd be closer to "right" if they swapped roles. But by being "right," it wouldn't be as interesting to me as it currently is.
What a strange little movie that looks to be.
Yeah, before I actually watched the trailer proper (I was listening to something else), I like, skipped through it briefly to try to figure out who was cast as who
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Yeah, I think this matches up with a lot of my feelings too
Most superhero movies are a lot better in the building stages than in the climax
You know what, it kind of does!
I'd never really noticed it before because I enjoyed the chaos at the end, but when I think about why it's my favorite superhero movie, all of my favorite stuff in it is pretty front-loaded.
All the ships combining into a big net was super cool
I'm less into the rest of it though
It isn't even that for me...it is when they release yet another of their unending stream of movie/genre parodies.
I'm not saying it never works - Guardians has a cool one, Iron Man 3's manages to be a really neat character moment, the first Avengers fully earns its actual-meaning-of-the-word epic climax.
But every single superhero movie does it, to ever-diminishing returns.
Oh I know
I was just trying to think of a time where I really enjoyed when that happens, cause I think people generally DO kinda forget about those parts days after seeing it
Friedberg/Seltzer are way more egregious in both quantity and lack of quality
Not forgiving Shawn and Marlon, here, just sayin'
I'm there for the characters and it's the only thing I'm really going to remember unless there is some standout action or stylistic choices
Too a degree I believe it's the ease of CGI effect that have led to the Superhero boom. There's a case to be made that it's he degree to to which it is easy and affordable to have people do unfeasibly unrealistic things that makes the spectacle of superhero movies special. It's just a natural evolution of the furthering of boundaries of FX.
If you think about 80's action movie hero, the scope was limited to what could be achieved with practical effects: the explosions of Rambo and Arnie; Christopher Reeve suspended by wire; the big rolling boulder of Indy. Which was all cool! But as CGI FX enabled filmmakers to destroy New York city streets, or shoot beams from their eyes, it allowed for a bigger scope of action hero. I think in a very real way it is the loss of being limited to practical effects at a price point where any action movie can add CGI spectacle that has enabled the superhero movie boom, and allow for a different scope of action story to be told.
Basically, I think that the boom in superhero movies is simply because CGI effects enable the superhero scope to be available to more than just a single tentpole studio blockbuster every year. They can now be produced widely and easily. That doesn't always mean they will be produced well, but I think they're no more going away than 'action movies' went away. A set of limitations has been removed and this is, to an extent, a new normal.
Unfortunately I also think that this becomes something of a binding restriction: if you are using a superhero setting, then you must also have superheor CGI spectacle. The freedom of being able to tell a superhero story with CGI means that you must use CGI to tell your superhero story. And that, I think needs to be subverted.
Given your recent fighting record
You might not want to try to back this one up that way
So much bear bear
Because Origins has a ton of shit that I just actively dislike about that character (his origin is dumb, his Weapon X stuff is dumb, bone claws are dumb, etc) so they can go full stupid and I don't have to care
But The Wolverine has so much potential and they just squander it so badly about two thirds of the way through that it almost makes me mad it doesn't execute on it
Like the moment Logan acquires a new love interest that he straight up shouldn't have (because it's a samurai/ronin movie and his desire to protect her should be something beyond romance) the movie basically loses me because I can see exactly the point where a script doctor was brought in
I can guarantee you Darren Aronofsky's movie wouldn't have had that shit in it!
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it's about five percent January Jones' bad acting
after I did my Marvel marathon before Avengers 2, I had a hard time remembering what any movie looked like without a CGI clusterfuck at the end
The CGI clusterfuck at the end of Driving Miss Daisy is especially egregious.
It was the most insane and brain-pounding display of excessive cacophonous bedlam humanly possible, we laughed out of self defence, it was laugh or scream
Well, yeah, it's a comic book movie.
Dude, that was actually all done with practical effects, which is what makes it great.
They don't have to be CG, they just usually are these days because it's cheaper
But a lot of Mad Max was practical, right?
I actually enjoy how some films are becoming more disciplined with their CG use, eleven years ago we had the space battle in Revenge of the Sith which is just red and green laser masturbation against a starry backdrop, but two years ago we had Guardians of the Galaxy, of which the Novas defending Xandar was the first time I ever legitimately enjoyed a space battle in a film (I still think the aerial battles on Knowhere are still too busy visually, though)
I think It'd be hard to find a shot in Mad Max that hasn't been CGI'd up, but it's heavily practical, yeah. It's just a good example of mixing the two.
The really good example of that was Master and Commander, for a while, but I think Mad Max is a good go-to now.
Man I loved that movie, Russel Crowes crazy wig and the long extended shots of Russel Crowe pretending to play an instrument while very very clearly not playing an instrument and all
Scrape, scrape, scrape...
After seeing the movie I read the first two books (I think) and tried to get into it, but it never really took. I think it would be awesome to see more of them as movies, though.
Different strokes I guess, because my reaction to that scene was "Hell yeah hell yeah hell yeah".
Master and Commander having both Edwin Jarvis and J.A.R.V.I.S. in the same scenes made me chuckle.
Kickass. Double the Quicksilver of other movies.
This is the worst casting for those parts I could possibly imagine
But like
Perfectly the worst. It's really, really compelling how little like Nixon or Elvis those two are. Hell, it'd be closer to "right" if they swapped roles. But by being "right," it wouldn't be as interesting to me as it currently is.
What a strange little movie that looks to be.
Like "The Beatles" in Walk Hard.
Yeah, before I actually watched the trailer proper (I was listening to something else), I like, skipped through it briefly to try to figure out who was cast as who
Because neither one feels right for either role