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Help me become a purely social drinker

KneelKneel Ten thick coatsRegistered User regular
edited March 2016 in Help / Advice Forum
Morning folks.

As some of you may have gathered from my other posts, my life can be somewhat busy at the best of times, a nervous roller coaster at worst. In a nutshell:

Ill wife for whom I am carer;
15 y/o daughter with learning difficulties, likely autistic, support workers and attends a special needs school;
3 other children aged 4-7 who attend regular primary school and, one mild case of autism aside, are pretty regular (if a bit kooky).
Several cats and dogs, the former require cleaning up after (housecats) and the latter need up to an hour of walking daily.

My go-to relaxation option has always been several beers in the evening, 1-3 nights a week. Sometimes I manage to hammer that down to once a week only, other times I've gone months without a drink at all, but I always come back to that evening habit. Whenever I get it under control, the school holidays come along and disrupt my day-to-day routine, leaving me feeling anxious, depressed, sometimes angry ( I realise that raises it's own red flags and is a discussion for a different thread) and usually results in me drinking more evenings per week.

Now, I don't want to give up my beer entirely and be the gentleman nursing the water on a night out. I drink outside of the house every few weeks, often few months, and I really enjoy meeting up with my friends when it happens. Nor do I want to continue my trend of getting rat-arsed in front of the PC several nights a week after my wife and kids have gone to bed.

So: have any of you made the transition from habitual to purely social drinker? If so, any advice on how to subtly alter my mentality towards it?

Cheers in advance.

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  • BillyIdleBillyIdle What does "katana" mean? It means "Japanese sword."Registered User regular
    As someone that only drinks with friends, my best piece of advice, as hard as it might be, is to simply stop stocking your house with alcohol you enjoy to drink.
    Or simply just making the change to buy one six-pack a week and let that be your only alcohol for the house.
    I totally get if that's a tough rule to abide by, but it would cut down the amount you drink if you hammer several in one night.
    Best of luck!

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  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited March 2016
    I mean... You're using a substance to help you relax. Not doing that may be as simple as not keeping it in the house. If you find yourself going to the store because damnit you deserve a beer! It might be best to not drink socially either until you've got a healthy outlet for stress.

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  • KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    When I can focus, I paint miniatures in the evenings. It's something I picked up two years ago to occupy myself during a 3-month dry spell during which I also lost a bunch of weight. I still paint today but I sometimes find that the craving for beer trumps the desire to paint (which sometimes turns to apathy if I'm not happy with my work) and I go to the shop instead.

    I guess I have all the tools to hand, and I don't usuallly buy the beer in advance (ie during the weekly shop), it's my own mentality that I've got to push past.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    How many beers are we talking about? A couple of beers over the course of an hour or two, 1-3 nights a week, does not sound like a big deal to me. I know people who drink ~3 beers at the end of every night like clockwork, and it's not really a problem because they're just sitting around watching TV or hanging out with friends and the like.

    I guess the question I'd ask is, why do you feel the need to curtail your drinking in the first place? If it's as occasional as you're describing and all you are doing is sitting on your sofa watching TV at the end of a long day, there's really nothing wrong with that on its face.

  • KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    How many beers are we talking about? A couple of beers over the course of an hour or two, 1-3 nights a week, does not sound like a big deal to me. I know people who drink ~3 beers at the end of every night like clockwork, and it's not really a problem because they're just sitting around watching TV or hanging out with friends and the like.

    I guess the question I'd ask is, why do you feel the need to curtail your drinking in the first place? If it's as occasional as you're describing and all you are doing is sitting on your sofa watching TV at the end of a long day, there's really nothing wrong with that on its face.

    It usuallly amounts to four large (750ml), strongish (6.6%) beers in a 3-4 hour sitting, meaning that in a week in consuming triple the recommended unit intake. I don't get blackout drunk, and i know my limit well enough to pour away any beer left in the bottle when I got that point, but there's still the monetary cost, guilt and potential health problems down the line (not to mention hangovers at 6am).

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    that's three liters of beer. Not three/four beers.

    so in regular glasses (0.3 ltr) that would be almost ten units.


  • KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    To be fair I said several in the OP, not 1-3.

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    oh i know and i get flak from the wife for counting half liters as beers so i feel you.

    but what i'm trying to say is that at 10 standard units we are looking at a pretty large ammount of alcohol.

  • KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    Hence why I'm here ;)

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    There's an adage in dieting: "Never shop when hungry." I think when it comes to alcohol, a similar adage of "Never buy beer when stressed" can be applied. I think reducing your immediate access to beer is the simplest solution. Buy smaller cans instead of larger bottles, buy weaker beer, and buy less of them. That way when the impulse strikes you, your ability to act on it is physically limited.

