[Fire Emblem] Fates - The best FE character is now recruitable... for a price

Maddoc

Going by pair up stats, Leo would actually be the best one to pair my Corrin up with

But that would be needlessly condensing what should be two powerful units into one slightly better one

EDIT: Alternatively, Forrest would be an even better pair up

SilverWind

@Janson did you enjoy

Birthright full spoilers!!

Takumi being the "traitor"? It must have been dramatic if Azura was his wife.

Also, did you like Xander's death? >_>

Also, you might want to play Conquest! I just ran into Takumi and I suspect (Birthright full spoilers, Chapter 10 Conquest spoilers)

He's being mind controlled in this one too. Only there's nobody to stop him. Dramaaaaa

Yukira

I think I'll be missing out on three kids unless there's a few more ladies.

I finally reached chapter 20 in Conquest. Although I'll probably go grind out parent/child supports and pair up the kids.

I picked up Soleil last night and she is a very charming character.

Seeing her successfully flirt with and get a date with a cute village girl and rub it in Laslow's face was great.

Dragkonias

Just want to say that rods are super good in this game.

Enfeeble and Freeze are hilarious.

Mr Khan

Chapter 12 i just broke all of the pots, which put Ryoma into god-mode, but you can just walk right past him if you get the other samurai out of the way.

Kwoaru

For my first trip through conquest I'm trying to do things I probably won't do if I play it again (conq 15/16 ish)

so that means executing shuro and not having an a rank with kaze

It'll cost me two kids I guess but I got them in birthright alreadt and I'll get them if I ever go through conquest again

It was fun to finally make even just one almost morally grey choice though, and shuros look of shock was delightful

Moth 13

https://twitter.com/gigideegee/status/703951613807960064

https://twitter.com/gigideegee/status/704175929912795137

Dragkonias

Well...Siegfried does give him +4 defense and a 1-2 attack range.

Just saying.

Yukira

Hmmmm... I just realized something.

Conquest spoilers Chapter 15/16.

I paired up Xander and Azura. They're half siblings, aren't they? I kind of remember a line that implied it.

Well, at least it's "historically accurate."


Whoops.

Xander is at least a super supportive father to Shigure.

Maddoc

Think tomorrow I'll finally get my Conquest run going

Still not totally decided between Levin Sword Paladin, or actual tome using Mage

SilverWind

Siegfried and Siegbert do mean two separate things though! And are two separate actual names.

...

It is a bit weird yes.



@Yukira how far into Conquest is that spoiler?

Yukira

SilverWind wrote: »

Siegfried and Siegbert do mean two separate things though! And are two separate actual names.

...

It is a bit weird yes.



@Yukira how far into Conquest is that spoiler?

Uh... Hrm. When you get Xander. I don't remember what chapter. The numbers blur together with the side stuff.

SilverWind

Alright, I'll be patient and not click just yet...

Kwoaru

Yukira wrote: »

SilverWind wrote: »

Siegfried and Siegbert do mean two separate things though! And are two separate actual names.

...

It is a bit weird yes.



@Yukira how far into Conquest is that spoiler?

Uh... Hrm. When you get Xander. I don't remember what chapter. The numbers blur together with the side stuff.

that is 15 or 16, the conquest boat chapter

edit it is 16 apparently

Yukira

Thanks! Updated the spoiler.

Janson

SilverWind wrote: »

@Janson did you enjoy

Birthright full spoilers!!

Takumi being the "traitor"? It must have been dramatic if Azura was his wife.

Also, did you like Xander's death? >_>

Also, you might want to play Conquest! I just ran into Takumi and I suspect (Birthright full spoilers, Chapter 10 Conquest spoilers)

He's being mind controlled in this one too. Only there's nobody to stop him. Dramaaaaa

Honestly,

he was my main suspect all along! Mainly because the plot doesn't really implicate anyone else, though. There are just so few of the characters with any relevance to the plot.

And oh no, I'm not sure I could handle having no one to save him!

Janson

On a hypothetical next run of Bloodlines I'm not sure who Corrin would romance, maybe Kaden? There really aren't many choices that seem to feel right!

Zenyatoo

Yukira wrote: »

Hmmmm... I just realized something.

Conquest spoilers Chapter 15/16.

I paired up Xander and Azura. They're half siblings, aren't they? I kind of remember a line that implied it.

Well, at least it's "historically accurate."


Whoops.

Xander is at least a super supportive father to Shigure.

