Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
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fuck you Israel
you don't see the Armenians pulling those sorts of bullshit statements out of their asses do you
"It is anti-Christian to criticize the Republican Party"
Israel has been claiming anti-semitism and using the holocaust to deflect criticism for decades.
The worlds just getting tired of their bullshit, so its no surprise to me they are doubling down on it..considering its the only defense they have for their reprehensible actions and behavior.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enlfame actual antisemitism, the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I have read various interviews with Ayelet Shaked before - admittedly, in English, but she is also apparently quite fluent - and I would say that 1) ThinkProgress is not misinterpreting her here, and 2) she does not seem to be someone who came to that position for political advantage but rather a true believer. If it is not immediately true that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, it's at least her goal to make it so.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enlfame actual antisemitism, the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I have a huge amount of sympathy for non Israeli Jews who get tarred with the same brush. It must be seriously shitty to deal with the anti-sematism that idiots like Likud kick up because they're thugs hiding behind a religion.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enlfame actual antisemitism, the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I have a huge amount of sympathy for non Israeli Jews who get tarred with the same brush. It must be seriously shitty to deal with the anti-sematism that idiots like Likud kick up because they're thugs hiding behind a religion.
Oh and also in a Middle East round-up: Iranians pissed about the 2 Billion seizure Which I saw that coming. Its diplomatically dangerous for the US yes. But part of me goes what were the Iranians thinking? That they would be instant friends with the US? That kind of relationship change takes DECADES. And happens a hell of a lot easier when you don't have your hands up the ass of Hezbollah.
Oh its even better, that money was deposited by the Ahmadinijad regime. Someone in a high leadership positiom Iran thought it would be a good idea to deposit 2 billion illegally through intermediaries in a US bank account around the same time John McCain was singing the bomb Iran song.
Another absurdly bloody day in Baghdad, with suicide bombings and car bombs/other IEDS killing scores, mostly in Shi'a neighborhoods. That article gives 77 as a toll, but I've also heard higher numbers. Sadr's forces are reportedly deployed on the streets now; from that article it sounds like Sadr City is pretty much under his control rather than that of the Iraqi Security Forces.
This shit is giving me flashbacks to the headlines I remember from a decade ago.
You need 2/3 from each Chamber and a veto tends to result in less votes for the bill the second time around. So it wouldn't matter if 100% of the Senate said "yes," if less than 2/3 of the has House is on board. Granted, this also needs to go through the house before it hits Obama's desk and I wouldn't put it past the opportunistic ratfuckers that currently control it, to load it up with a bunch shit (granted it's pretty shitty to begin with) that makes the Senate democrats unwilling to support overriding the veto. I mean knowing those fuckers, they'll think they can get away with it by screaming "but terrorists and anyone that doesn't support this is supporting terrorist."
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
new antisemitism is actually a really interesting and thorny topic. i think that thinkprogress representation of her statements is at best ignorant - the wapo article at least seems to know the background on where her remarks are coming from (it uses new antisemitism for the headline although it doesn't delve into the topic for the actual article)
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
new antisemitism is actually a really interesting and thorny topic. i think that thinkprogress representation of her statements is at best ignorant - the wapo article at least seems to know the background on where her remarks are coming from (it uses new antisemitism for the headline although it doesn't delve into the topic for the actual article)
I think the Wiki article pretty much nails the issue with "new antisemitism":
Critics of the concept argue that it conflates anti-Zionism with antisemitism, defines legitimate criticism of Israel too narrowly and demonization too broadly, trivializes the meaning of antisemitism, and exploits antisemitism in order to silence political debate
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
new antisemitism is actually a really interesting and thorny topic. i think that thinkprogress representation of her statements is at best ignorant - the wapo article at least seems to know the background on where her remarks are coming from (it uses new antisemitism for the headline although it doesn't delve into the topic for the actual article)
I think the Wiki article pretty much nails the issue with "new antisemitism":
Critics of the concept argue that it conflates anti-Zionism with antisemitism, defines legitimate criticism of Israel too narrowly and demonization too broadly, trivializes the meaning of antisemitism, and exploits antisemitism in order to silence political debate
it's thorny because some-lots criticism of israel obviously comes from antisemites
from the thinkprogress article
Certainly, some criticisms of Israel veer into blatant anti-Semitic territory or have support from anti-Semitic individuals or factions, and anti-Semitism in general has not disappeared. At a pro-Palestinian protest in Germany in 2014, for example, the Washington Post noted that organizers had to line out a list of rules for demonstrators.
