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[Canadian Politics] Justin Trudeau's Great Canadian Electoral Reform Personality Test
SwashbucklerXX
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CANADIAN POLITICS, EH?
'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even a louse
Back to our ridings we'd gone without care
Secure that St. Vickers would always be there
The sex-balanced cabinet, snug in their beds
Let visions of accolades dance in their heads
While leaders no longer in hairspray shellac
Had just settled down for a midwinter snack
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter
Trudeau rushed out of Sussex Rideau to check out the matter
When what to his wide-open eyes should appear
But the spectres of problems in shapes of reindeer
And a lich of a driver both haughty and shamed
Justin knew it was Canuck He Who Shall Not Be Named
More rapid than eagles his chargers they came
And he whistled, and cackled, and called them by name:
"Now Refugees, Pipelines, and Lin'gring Recession!
On Health Care, On Senate, On Native Oppression!
"From BC to Newfoundland, winter to fall
You've made so many promises, look at them all!
"And as regular Canucks kick back with their beers
You'll be trying to solve all of this in four years
"Sure they all think you're cute when they find me appalling
But it won't be too long 'fore election comes calling
"The honeymoon's over, won't be long till you say
Something dumb and get chided by MP Liz May."
But Justin, he laughed at the ex-PM's point
Declaring, "Hey, Gen X is runnin' this joint!
"We'll legalize pot and ditch first-past-the-post
Make sure that we're helping the middle class most
"And sure, some will grumble and cons will despair
And this goddamn economy's hard to repair
"But hey, I am handsome and know some smart peeps
And my government's made up of mostly-not-creeps."
With a nod and a finger astride of his nose
Young Justin, he struck an invincible pose
For until he screws up he's got new-PM sheen
"We're back!" He declares, "And it's 2015!"
'Twas the night before Christmas and all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even a louse
Back to our ridings we'd gone without care
Secure that St. Vickers would always be there
The sex-balanced cabinet, snug in their beds
Let visions of accolades dance in their heads
While leaders no longer in hairspray shellac
Had just settled down for a midwinter snack
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter
Trudeau rushed out of Sussex Rideau to check out the matter
When what to his wide-open eyes should appear
But the spectres of problems in shapes of reindeer
And a lich of a driver both haughty and shamed
Justin knew it was Canuck He Who Shall Not Be Named
More rapid than eagles his chargers they came
And he whistled, and cackled, and called them by name:
"Now Refugees, Pipelines, and Lin'gring Recession!
On Health Care, On Senate, On Native Oppression!
"From BC to Newfoundland, winter to fall
You've made so many promises, look at them all!
"And as regular Canucks kick back with their beers
You'll be trying to solve all of this in four years
"Sure they all think you're cute when they find me appalling
But it won't be too long 'fore election comes calling
"The honeymoon's over, won't be long till you say
Something dumb and get chided by MP Liz May."
But Justin, he laughed at the ex-PM's point
Declaring, "Hey, Gen X is runnin' this joint!
"We'll legalize pot and ditch first-past-the-post
Make sure that we're helping the middle class most
"And sure, some will grumble and cons will despair
And this goddamn economy's hard to repair
"But hey, I am handsome and know some smart peeps
And my government's made up of mostly-not-creeps."
With a nod and a finger astride of his nose
Young Justin, he struck an invincible pose
For until he screws up he's got new-PM sheen
"We're back!" He declares, "And it's 2015!"
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Can that gif of Mr. Harper, amusing as it still is, be left out of the OP? He's no longer in politics, and IMHO, we'll all be much better for the day that he's finally forgotten about altogether.
My favourite part is where he just sort of passes off his porn name.
And it's a damn good porn name.
I think I'll keep Harper.gif for now... those who don't remember the past are doomed to repeat it an' all.
What a time to be alive
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I'm... happy, but not enthusiastic.
Am I really the only person who feels like Mr. Mulcair just needed a little more time? I mean, I guess so. Oh well.