Revelation spoilers! No seriously dont look at these if you dont want major plot spoilers by god you have been warned.

Garon is Azura's stepfather. Not her actual father. Neither the Nohrian nor Hoshidian royals are related to her. Her mother was garons consort at some point, but not actually a mother to any of his children. More importantly, Azura's mother is Mikoto's sister. Mikoto, as in, your mother. Which is to say you and Azura are cousins. Everyone who paired up the MU with Azura was dating their cousin. You sick sick bastards.

Theodore Floosevelt

mozu just bit the dust and i honestly feel like the game was doing me a favor

working through the puzzle of giving her exp without killing her was the worst. this is war, not the babysitter's club, mozu!! you hear me, mozu???

Maddoc

Mozu's only real problem is that she requires too much babysitting to just be as good as other units that require no work whatsoever

ph blake

I'll put more time into Mozu in Birthright where resources aren't as scarce. She has decent supports from what I've seen, but in conquest it doesn't feel worth it to put the time in when I'll just pass down aptitude anyways.

And speaking of decent supports, I've really come around on Selena. She's up there with Effie, Arthur, and Benny in terms of great supports; her one and done'ing Leo in chess after losing something like 50 straight games was particularly great.

Yukira

I paired Mozu with Laslow and the whole thing was super cute, but she's going to be a level 4 villager forever.

Kwoaru

I'm pairing Mozu with Xander because I think the idea of a first born prince marrying a peasant from another country is hilarious

SilverWind

And, "Nohrian pig" eh

Chapter 10 Conquest

well EFF YOU TOO HINATA I see you resent my benching you for most of Birthright

Janson

Ok so Ryoma/Oboro is different from his other supports, and so far very sweet.

Wyborn

I think the most dangerous thing that Awakening did, gameplay-wise, was create this expectation in some newer people that Hard is where they should leap into these games. Awakening had all these systems that would let your characters be super powerful, and the enemy couldn't do it, and the balance was in many ways quite bad so if you had the wherewithal to utilize the systems then you had to bump it up to Hard to get some real resistance out of it (and later in the game even that didn't help)

Fates is not really like that. Conquest, in particular, is not like that.

Even in Birthright, enemies are smarter than in Awakening and (on Hard) equal to your troops in strength, so you have to use superior positioning and tactics to beat them. You instantly, instantly have to be able to know how Fire Emblem works better than Awakening ever demanded outside of Lunatic.

And Conquest does not fuck around about this stuff. Conquest on Normal is a good challenge, maybe a bit harder than Awakening on Hard (especially in their respective late game stages where the gap is very wide indeed). You gotta know the systems to engage and get past it! It is satisfying to beat Conquest on Normal.

Conquest on Hard will eat you alive. It is designed for series veterans on the level of our own Jars, people who play through Radiant Dawn on Hard and go "Yeah that was all right I guess, what next," and are not wholly satisfied. Enemies get new skill combinations and cool weapons you wish you had and are smart and tough and will focus very hard on ripping your team to shreds. Going from Awakening Hard to Conquest Hard is a pretty steep change, and I think it's hitting a lot of people in the face like a club

Radius

Janson wrote: »

Ok so Ryoma/Oboro is different from his other supports, and so far very sweet.

The secret here is that

Oboro is the best

ph blake

Wyborn wrote: »

I think the most dangerous thing that Awakening did, gameplay-wise, was create this expectation in some newer people that Hard is where they should leap into these games. Awakening had all these systems that would let your characters be super powerful, and the enemy couldn't do it, and the balance was in many ways quite bad so if you had the wherewithal to utilize the systems then you had to bump it up to Hard to get some real resistance out of it (and later in the game even that didn't help)

Fates is not really like that. Conquest, in particular, is not like that.

Even in Birthright, enemies are smarter than in Awakening and (on Hard) equal to your troops in strength, so you have to use superior positioning and tactics to beat them. You instantly, instantly have to be able to know how Fire Emblem works better than Awakening ever demanded outside of Lunatic.

And Conquest does not fuck around about this stuff. Conquest on Normal is a good challenge, maybe a bit harder than Awakening on Hard (especially in their respective late game stages where the gap is very wide indeed). You gotta know the systems to engage and get past it! It is satisfying to beat Conquest on Normal.