“No burning the Israeli flag.
Not antisemitic, fine
No shouts of ‘Death to Israel.’
not inherently antisemitic but deeply troubling either way
And absolutely no repeating the slogan ‘Jew, Jew, cowardly pig, come out and fight alone’ — a rhyming chant in German that had become increasingly common at pro-Palestinian rallies here before being nipped in the bud by German authorities,” the Post reported
blatant, wtf antisemitism
which is basically what the justice minister was actually saying -
“In the past, we saw European leaders speaking against the Jews. Now, we see them speaking against Israel. It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libels, spreading lies, distorting reality and brainwashing people into hating Israel and the Jews,” Shaked told the Washington Post. “Today, it is not politically correct to be anti-Semitic but being anti-Israeli is acceptable. People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership positions.”
- not that criticizing Israel is antisemitic, but that because antisemitism is no longer broadly acceptable, antisemites who want to maintain respectability have moved onto criticizing Israel (and you can say it is an attempt to conflate antisemitism and antizionism to delegitimize anti-Israel voices, which it is, but it's also not wrong). and that makes everything murky - is someone making a legitimate complaint about Israel for the 'right' reasons, or because they are antisemitic / have internalized antisemitic rhetoric (or, likely - both)?
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
new antisemitism is actually a really interesting and thorny topic. i think that thinkprogress representation of her statements is at best ignorant - the wapo article at least seems to know the background on where her remarks are coming from (it uses new antisemitism for the headline although it doesn't delve into the topic for the actual article)
I think the Wiki article pretty much nails the issue with "new antisemitism":
Critics of the concept argue that it conflates anti-Zionism with antisemitism, defines legitimate criticism of Israel too narrowly and demonization too broadly, trivializes the meaning of antisemitism, and exploits antisemitism in order to silence political debate
it's thorny because some-lots criticism of israel obviously comes from antisemites
from the thinkprogress article
Certainly, some criticisms of Israel veer into blatant anti-Semitic territory or have support from anti-Semitic individuals or factions, and anti-Semitism in general has not disappeared. At a pro-Palestinian protest in Germany in 2014, for example, the Washington Post noted that organizers had to line out a list of rules for demonstrators.
“No burning the Israeli flag.
Not antisemitic, fine
No shouts of ‘Death to Israel.’
not inherently antisemitic but deeply troubling either way
And absolutely no repeating the slogan ‘Jew, Jew, cowardly pig, come out and fight alone’ — a rhyming chant in German that had become increasingly common at pro-Palestinian rallies here before being nipped in the bud by German authorities,” the Post reported
blatant, wtf antisemitism
which is basically what the justice minister was actually saying -
“In the past, we saw European leaders speaking against the Jews. Now, we see them speaking against Israel. It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libels, spreading lies, distorting reality and brainwashing people into hating Israel and the Jews,” Shaked told the Washington Post. “Today, it is not politically correct to be anti-Semitic but being anti-Israeli is acceptable. People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership positions.”
- not that criticizing Israel is antisemitic, but that because antisemitism is no longer broadly acceptable, antisemites who want to maintain respectability have moved onto criticizing Israel (and you can say it is an attempt to conflate antisemitism and antizionism to delegitimize anti-Israel voices, which it is, but it's also not wrong). and that makes everything murky - is someone making a legitimate complaint about Israel for the 'right' reasons, or because they are antisemitic / have internalized antisemitic rhetoric (or, likely - both)?
That is not at all how the statement reads or what it says imo.
"In the past, we saw European leaders speaking against the Jews. Now, we see them speaking against Israel. It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libels, spreading lies, distorting reality and brainwashing people into hating Israel and the Jews,” Shaked told the Washington Post. “Today, it is not politically correct to be anti-Semitic but being anti-Israeli is acceptable. People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership positions."
This is a clear straight-forward attempt to say that anti-Israel talk is the same as old school anti-semitism. She direct compares it to shit like blood libel. At no point is there any clarification that what she's saying is that anti-Israel sentiment is just a cover for anti-semitism but that anti-Israel sentiment is totally valid on it's own. At no point is she actually making that point. All she's actually saying there is "anti-Israel talk is just the new politically correct anti-semitism". She directly makes the accusation in the last paragraph.