OTOH, I do like that we've been pushed along this last election to the point of actively looking for diversity in the leadership ranks. It's about damn time. Also I can already guess that I'll be excited at the prospect of NDP leadership change just because it's always exciting to get new things.
Well, let me know when you've come up with a way of bringing him back to life. I'm sure his widow would appreciate it.
I think more than anything, I'm bummed out that their new leader almost definitely won't be Megan Leslie.
I do like that they're putting an emphasis on considering candidates from less represented backgrounds.
Yeah, I like Mulcair and I think he's good but he ran a bad campaign.
Really, not the big about him getting to build the Millenium Falcon lego set.
Your PM is a nerd and I love him.
edit: also "nova scotia or british columbia yeah not a chance I'm answering that"
I see that our trust with the Tim Horton's brand has been well placed with the Americans.
While the hate and bigotry displayed here is deplorable, the fact that Americans call timbits "donut holes" is a crime of its own.
http://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2015/12/15/beer-arrives-in-ontario-grocery-stores.html
Could be better, but it's better then nothing.
Also apparently 20% of the beer sold must be from Ontario Craft Brewers. Loblaws has said they are trying to do up to 50% in their stores.
And hey, one of these stores is right down the street from my house!
Canadians see Donald Trump's Muslim-ban idea not so differently from Americans, polls indicate
Yeah; I have no doubt at all that if someone as rich & inflammatory as Mr. Trump were to decide to take a crack at conservative leadership up here, they'd sweep the CPC support hands down (especially if the 'establishment' people like Ambrose tried to oppose the rhetoric).
We kinda already knew some of us Canadians are hosers and posers. How about read it like "2/3rds of Canadians would tell Trump to take off, eh"
Its not so depressing in that Northern light.
Well, except for the part where the other 2/3rd of Canadians would then go on to argue about which progressive left-wing party would be better to lead them and split their vote, and Trump would win anyway.
Look Richy, maybe we agree on 99% of issues, and maybe 9/10 legislative issues would be to my benefit under the left wing candidate most well positioned to win my riding.
But my special snowflake candidate would give me 100% of what I want, so fuck y'all. I'm voting special snowflake!
If the country burns down around me afterward because I couldn't get 100% of what I want instead of just 99% of what I want, so be it!
If there's one thing that the Bush years taught me, it's that 27% of people--well, 27% of people who can be contacted by pollsters--will profess to believing anything.
And that they will believe anything if you make enough of an emotional plea, be it directly via a Trump or indirectly via a terrorist attack.
It also speaks to the increased level of polarization in the population where the breakdown is so strongly linked to Conservative supporters. It means that the red Tories are pretty much extinct and that politically we can expect stronger pendulum swings in the politics of the governing party (assuming we don't change our voting system to one that favours more centrist parties). From a tribal/sport team level this isn't bad, but from a social cohesion perspective it makes it harder for society to get along with itself and is the type of divisions that could exacerbate tensions between different cultural and ethnic groups even further. For a country with such a diverse ethnic and cultural composition, it also goes against some of the more common Canadian identity keystones.
Wait, did Harper get re-elected, or did we literally have an election less than 2 months ago that disproves this?
He's the only one of a group of obvious bullshitters that is honest abut it.
He could be America's Nero.
Did we disprove this? Let's look at the last four election results, the three Harper won and the most recent one he lost.
2015:
Conservatives: 32%
Liberals + NDP: 59% (39% + 20%)
2011:
Conservatives: 40%
Liberals + NDP: 50% (19% + 31%)
2008:
Conservatives: 38%
Liberals + NDP: 44% (26% + 18%)
2004:
Conservatives: 36%
Liberals + NDP: 48% (30% + 18%)
Do you see the left putting aside its minor ideological differences and uniting to stop the right? Because I certainly don't. I see the left consistently dominating the right, but being consistently split with a little over a third of voters going one way and the other two thirds going the other. This pattern did no change in 2015. Ten fucking years of Harper was not enough to push Liberal and NDP supporters to work together.
