In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Hillary Clinton’s email problems began in her first days as secretary of state. She insisted on using her personal BlackBerry for all her email communications, but she wasn’t allowed to take the device into her seventh-floor suite of offices, a secure space known as Mahogany Row.
For Clinton, this was frustrating. As a political heavyweight and chief of the nation’s diplomatic corps, she needed to manage a torrent of email to stay connected to colleagues, friends and supporters. She hated having to put her BlackBerry into a lockbox before going into her own office.
Her aides and senior officials pushed to find a way to enable her to use the device in the secure area. But their efforts unsettled the diplomatic security bureau, which was worried that foreign intelligence services could hack her BlackBerry and transform it into a listening device.
On Feb. 17, 2009, less than a month into Clinton’s tenure, the issue came to a head. Department security, intelligence and technology specialists, along with five officials from the National Security Agency, gathered in a Mahogany Row conference room. They explained the risks to Cheryl Mills, Clinton’s chief of staff, while also seeking “mitigation options” that would accommodate Clinton’s wishes.
“The issue here is one of personal comfort,” one of the participants in that meeting, Donald Reid, the department’s senior coordinator for security infrastructure, wrote afterward in an email that described Clinton’s inner circle of advisers as “dedicated [BlackBerry] addicts.”
First, the idea that a BlackBerry can be remotely 'hacked' without an intruder gaining access to the device and/or tricking Clinton into giving them her passwords (or having some access to a backdoor; I.E. a contact that works at a call center with Clinton's account information on file) is born out of ignorance, presumably springing from the myths about BlackBerry devices being especially simple to invade (they aren't). Any similar attack could've happened with any device.
It's also irrelevant what server the device is tethered to; it's receiving data from the email server, not sending it.
It's the bolded thing that has me grinding my teeth in frustration, though. No, it's not just a matter of personal comfort, most of the time; having to learn an entirely new OS & interface for some people is nearly as challenging as learning a new language. I'm honestly tired of this kind of thing being shrugged-off in a world that is becoming more and more dependent on mobile devices & computing. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has literally watched someone moved to tears because they are just unable to figure out how to use their new phone?
The state has the resources to accommodate a servant in Mrs. Clinton's position using the device she is most familiar with, and should have made those accommodations, full stop (IMHO). It's a far greater security risk to have someone who doesn't know how their tech works than whatever worries are present about fucking BlackBerry, because someone who doesn't know how their shit works is going to be constantly having to ask for help, and that's where breaches most often happen.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Hillary Clinton’s email problems began in her first days as secretary of state. She insisted on using her personal BlackBerry for all her email communications, but she wasn’t allowed to take the device into her seventh-floor suite of offices, a secure space known as Mahogany Row.
For Clinton, this was frustrating. As a political heavyweight and chief of the nation’s diplomatic corps, she needed to manage a torrent of email to stay connected to colleagues, friends and supporters. She hated having to put her BlackBerry into a lockbox before going into her own office.
Her aides and senior officials pushed to find a way to enable her to use the device in the secure area. But their efforts unsettled the diplomatic security bureau, which was worried that foreign intelligence services could hack her BlackBerry and transform it into a listening device.
On Feb. 17, 2009, less than a month into Clinton’s tenure, the issue came to a head. Department security, intelligence and technology specialists, along with five officials from the National Security Agency, gathered in a Mahogany Row conference room. They explained the risks to Cheryl Mills, Clinton’s chief of staff, while also seeking “mitigation options” that would accommodate Clinton’s wishes.
“The issue here is one of personal comfort,” one of the participants in that meeting, Donald Reid, the department’s senior coordinator for security infrastructure, wrote afterward in an email that described Clinton’s inner circle of advisers as “dedicated [BlackBerry] addicts.”
First, the idea that a BlackBerry can be remotely 'hacked' without an intruder gaining access to the device and/or tricking Clinton into giving them her passwords (or having some access to a backdoor; I.E. a contact that works at a call center with Clinton's account information on file) is born out of ignorance, presumably springing from the myths about BlackBerry devices being especially simple to invade (they aren't). Any similar attack could've happened with any device.
It's also irrelevant what server the device is tethered to; it's receiving data from the email server, not sending it.
It's the bolded thing that has me grinding my teeth in frustration, though. No, it's not just a matter of personal comfort, most of the time; having to learn an entirely new OS & interface for some people is nearly as challenging as learning a new language. I'm honestly tired of this kind of thing being shrugged-off in a world that is becoming more and more dependent on mobile devices & computing. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has literally watched someone moved to tears because they are just unable to figure out how to use their new phone?
The state has the resources to accommodate a servant in Mrs. Clinton's position using the device she is most familiar with, and should have made those accommodations, full stop (IMHO). It's a far greater security risk to have someone who doesn't know how their tech works than whatever worries are present about fucking BlackBerry, because someone who doesn't know how their shit works is going to be constantly having to ask for help, and that's where breaches most often happen.