You are reading things into the statement that are not there in the parts quoted.
It seems like it would be really easy for the goverment of Israel to seperate legitimate criticism from veiled anitsemitism. Just stop acting like neofascist shitbags and it should become obvious. The best way to sort out bigots from people with legitimate anger is to eliminate the reasons for the anger and see who is left.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
new antisemitism is actually a really interesting and thorny topic. i think that thinkprogress representation of her statements is at best ignorant - the wapo article at least seems to know the background on where her remarks are coming from (it uses new antisemitism for the headline although it doesn't delve into the topic for the actual article)
I think the Wiki article pretty much nails the issue with "new antisemitism":
Critics of the concept argue that it conflates anti-Zionism with antisemitism, defines legitimate criticism of Israel too narrowly and demonization too broadly, trivializes the meaning of antisemitism, and exploits antisemitism in order to silence political debate
it's thorny because some-lots criticism of israel obviously comes from antisemites
from the thinkprogress article
Certainly, some criticisms of Israel veer into blatant anti-Semitic territory or have support from anti-Semitic individuals or factions, and anti-Semitism in general has not disappeared. At a pro-Palestinian protest in Germany in 2014, for example, the Washington Post noted that organizers had to line out a list of rules for demonstrators.
“No burning the Israeli flag.
Not antisemitic, fine
No shouts of ‘Death to Israel.’
not inherently antisemitic but deeply troubling either way
And absolutely no repeating the slogan ‘Jew, Jew, cowardly pig, come out and fight alone’ — a rhyming chant in German that had become increasingly common at pro-Palestinian rallies here before being nipped in the bud by German authorities,” the Post reported
blatant, wtf antisemitism
which is basically what the justice minister was actually saying -
“In the past, we saw European leaders speaking against the Jews. Now, we see them speaking against Israel. It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libels, spreading lies, distorting reality and brainwashing people into hating Israel and the Jews,” Shaked told the Washington Post. “Today, it is not politically correct to be anti-Semitic but being anti-Israeli is acceptable. People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership positions.”
- not that criticizing Israel is antisemitic, but that because antisemitism is no longer broadly acceptable, antisemites who want to maintain respectability have moved onto criticizing Israel (and you can say it is an attempt to conflate antisemitism and antizionism to delegitimize anti-Israel voices, which it is, but it's also not wrong). and that makes everything murky - is someone making a legitimate complaint about Israel for the 'right' reasons, or because they are antisemitic / have internalized antisemitic rhetoric (or, likely - both)?
That is not at all how the statement reads or what it says imo.
"In the past, we saw European leaders speaking against the Jews. Now, we see them speaking against Israel. It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libels, spreading lies, distorting reality and brainwashing people into hating Israel and the Jews,” Shaked told the Washington Post. “Today, it is not politically correct to be anti-Semitic but being anti-Israeli is acceptable. People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership positions."
This is a clear straight-forward attempt to say that anti-Israel talk is the same as old school anti-semitism. She direct compares it to shit like blood libel. At no point is there any clarification that what she's saying is that anti-Israel sentiment is just a cover for anti-semitism but that anti-Israel sentiment is totally valid on it's own. At no point is she actually making that point. All she's actually saying there is "anti-Israel talk is just the new politically correct anti-semitism". She directly makes the accusation in the last paragraph.
You are reading things into the statement that are not there in the parts quoted.
it's almost like there's a broader context to the remarks that would helpful to understanding them. (and do you really expect a gov't official to say "well of course it's entirely legitimate to think Israel sucks" and engage in the level of nuance you want?)
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
new antisemitism is actually a really interesting and thorny topic. i think that thinkprogress representation of her statements is at best ignorant - the wapo article at least seems to know the background on where her remarks are coming from (it uses new antisemitism for the headline although it doesn't delve into the topic for the actual article)
I think the Wiki article pretty much nails the issue with "new antisemitism":
Critics of the concept argue that it conflates anti-Zionism with antisemitism, defines legitimate criticism of Israel too narrowly and demonization too broadly, trivializes the meaning of antisemitism, and exploits antisemitism in order to silence political debate
it's thorny because some-lots criticism of israel obviously comes from antisemites
from the thinkprogress article
Certainly, some criticisms of Israel veer into blatant anti-Semitic territory or have support from anti-Semitic individuals or factions, and anti-Semitism in general has not disappeared. At a pro-Palestinian protest in Germany in 2014, for example, the Washington Post noted that organizers had to line out a list of rules for demonstrators.
