I learned everything I know about being a functional human being from cartoons, so I have a closet full of exact duplicates of the one and only outfit I wear.
Though if you don't want to read the whole article a relevant quote is:
The Dissolve: In Star Wars, sound travels in a vacuum.
Tyson: Which is fine! I don’t put out a list of critiques on Star Wars because you can hear the ships in space, or that Han Solo explains how fast he can make a run on the Millennium Falcon in parsecs, which is a unit of distance. It’s fine, it can be what it wants. But if you’re going to try to make it right, I’m going to be right there with you.
The Dissolve: Well, it is a galaxy far, far away. Maybe the laws of physics are different there.
Tyson: Sure! Nobody likes the movie less for that. People think that when I offer a comment, I don’t like the movie.
He has a point that Internet culture in particular seems to really struggle with the idea that you can criticize something you like. We're so used to extremes where you unconditionally praise the things you like and unrepentantly shit on things you don't, that nuanced discussion, or even light-hearted ribbing, gets taken way out of context.
"this work of fiction is not entirely accurate to reality"
yeah, no shit
Yes, but it can be a fun conversation about how something isn't accurate to reality.
sure, but if someone isn't interested in having that conversation it doesn't mean that they can't handle hearing criticism of a thing they like
Look man, Tyson isn't going up to people and demanding they address these points he's making. He's tweeting these idle thoughts out into the internet in his own personal space.
"this work of fiction is not entirely accurate to reality"
yeah, no shit
Yes, but it can be a fun conversation about how something isn't accurate to reality.
sure, but if someone isn't interested in having that conversation it doesn't mean that they can't handle hearing criticism of a thing they like
nnno but judging from twitter a bunch of people are actively angry he's bringing it up, not just not interested in the conversation
personally I'm not going to fault people too hard if they think neil "aliens will think we're stupid because we have time zones" degrasse tyson is being too much of a grump about Scientific Accuracy to enjoy a thing
"this work of fiction is not entirely accurate to reality"
yeah, no shit
Yes, but it can be a fun conversation about how something isn't accurate to reality.
sure, but if someone isn't interested in having that conversation it doesn't mean that they can't handle hearing criticism of a thing they like
nnno but judging from twitter a bunch of people are actively angry he's bringing it up, not just not interested in the conversation
personally I'm not going to fault people too hard if they think neil "aliens will think we're stupid because we have time zones" degrasse tyson is being too much of a grump about Scientific Accuracy to enjoy a thing
but he isn't
he's specifically said he isn't
like this is the opposite of just not engaging in a conversation you're not interested in
its seeking out someone to crap on them because you aren't interested in that conversation
like neil tyson is absolutely the kind of person who would complain that people are excited about science fiction when they should be caring about Real Science
"this work of fiction is not entirely accurate to reality"
yeah, no shit
Yes, but it can be a fun conversation about how something isn't accurate to reality.
sure, but if someone isn't interested in having that conversation it doesn't mean that they can't handle hearing criticism of a thing they like
nnno but judging from twitter a bunch of people are actively angry he's bringing it up, not just not interested in the conversation
personally I'm not going to fault people too hard if they think neil "aliens will think we're stupid because we have time zones" degrasse tyson is being too much of a grump about Scientific Accuracy to enjoy a thing
He flat out said it doesn't affect is enjoyment though?
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like neil tyson is absolutely the kind of person who would complain that people are excited about science fiction when they should be caring about Real Science
except he's not
this is explicitly inventing an attitude he has not only not expressed but explicitly stated he does not have
"this work of fiction is not entirely accurate to reality"
yeah, no shit
Yes, but it can be a fun conversation about how something isn't accurate to reality.
sure, but if someone isn't interested in having that conversation it doesn't mean that they can't handle hearing criticism of a thing they like
If they are not interested in having the conversation, they can just...not have it. When the get all salty about it, they cannot handle even the mildest criticism of the thing they like. These aren't even criticisms, really. They're facts.
None of these tweets have an implied "and it sucks" at the end.
NDT thinks there's more stars in the sky than there are atoms in the universe
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I think that the Neil DeGrasse Tyson that exists in your mind and the one that exists in the real-ass physical world are two totally different constructs
like neil tyson is absolutely the kind of person who would complain that people are excited about science fiction when they should be caring about Real Science
Look if we didn't have time zones then we'd have to remember that 9PM is morning for some people and evening for others and we can't even remember that Australia has hot christmas
like neil tyson is absolutely the kind of person who would complain that people are excited about science fiction when they should be caring about Real Science
I thought Armageddon was thoroughly entertaining, though it’s probably the most scientifically offensive film ever made. The script is hilarious, it has some tender and heroic moments, the actors put on some great performances, it’s a nice ensemble. That one has the limit of those two extremes, for me. If I’m channel-surfing and I hit Armageddon, yeah, I’m gonna stop and watch it.