Conquest on Hard will eat you alive. It is designed for series veterans on the level of our own Jars, people who play through Radiant Dawn on Hard and go "Yeah that was all right I guess, what next," and are not wholly satisfied. Enemies get new skill combinations and cool weapons you wish you had and are smart and tough and will focus very hard on ripping your team to shreds. Going from Awakening Hard to Conquest Hard is a pretty steep change, and I think it's hitting a lot of people in the face like a club

Hmm, I wouldn't say it's that bad, honestly. I played Awakening (my first FE game) on normal, never messing around with higher difficulties, and hard mode on Conquest isn't prohibitively difficult. Really it just forces you to pay constant attention to everything, especially spacing and enemy skills, instead of just steam rolling like in awakening.

Jars

you people have weird strategies for conquest 12. I blew up all the pots and killed everyone.

Theodore Floosevelt

i'm in the middle of conquest 10 and am really struggling with weighing "i don't want my entire team to fuckin die" against "i want to charge takumi and punch him in the butt"

Maddoc

Oboro is such a baller tank that I really want to just pour a ton of XP into this random Spear Fighter dude you can capture on Conquest. Without a Guard Naginata it won't be nearly as great though.

ph blake

Theodore Floosevelt wrote: »

i'm in the middle of conquest 10 and am really struggling with weighing "i don't want my entire team to fuckin die" against "i want to charge takumi and punch him in the butt"

If it makes you feel better, you will get the chance to butt punch Takumi later.

SilverWind

Conquest 10

Is there any reward for punching Takumi? Other than the Elixir he seems to be holding

Wyborn

SilverWind wrote: »

Conquest 10

Is there any reward for punching Takumi? Other than the Elixir he seems to be holding

A feeling of smug satisfaction

Otherwise no

Orphane

it's not worth it to charge takumi unless you abused xp grinding or something to have one unit capable of it go down and do it

honestly if you aren't murdering waves as they come in i would suggest you gradually withdraw your entire group towards the area you need to defend so that enemy units can't slip through and invalidate 9-10 turns of hard work

Jars

I got after the enemy hard in chapter 10. by turn 5 I had both mini bosses down so they don't become a problem later on

BahamutZERO

Romanian My Escutcheon wrote: »

Conquest 12

If you can get Niles, Kaze or Felicia within range of the pots around Ryoma, you can just break the ones blocking one of the exit tiles and bolt.

Which is what I'd recommend, since Ryoma will just massacre people given the opportunity.

I took the kill-everyone route. Gotta get that sweet exp and chests. Took me a fair few tries though, I kept losing someone on the ninja group and then a few times on the push to clear the area before Ryoma. I used the break-all-the-pots dragon vein after I got my forces grouped up around it out of range of any poison pots, which I think I got lucky with and didn't end up buffing Ryoma in stats that mattered. I cleared my way forward until it was just the side room groups, Ryoma's last few guards and the archer reinforcements left, ignored the staff group in the left room and snuck the chest on that side without aggroing them with Niles, had the teleport staff group in the right room kidnap Camilla with a guard pair up to feed them to her dragon, and then moved Niles to take the other chest, then killed Ryoma's guards and Ryoma himself just before the archer reinforcements made it in range of my forces. I think I had only one or two turns left or I would have killed the archers first.

Theodore Floosevelt

Orphane wrote: »

it's not worth it to charge takumi unless you abused xp grinding or something to have one unit capable of it go down and do it

honestly if you aren't murdering waves as they come in i would suggest you gradually withdraw your entire group towards the area you need to defend so that enemy units can't slip through and invalidate 9-10 turns of hard work

yeah I should def pull back a more. i spread out way too much at first, not realizing how many points of entry the enemy had to the map

i started feelin myself a lil too much and almost lost elise. elise! it woulda been seppuku o'clock at that point

BahamutZERO

Theodore Floosevelt wrote: »

Orphane wrote: »

it's not worth it to charge takumi unless you abused xp grinding or something to have one unit capable of it go down and do it

honestly if you aren't murdering waves as they come in i would suggest you gradually withdraw your entire group towards the area you need to defend so that enemy units can't slip through and invalidate 9-10 turns of hard work

yeah I should def pull back a more. i spread out way too much at first, not realizing how many points of entry the enemy had to the map

i started feelin myself a lil too much and almost lost elise. elise! it woulda been seppuku o'clock at that point

I only start to pull back for the final charge after the water recedes, before that I can hold the 4 chokepoints and pick off the pegasus knights with the ballista and wyverns. I had to burn my rescue staff charges at the very end to make sure I didn't lose anyone in the last few turns though.

Dragkonias

On the pot stage boss. I just used a freeze rod on him and has my tankier units take him out.