“No burning the Israeli flag.
Not antisemitic, fine
No shouts of ‘Death to Israel.’
not inherently antisemitic but deeply troubling either way
And absolutely no repeating the slogan ‘Jew, Jew, cowardly pig, come out and fight alone’ — a rhyming chant in German that had become increasingly common at pro-Palestinian rallies here before being nipped in the bud by German authorities,” the Post reported
blatant, wtf antisemitism
which is basically what the justice minister was actually saying -
“In the past, we saw European leaders speaking against the Jews. Now, we see them speaking against Israel. It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libels, spreading lies, distorting reality and brainwashing people into hating Israel and the Jews,” Shaked told the Washington Post. “Today, it is not politically correct to be anti-Semitic but being anti-Israeli is acceptable. People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership positions.”
- not that criticizing Israel is antisemitic, but that because antisemitism is no longer broadly acceptable, antisemites who want to maintain respectability have moved onto criticizing Israel (and you can say it is an attempt to conflate antisemitism and antizionism to delegitimize anti-Israel voices, which it is, but it's also not wrong). and that makes everything murky - is someone making a legitimate complaint about Israel for the 'right' reasons, or because they are antisemitic / have internalized antisemitic rhetoric (or, likely - both)?
That is not at all how the statement reads or what it says imo.
"In the past, we saw European leaders speaking against the Jews. Now, we see them speaking against Israel. It is the same anti-Semitism of blood libels, spreading lies, distorting reality and brainwashing people into hating Israel and the Jews,” Shaked told the Washington Post. “Today, it is not politically correct to be anti-Semitic but being anti-Israeli is acceptable. People who have such anti-Semitic views should not be allowed to hold central leadership positions."
This is a clear straight-forward attempt to say that anti-Israel talk is the same as old school anti-semitism. She direct compares it to shit like blood libel. At no point is there any clarification that what she's saying is that anti-Israel sentiment is just a cover for anti-semitism but that anti-Israel sentiment is totally valid on it's own. At no point is she actually making that point. All she's actually saying there is "anti-Israel talk is just the new politically correct anti-semitism". She directly makes the accusation in the last paragraph.
You are reading things into the statement that are not there in the parts quoted.
it's almost like there's a broader context to the remarks that would helpful to understanding them. (and do you really expect a gov't official to say "well of course it's entirely legitimate to think Israel sucks" and engage in the level of nuance you want?)
What is that broader context exactly? Cause the broader context to me seems to be that this statement is part of a longstanding attempt to paint criticism of the state of Israel as anti-semitic in order to deflect it.
Nothing in her statements or their context indicates she didn't mean exactly what she said and not the other thing you wish she had said.
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I missed it the first time through, but she's saying 'anti-Israeli', not 'anti-Israel'. That's a pretty big difference.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
Another absurdly bloody day in Baghdad, with suicide bombings and car bombs/other IEDS killing scores, mostly in Shi'a neighborhoods. That article gives 77 as a toll, but I've also heard higher numbers. Sadr's forces are reportedly deployed on the streets now; from that article it sounds like Sadr City is pretty much under his control rather than that of the Iraqi Security Forces.
This shit is giving me flashbacks to the headlines I remember from a decade ago.
I think we may still be here around 2023. Except the popular political narrative for the initial invasion of Iraq will be even more divorced from reality, the actual leadership involved will be largely exonerated by disinterest.
But I'm a pessimist, and I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I now have an opportunity to discuss my uncle on topic!
My uncle used to be a moonbat. Between 'Nam and the Bush Era a few screws went loose, but he was a nice witchy man who thought that all folk were one folk 'cause Babel and shit. He didn't hate Muslims until Obama was elected, so, yeah.
Now he has demented race theories, but it's okay because he's totally Jewish. Not only is he saying he's Jewish-Neanderthal-Aryan, but he's also claiming to be descended of Israel's priestly caste. He and his peers are building their own reconstruction of Judaism that ignores actually existing Judaism for what Evangelical assholes think it is. They ran a real Rabbi back out to Colorado. But, the thing that surprises me is how quickly they went from "We're real Christians because we're going back to the source." to "Any religion based on human sacrifice is wrong and the BLOOD DRINKERS want to enslave you to their queerofascist agenda!". I mean, I knew when Christianity stopped being useful they'd dump it in a ditch and start a new religion just for them, but I didn't expect it to be so quick. They're talking about "the people of Shem" and saying "real Jews aren't Semites".