Look if we didn't have time zones then we'd have to remember that 9PM is morning for some people and evening for others and we can't even remember that Australia has hot christmas
maybe thats why he thinks aliens will think we're idiots
NDT is a big nerdy goof and I'm pretty okay with him being a big nerdy goof and picking things apart in a big nerdy goof way.
My eyes do roll around their sockets like a haywire BB-8 when I see that he has a withered turd like Richard Dawkins on his podcast to discuss religion.
Idk why so many people are confused by time zones it's just additon and subtraction of whole numbers
Especially if it's just 2-3 hours. It amazes me that people can get upset if they only get told something in one US timezone instead of all of them (same goes over here in Aus, if I get told something is 3PM Perth time, I instantly know what time that is here).
Look if we didn't have time zones then we'd have to remember that 9PM is morning for some people and evening for others and we can't even remember that Australia has hot christmas
Look it's literally the same thing because you'd be like "hey let's record at 9pm" and they'd be like "that's in the middle of the night for me, I can't" but now you just have a more precise "that's 2am for me"
It is useful for the 24h clock to mean the same thing worldwide Wrt the sun's local positon in the sky
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FencingsaxIt is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understandingGNU Terry PratchettRegistered Userregular
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I mean, this is coming from a guy who tells a story about the movie Titanic, and the first punchline is him getting dunked on. He is able to enjoy something while still thinking about the cool science parts. As I recall he did the same thing with Gravity.
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Low blow, McChilla. Low blow.
Neil agrees with you on this front too.
https://thedissolve.com/features/interview/604-neil-degrasse-tyson-doesnt-hate-the-movies/
Though if you don't want to read the whole article a relevant quote is:
The Dissolve: In Star Wars, sound travels in a vacuum.
Tyson: Which is fine! I don’t put out a list of critiques on Star Wars because you can hear the ships in space, or that Han Solo explains how fast he can make a run on the Millennium Falcon in parsecs, which is a unit of distance. It’s fine, it can be what it wants. But if you’re going to try to make it right, I’m going to be right there with you.
The Dissolve: Well, it is a galaxy far, far away. Maybe the laws of physics are different there.
Tyson: Sure! Nobody likes the movie less for that. People think that when I offer a comment, I don’t like the movie.
Steam | Twitter
yeah, no shit
Steam | Twitter
Yes, but it can be a fun conversation about how something isn't accurate to reality.
I mean but some of that stuff is interesting
like thinking about the physics of BB-8 on sand made me think about how the speeders work
they can't be putting out downward thrust right because they'd shoot sand everywhere while they were stationary above ground
that doesn't mean the movie is bad its just interesting
sure, but if someone isn't interested in having that conversation it doesn't mean that they can't handle hearing criticism of a thing they like
Steam | Twitter
nnno but judging from twitter a bunch of people are actively angry he's bringing it up, not just not interested in the conversation
Look man, Tyson isn't going up to people and demanding they address these points he's making. He's tweeting these idle thoughts out into the internet in his own personal space.
personally I'm not going to fault people too hard if they think neil "aliens will think we're stupid because we have time zones" degrasse tyson is being too much of a grump about Scientific Accuracy to enjoy a thing
Steam | Twitter
but he isn't
he's specifically said he isn't
like this is the opposite of just not engaging in a conversation you're not interested in
its seeking out someone to crap on them because you aren't interested in that conversation
it just seems awfully mean spirited
Steam | Twitter
He flat out said it doesn't affect is enjoyment though?
except he's not
this is explicitly inventing an attitude he has not only not expressed but explicitly stated he does not have
If they are not interested in having the conversation, they can just...not have it. When the get all salty about it, they cannot handle even the mildest criticism of the thing they like. These aren't even criticisms, really. They're facts.
None of these tweets have an implied "and it sucks" at the end.
Except he literally stated the opposite?
maybe thats why he thinks aliens will think we're idiots
On mobile and too lazy tbh
My eyes do roll around their sockets like a haywire BB-8 when I see that he has a withered turd like Richard Dawkins on his podcast to discuss religion.
Especially if it's just 2-3 hours. It amazes me that people can get upset if they only get told something in one US timezone instead of all of them (same goes over here in Aus, if I get told something is 3PM Perth time, I instantly know what time that is here).
It's so fucking hot
It is useful for the 24h clock to mean the same thing worldwide Wrt the sun's local positon in the sky