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How do you tell an Amway person to fuck off?
Cantido
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I attend Toastmasters as a promise to former supervisors who damn near thought I had ADHD so that my non-attendance isn't used against me for getting fired. Thankfully it turned out to be hypothyroidism.
Anyhoo, a Toastmaster's veteran, highly charismatic and talented, invited me to a "business networking" seminar that he felt would be good for me. He went so far as to give me a ride to the event. I skipped grad school to go to this thing. I dressed up nice, with a suit and tie, and fit right in.
Then the presenter starts talking and I start sinking in my chair. All I had to do is type the word Amway on my phone and all the pure hatred on the intertubes was laid before me. I was so furious that I could not finish the sales pitch and left early. So he implores me to take his audiobook on the business and understand that Amway is not a scam.
The Internet is filled with Amway and its cultists on damage control. I am new to DC and am struggling to find friends because everyone I worked with is older than me and married. I have no friendships to ruin by selling them snake oil under the guise of hanging out. I don't know whether to seek facts through all the flamewars online or to just ask the Toastmasters club to intervene. What is the best approach here? Is this really a pyramid scam?
Anyhoo, a Toastmaster's veteran, highly charismatic and talented, invited me to a "business networking" seminar that he felt would be good for me. He went so far as to give me a ride to the event. I skipped grad school to go to this thing. I dressed up nice, with a suit and tie, and fit right in.
Then the presenter starts talking and I start sinking in my chair. All I had to do is type the word Amway on my phone and all the pure hatred on the intertubes was laid before me. I was so furious that I could not finish the sales pitch and left early. So he implores me to take his audiobook on the business and understand that Amway is not a scam.
The Internet is filled with Amway and its cultists on damage control. I am new to DC and am struggling to find friends because everyone I worked with is older than me and married. I have no friendships to ruin by selling them snake oil under the guise of hanging out. I don't know whether to seek facts through all the flamewars online or to just ask the Toastmasters club to intervene. What is the best approach here? Is this really a pyramid scam?
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I would just tell em that your too busy with grad school, and if they push more then ignore them, walk away and block calls.
2) just tell him you aren't interested and not to contact you about it again.
If this person is pushing this stuff extremely aggressively at meetings I would maybe bring it to the club's attention, but if he just gave you a business card and invited you to a thing it's not really worth making a fuss about.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I have a friend who does something similar with the IT WORKS! health crap and it's annoying as hell as I made a comment on one of Facebook Post and suddenly the woman who got her into the thing started messaging me about doing it, ect. ect. As already said, block them, ignore them, and don't do it. It's all scams and should be burned with hellfire.
Strangely enough, they stopped trying to get me to sign up when I started asking them to front me the cash.
No guarantee that it'll work for your Amway people though. If you want the guaranteed anti-Amway techniques, I'd be happy to sell you a highly informative pamphlet for only 3 small payments of $24.99, and one cripplingly larger payment to be disclosed at a later date.
But don't you want to make some easy money?
No thank you, I am not interested.
After the second or third time you say it they usually back-off.
Any sort of prodding questions they have can be answered this way.
I was nice and polite about it and didn't burn any bridges and was never asked about it again.
Bam, done.
While you're doing that, I might talking to someone at Toastmasters if there's someone who your feel comfortable with.
Don't mention the Amway guy's name, but just say you went to that meeting and would appreciate some advice on what to do. They've supposed to be good communicators, right?
I'd start with "I'm not interested in working sales. I'm much more interested in working in [field] because [cripplingly boring and detailed explanation of the research you do and its importance.]" If you've done a good job they should have found someone else to latch onto long before you're finished your explanation.
If it's the latter then you just politely decline, and if it's the former you go all shark tank on him. Ask him to give you honest answers to questions regarding financial questions a successful Amway distributor has to deal with. The whole point is to get rich right? And if it is an obvious play then the numbers should be easy, right?. I would love that opportunity cause I have so many questions about how they operate. What percentage of the Amway product they bought do they actually sell vs use themselves or gift away? Are they cash-flow positive net of their expenses of purchasing and vending product? What is their free cash flow to revenue ratio? Of money they net out, what proportion is their markup/bonus from selling product vs the vig/rake they get from their down leg vs the markup/bonus they get from selling training materials?
Amway has him. Don't tell him it's a scam, cause then you are accusing him of being a scam/con artist. Make him show you (with numbers) how it makes more sense to invest time and money into Amway than putting hours into a minimum wage job. If he sells you dreams of getting rich off passive income, then redirect him back to numbers. If he cannot stick to numbers (he won't want to) or make the numbers work (they won't) you have an easy way to decline.
That discussion is probably going to eat up a couple hours, so you could just tell him to F off. But I think it would be fun and potentially would give you some good info. I mean I'd have a gas doing that, but I'm a strange person. I had a friend of a friend push me hard on Primerica; I had a hoot and a half.
Just say "no thanks, I'm not interested" and if pressed, then say "it is a total scam, I've told you politely I am not interested, now kindly fuck off"
This went on for a few months. They'd pitch us their program with a few enthusiastic plants in the audience, we'd eat for free and politely decline.
Eventually they figured out we were just there to eat because we were poor college kids and they stopped inviting us.
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2) Don't invite that guy!
3) Hang out with grad school peeps too!
"Off" is regional, use your local dialect.
if that is the case, then skip the rudeness* and just stick to "I'm not interested". If pressed, "Really, I am not interested, thanks though". No reasons needed.