Anyway, there are folk in Israel validating this shit. He tells me he can go to Israel and get in as a citizen, and I don't doubt him. When Bibi blamed Palestinians for the Holocaust, he knew what he was doing.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I now have an opportunity to discuss my uncle on topic!
My uncle used to be a moonbat. Between 'Nam and the Bush Era a few screws went loose, but he was a nice witchy man who thought that all folk were one folk 'cause Babel and shit. He didn't hate Muslims until Obama was elected, so, yeah.
Now he has demented race theories, but it's okay because he's totally Jewish. Not only is he saying he's Jewish-Neanderthal-Aryan, but he's also claiming to be descended of Israel's priestly caste. He and his peers are building their own reconstruction of Judaism that ignores actually existing Judaism for what Evangelical assholes think it is. They ran a real Rabbi back out to Colorado. But, the thing that surprises me is how quickly they went from "We're real Christians because we're going back to the source." to "Any religion based on human sacrifice is wrong and the BLOOD DRINKERS want to enslave you to their queerofascist agenda!". I mean, I knew when Christianity stopped being useful they'd dump it in a ditch and start a new religion just for them, but I didn't expect it to be so quick. They're talking about "the people of Shem" and saying "real Jews aren't Semites".
Anyway, there are folk in Israel validating this shit. He tells me he can go to Israel and get in as a citizen, and I don't doubt him. When Bibi blamed Palestinians for the Holocaust, he knew what he was doing.
Jewish-Neanderthal-Aryan
Jewish because it's old school, Aryan because that's how crazy racial talk goes, but Neanderthal?
And I would be surprised, but not too surprised, if he would be able to get Israeli citizenship. Their demographic and birthrate situation means they're probably looking to bolster the non-Palestinian population numbers anyway they can.
Shut up, Mr. Burton! You were not brought upon this world to get it!
I missed it the first time through, but she's saying 'anti-Israeli', not 'anti-Israel'. That's a pretty big difference.
She says both and uses them interchangeably:
In the past, we saw European leaders speaking against the Jews. Now, we see them speaking against Israel.
This also ignores the long period of time in between during which European leaders never criticized Israel. If the world's new critcism of Israel seems sudden, maybe that's more because they chewed up everybody's goodwill/patience.
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I now have an opportunity to discuss my uncle on topic!
My uncle used to be a moonbat. Between 'Nam and the Bush Era a few screws went loose, but he was a nice witchy man who thought that all folk were one folk 'cause Babel and shit. He didn't hate Muslims until Obama was elected, so, yeah.
Now he has demented race theories, but it's okay because he's totally Jewish. Not only is he saying he's Jewish-Neanderthal-Aryan, but he's also claiming to be descended of Israel's priestly caste. He and his peers are building their own reconstruction of Judaism that ignores actually existing Judaism for what Evangelical assholes think it is. They ran a real Rabbi back out to Colorado. But, the thing that surprises me is how quickly they went from "We're real Christians because we're going back to the source." to "Any religion based on human sacrifice is wrong and the BLOOD DRINKERS want to enslave you to their queerofascist agenda!". I mean, I knew when Christianity stopped being useful they'd dump it in a ditch and start a new religion just for them, but I didn't expect it to be so quick. They're talking about "the people of Shem" and saying "real Jews aren't Semites".
Anyway, there are folk in Israel validating this shit. He tells me he can go to Israel and get in as a citizen, and I don't doubt him. When Bibi blamed Palestinians for the Holocaust, he knew what he was doing.
I don't even understand what I'm reading. The words are... recognizable as English, but I can't comprehend them in their given order. Am I having a stroke?
Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I now have an opportunity to discuss my uncle on topic!
My uncle used to be a moonbat. Between 'Nam and the Bush Era a few screws went loose, but he was a nice witchy man who thought that all folk were one folk 'cause Babel and shit. He didn't hate Muslims until Obama was elected, so, yeah.