The difference in 2015 is the drop the Cons suffered, and that is mostly due to people being sick of Harper personally. That's why he had ads near the end of the campaign pleading people to forget about him and vote for money (because when you want people to forget about you, the best thing to do is to go on national television to ask them to).
If Trump ran for Canadian PM under the CPC banner, free of the 10 years of baggage Harper was carrying in 2015, the left still wouldn't unite, and he'd win hands down.
The unite the "Insert your choice ideology here" is what got us into this mess.
Things were fine until the Reform party took over the Tories. Now there's no Tories thanks to Unite the Right and we're worse off for it.
Hopefully with the Liberal victory the CPC will break apart into the two factions again, but aping the US two party system is not what we should be striving for.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm 100% with you on that. I do not want a US-style two-party system. I'd love for the right to splinter into multiple parties like the left, rather than see the left unite.
My post was to disprove the idea that the 2015 election somehow shows that the left can work together to defeat a horrible right-wing candidate, and would do it again to stop Trump if he ran here. Trudeau's victory owes nothing to a united left at all.
The problem is that the reason the Cons exist in the first place is still true: there's alot of Reform party types and the PC types are just much less numerous and dependable overall. Without the alliance, they can't win.
It's basically the same kind of issue the Left has, except more extreme imbalance and they already got united which makes their position LESS likely to reverse.
The truth is the Cons exist because they need to in order to make a government. And that has not changed. They likely see this election, correctly, as only a temporary setback and not a fundamental problem with their alliance.
This is why I don't think they will split though. Because what you are talking about is a big part of what makes the red tories unreliable and makes the PC party so dependant on their alliance with the Reform people.
Eh, if we actually get voter reform passed the chances of a united CPC forming the government go down considerably, which might convince the less crazy wing to take their chances free of the reform baggage. But who knows.
You are assuming all Liberal voters qualify as "left". That is an oversimplification. The Liberal Party is close to the center, and as a result appeals to people who would qualify themselves as "center-right" as well. As per the results you've posted above, the vote does not simply swing back and forth between the NDP and the Liberals - the CPC is also clearly affected by it. There's a reason why Trudeau campaigned for Torie votes in Ontario this election (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-makes-pitch-to-conservative-voters/article26770502/).
If Canada had a two-party system with only the CPC and the NDP present, I would expect vote percentages to be much closer to 50% for each respective party.
Apparently the Canadian press really really wants me to believe that a terrible injustice has occurred, and I am trying to figure-out what the deal is (...seems kind of open and shut to me? Dude was wearing a jacket with the victim's blood on it, lied about wearing that jacket / claimed it had been lost, etc).
The basis of the case was very circumstantial, alot of people viewing from outside the trial feel there was more than reasonable doubt.
That's what I gathered from it going on. the local police force is doing an inquest into how they handled it, although they feel vindicated that a conviction did occur.
general consensus is he did it but the case wasn't good enough for a conviction. There will be appeals and it will take even longer to sort out.
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...How late? That can be pretty big deal.
Well, in fairness, that's all you really need for a jury trial.
Well, not really fair. General consensus is not helpful, the higher the media profile of a particular case before the courts, the more likely people are to think the person is guilty, with or without all the evidence brought to the court.
right. outside consensus is not the same as consensus in the jury. The media and reporting of the events can heavily sway opinion. plus the general public doesnt have to abide by the strict rules of trial and jury considerations.
The late testing was an issue that the police had a length of time for the warrant and evidence. the testing occurred after the end date of the warrant. The judge let the jacket come into evidence, basically stating that it was a procedural error. There was also some things with a cell phone, trying to pinpoint the son's location using the fact that his cell phone used a tower nearby, but from all reporting it seemed like a pretty flimsy way of putting the son in the office.
Also there is alot more going on there that will probably never be public. the fact that he was supported by his whole family, there was the issue of the father's mistress, he was not the most nice guy. I think there was alot of strange internal family politics going on.
Oh! another fact is they never recovered a murder weapon, he was apparently struck over 40 times, alot of speculation that it was a hammer used. The whole thing is kinda like a boat full of holes that refused to sink.
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