    That said, having read about your chaotic life, so in the longer term I agree with those who say you may want to consider alternate methods for dealing with stress.

  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    I'm also with you, dropping beer in the evenings when not out socially. I just stopped buying beer. I'm mostly doing it for the caloric reduction, though. You'll lose several pounds from just this!

    What is this I don't even.
  • KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    "Never buy beer when stressed"

    I think that covers what I need to do, in a nutshell. No buying beer when drinking alone, avoid alcohol if I'm stressed, double down on hobbies. Plan a day out with friends every once in a while, but otherwise avoid the stuff.

    Thanks for your input, guys!

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  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    Darkewolfe wrote: »
    I'm also with you, dropping beer in the evenings when not out socially. I just stopped buying beer. I'm mostly doing it for the caloric reduction, though. You'll lose several pounds from just this!

    That's another adage, "Never drink your calories". :)

  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Your life sounds as stressful as fuck. Can I suggest reducing the pet count? You don't have to take them to a shelter, but keep your ears open for friends saying things like "I just bought a new house, thinking of going down the Cat's Protection league." Keep 1 dog and 1 cat. The evening walk is probably really good for you, and a cat can help you relax.

    As for the drink, I suggest never buying booze for the home. Drink when out, drink gifted booze, but never go yourself to the off-license to buy booze. A simple rule, easy to follow. Usually the first drink begets the second, so if you never take the first drink, you won't drink the second. Try making a ritual of unwinding with a special drink - tea or diet coke or something.

  • KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    Your life sounds as stressful as fuck. Can I suggest reducing the pet count? You don't have to take them to a shelter, but keep your ears open for friends saying things like "I just bought a new house, thinking of going down the Cat's Protection league." Keep 1 dog and 1 cat. The evening walk is probably really good for you, and a cat can help you relax.

    TBH the dogs are lovable enough, just a bit noisy when someone knocks on the door, and they encourage me to get a good brisk walk (3 miles in roughly 35-40 minutes) done with them daily. The cats drive me up the wall though, and they're so old now they're pretty much set in their ways (one in particular has, I suspect, long-standing mental problems of her own that we never got addressed due to everything else going on).

    Meanwhile I've not had a drink in four days which is... well, it's a start. I've focused on my painting once the kids have gone to bed and settled on a hot chocolate to look forward to in peace and quiet before I do so. No alcohol in the house, and whatever I don't spend on beer will be getting put on one side to save for a particularly large Warhammer model I've had my eye on for a few weeks now.

    So far, so good.

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    I find that whenever I think about putting beer or wine in my cart at the grocery store, it helps to just check weekly sales on books/movies/humble bundles that are on sale that week and pick one of those instead. Doesn't save you money, but it saves calories and gives you something that lasts longer.

  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    aim for three weeks without drinking, including social situations. that's long enough for me to break my bad drinking habits (until they're reinstated anyway, usually over christmas)

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  • KneelKneel Ten thick coats Registered User regular
    bsjezz wrote: »
    aim for three weeks without drinking, including social situations. that's long enough for me to break my bad drinking habits (until they're reinstated anyway, usually over christmas)

    My good wife had already suggested that I stay dry 'til April at least, and see how I feel then, so that lines up nicely.

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  • JuliusJulius Captain of Serenity on my shipRegistered User regular
    Kneel wrote: »
    bsjezz wrote: »
    aim for three weeks without drinking, including social situations. that's long enough for me to break my bad drinking habits (until they're reinstated anyway, usually over christmas)

    My good wife had already suggested that I stay dry 'til April at least, and see how I feel then, so that lines up nicely.

    Yeah I recommend at least a month of being dry before going to drinking only in social situations. Making it non-negotiable for yourself is the easiest way to do it, and you need to take some time to get used to it and establish not drinking as normal.


    For me the biggest thing was realizing how much the alcohol was actually worsening my depression and anxiety. You kinda need 2-4 weeks before you actually feel that, so I never really noticed the difference when I tried to cut down or not drink for a few days.

  • FiendishrabbitFiendishrabbit Registered User regular
    IMHO you really need to find alternative ways to stress down.

    Usually that's either through social contact in ways that's de-stressing (and not the opposite), meditation (of some kind) or physical exercise.
    It can be as simple as making your evening dogwalk a moment for exercise instead of something "you have to do". Take extra time so that you're not stressed if the dog "doesn't want to poop right now". Take time to do exercises with the dog to bond and get your own pulse up.

    This isn't necessarily THE option, just one of many possibilites.

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