Now he has demented race theories, but it's okay because he's totally Jewish. Not only is he saying he's Jewish-Neanderthal-Aryan, but he's also claiming to be descended of Israel's priestly caste. He and his peers are building their own reconstruction of Judaism that ignores actually existing Judaism for what Evangelical assholes think it is. They ran a real Rabbi back out to Colorado. But, the thing that surprises me is how quickly they went from "We're real Christians because we're going back to the source." to "Any religion based on human sacrifice is wrong and the BLOOD DRINKERS want to enslave you to their queerofascist agenda!". I mean, I knew when Christianity stopped being useful they'd dump it in a ditch and start a new religion just for them, but I didn't expect it to be so quick. They're talking about "the people of Shem" and saying "real Jews aren't Semites".
Anyway, there are folk in Israel validating this shit. He tells me he can go to Israel and get in as a citizen, and I don't doubt him. When Bibi blamed Palestinians for the Holocaust, he knew what he was doing.
I don't even understand what I'm reading. The words are... recognizable as English, but I can't comprehend them in their given order. Am I having a stroke?
He started out saying "My uncle used to be a moonbat." So, I don't even think all of the words are english.
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Inevitably accusations of antisemitism go around whenever this comes up. Which is why I'm always careful to accuse the Likud party of hatred and fearmongering and not just Israel in general.
We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
To be fair, that's not actually her quote, but ThinkProgress's interpretation of her statements. Not that their interpretation is that far off base.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I now have an opportunity to discuss my uncle on topic!
My uncle used to be a moonbat. Between 'Nam and the Bush Era a few screws went loose, but he was a nice witchy man who thought that all folk were one folk 'cause Babel and shit. He didn't hate Muslims until Obama was elected, so, yeah.
Now he has demented race theories, but it's okay because he's totally Jewish. Not only is he saying he's Jewish-Neanderthal-Aryan, but he's also claiming to be descended of Israel's priestly caste. He and his peers are building their own reconstruction of Judaism that ignores actually existing Judaism for what Evangelical assholes think it is. They ran a real Rabbi back out to Colorado. But, the thing that surprises me is how quickly they went from "We're real Christians because we're going back to the source." to "Any religion based on human sacrifice is wrong and the BLOOD DRINKERS want to enslave you to their queerofascist agenda!". I mean, I knew when Christianity stopped being useful they'd dump it in a ditch and start a new religion just for them, but I didn't expect it to be so quick. They're talking about "the people of Shem" and saying "real Jews aren't Semites".
Anyway, there are folk in Israel validating this shit. He tells me he can go to Israel and get in as a citizen, and I don't doubt him. When Bibi blamed Palestinians for the Holocaust, he knew what he was doing.
I don't even understand what I'm reading. The words are... recognizable as English, but I can't comprehend them in their given order. Am I having a stroke?
He started out saying "My uncle used to be a moonbat." So, I don't even think all of the words are english.
Moonbat was a derogatory term for a Liberal back in the day.
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We know they all think it but I've never seen it put quite so bluntly by an official before.
It probably started out as a cynical means of employing political correctness to deflect valid criticism but you repeat a lie often enough eventually you start believing it.
you don't see the Armenians pulling those sorts of bullshit statements out of their asses do you
Just replace a couple of words!
"It is anti-Christian to criticize the Republican Party"
Israel has been claiming anti-semitism and using the holocaust to deflect criticism for decades.
The worlds just getting tired of their bullshit, so its no surprise to me they are doubling down on it..considering its the only defense they have for their reprehensible actions and behavior.
This sentiment always disturbs me. Conflation of Israel and the Jews is not only disrespectful to those Jews who aren't Israeli/don't want to be identified with Israel, but has the potential to further enflame actual antisemitism, to the extent that the conflation is successful and as a result of increasingly negative sentiment toward Israel's actions.
I have read various interviews with Ayelet Shaked before - admittedly, in English, but she is also apparently quite fluent - and I would say that 1) ThinkProgress is not misinterpreting her here, and 2) she does not seem to be someone who came to that position for political advantage but rather a true believer. If it is not immediately true that any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic, it's at least her goal to make it so.
I have a huge amount of sympathy for non Israeli Jews who get tarred with the same brush. It must be seriously shitty to deal with the anti-sematism that idiots like Likud kick up because they're thugs hiding behind a religion.
The problem is bigger than Likud, seriously this was covered on the last page
And they think they have enough votes to override a veto.
Hoo boy.
On the one hand, I hate the Saudi Arabian government. Just to bits. For reasons I have described before.
On the other hand, this is a giant can of worms. GIANT.
I wonder how many of these Senators also blocked the provision of AMERICAN funds to 9/11 rescue workers.
This shit is giving me flashbacks to the headlines I remember from a decade ago.
Well, it was unanimous, so I'm going to go with, yeah they have the votes.
battletag: Millin#1360
Nice chart to figure out how honest a news source is.
I think the Wiki article pretty much nails the issue with "new antisemitism": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism
from the thinkprogress article Not antisemitic, fine not inherently antisemitic but deeply troubling either way blatant, wtf antisemitism
which is basically what the justice minister was actually saying - - not that criticizing Israel is antisemitic, but that because antisemitism is no longer broadly acceptable, antisemites who want to maintain respectability have moved onto criticizing Israel (and you can say it is an attempt to conflate antisemitism and antizionism to delegitimize anti-Israel voices, which it is, but it's also not wrong). and that makes everything murky - is someone making a legitimate complaint about Israel for the 'right' reasons, or because they are antisemitic / have internalized antisemitic rhetoric (or, likely - both)?
That is not at all how the statement reads or what it says imo.
This is a clear straight-forward attempt to say that anti-Israel talk is the same as old school anti-semitism. She direct compares it to shit like blood libel. At no point is there any clarification that what she's saying is that anti-Israel sentiment is just a cover for anti-semitism but that anti-Israel sentiment is totally valid on it's own. At no point is she actually making that point. All she's actually saying there is "anti-Israel talk is just the new politically correct anti-semitism". She directly makes the accusation in the last paragraph.
You are reading things into the statement that are not there in the parts quoted.
What is that broader context exactly? Cause the broader context to me seems to be that this statement is part of a longstanding attempt to paint criticism of the state of Israel as anti-semitic in order to deflect it.
Nothing in her statements or their context indicates she didn't mean exactly what she said and not the other thing you wish she had said.
She says both and uses them interchangeably:
Yeah, that quote is BS.
I think we may still be here around 2023. Except the popular political narrative for the initial invasion of Iraq will be even more divorced from reality, the actual leadership involved will be largely exonerated by disinterest.
But I'm a pessimist, and I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
I now have an opportunity to discuss my uncle on topic!
My uncle used to be a moonbat. Between 'Nam and the Bush Era a few screws went loose, but he was a nice witchy man who thought that all folk were one folk 'cause Babel and shit. He didn't hate Muslims until Obama was elected, so, yeah.
Now he has demented race theories, but it's okay because he's totally Jewish. Not only is he saying he's Jewish-Neanderthal-Aryan, but he's also claiming to be descended of Israel's priestly caste. He and his peers are building their own reconstruction of Judaism that ignores actually existing Judaism for what Evangelical assholes think it is. They ran a real Rabbi back out to Colorado. But, the thing that surprises me is how quickly they went from "We're real Christians because we're going back to the source." to "Any religion based on human sacrifice is wrong and the BLOOD DRINKERS want to enslave you to their queerofascist agenda!". I mean, I knew when Christianity stopped being useful they'd dump it in a ditch and start a new religion just for them, but I didn't expect it to be so quick. They're talking about "the people of Shem" and saying "real Jews aren't Semites".
Anyway, there are folk in Israel validating this shit. He tells me he can go to Israel and get in as a citizen, and I don't doubt him. When Bibi blamed Palestinians for the Holocaust, he knew what he was doing.
Sure, he probably said that metaphorically... but why would you even say such a thing?
Jewish-Neanderthal-Aryan
Jewish because it's old school, Aryan because that's how crazy racial talk goes, but Neanderthal?
And I would be surprised, but not too surprised, if he would be able to get Israeli citizenship. Their demographic and birthrate situation means they're probably looking to bolster the non-Palestinian population numbers anyway they can.
This also ignores the long period of time in between during which European leaders never criticized Israel. If the world's new critcism of Israel seems sudden, maybe that's more because they chewed up everybody's goodwill/patience.
I don't even understand what I'm reading. The words are... recognizable as English, but I can't comprehend them in their given order. Am I having a stroke?
"Nothing is gonna save us forever but a lot of things can save us today." - Night in the Woods
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-netanyahu-politics-idUSKCN0YA1DA
He started out saying "My uncle used to be a moonbat." So, I don't even think all of the words are english.
Moonbat was a derogatory term for a Liberal back in the day.