And again, it's worth pointing out that they tried to do the same thing to the President as well. The difference is that he has enough authority to say "Ha ha, funny joke. Now, get me a BlackBerry, and that's an order."
Any scandal here, if any, is that Hillary was not handed a secure blackberry the second she was sworn in.
I would add the press being fucking horrible about reporting on it, but that's pretty much given at this point.
Hillary Clinton’s email problems began in her first days as secretary of state. She insisted on using her personal BlackBerry for all her email communications, but she wasn’t allowed to take the device into her seventh-floor suite of offices, a secure space known as Mahogany Row.
For Clinton, this was frustrating. As a political heavyweight and chief of the nation’s diplomatic corps, she needed to manage a torrent of email to stay connected to colleagues, friends and supporters. She hated having to put her BlackBerry into a lockbox before going into her own office.
Her aides and senior officials pushed to find a way to enable her to use the device in the secure area. But their efforts unsettled the diplomatic security bureau, which was worried that foreign intelligence services could hack her BlackBerry and transform it into a listening device.
On Feb. 17, 2009, less than a month into Clinton’s tenure, the issue came to a head. Department security, intelligence and technology specialists, along with five officials from the National Security Agency, gathered in a Mahogany Row conference room. They explained the risks to Cheryl Mills, Clinton’s chief of staff, while also seeking “mitigation options” that would accommodate Clinton’s wishes.
“The issue here is one of personal comfort,” one of the participants in that meeting, Donald Reid, the department’s senior coordinator for security infrastructure, wrote afterward in an email that described Clinton’s inner circle of advisers as “dedicated [BlackBerry] addicts.”
First, the idea that a BlackBerry can be remotely 'hacked' without an intruder gaining access to the device and/or tricking Clinton into giving them her passwords (or having some access to a backdoor; I.E. a contact that works at a call center with Clinton's account information on file) is born out of ignorance, presumably springing from the myths about BlackBerry devices being especially simple to invade (they aren't). Any similar attack could've happened with any device.
It's also irrelevant what server the device is tethered to; it's receiving data from the email server, not sending it.
It's the bolded thing that has me grinding my teeth in frustration, though. No, it's not just a matter of personal comfort, most of the time; having to learn an entirely new OS & interface for some people is nearly as challenging as learning a new language. I'm honestly tired of this kind of thing being shrugged-off in a world that is becoming more and more dependent on mobile devices & computing. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has literally watched someone moved to tears because they are just unable to figure out how to use their new phone?
The state has the resources to accommodate a servant in Mrs. Clinton's position using the device she is most familiar with, and should have made those accommodations, full stop (IMHO). It's a far greater security risk to have someone who doesn't know how their tech works than whatever worries are present about fucking BlackBerry, because someone who doesn't know how their shit works is going to be constantly having to ask for help, and that's where breaches most often happen.
Think of the timeline, though. The reason they only talk about BlackBerries is that for government officials in 2008-9, it's the only device that existed. It would be some years yet before iPhones and androids start invading that space. It's unlikely that they're speaking of the BlackBerry's unique vulnerability.
Any scandal here, if any, is that Hillary was not handed a secure blackberry the second she was sworn in.
I would add the press being fucking horrible about reporting on it, but that's pretty much given at this point.
Heh, I just linked to two well researched and reported pieces.
Any scandal here, if any, is that Hillary was not handed a secure blackberry the second she was sworn in. I would add the press being fucking horrible about reporting on it, but that's pretty much given at this point.
That part I don't really agree with. The press is doing their job, for better or worse; it's up to the reader, at least to some extent, to flex those faculties they were graced with (like I just did) and draw a conclusion from the news that is reported to them.
Some news networks are better than others for controlling bias, some 'news' nothing other than a partisan hack feeding people their political opinion, etc, but there has been pretty neutral reporting overall on the BlackBerry issue. The people getting most defensive about it & insisting that Clinton was in the wrong (aside from the usual suspects on the other side of the political fence) are those at the WH who backed her into a corner over the issue, so I'd say that's where your scorn should mostly be aimed.
Her behavior was still unacceptable in my eyes. Using a personal email server with some pretty glaring vulnerabilities to conduct sensitive business was a poor decision. Not forking over the emails at the end of her tenure is clearly running counter to federal rules for information retention, which makes the problem worse.
However, I don't think she's facing any serious chances of a trial or conviction (especially given the history of other secretaries receiving one or more sensitive emails to their private accounts without issue). I also have to weigh this information against Sander's increasingly unlikely shot at the nomination on one hand and a non-zero probability of armageddon under Trump/Cruz on the other.
All top government officials should have a dedicated IT person
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All top government officials should have a dedicated IT person
I literally can't agree with this hard enough. Sometimes it is awesome being able to call my self a wizard (because no one the fuck understands the way programming works and thinks it is all just magically there in the magic box in their hands), but sometimes I'd really like for people to not request magic and get pissed when it isn't there in a week.
Not forking over the emails at the end of her tenure is clearly running counter to federal rules for information retention, which makes the problem worse.
There is of course an issue of security, but whether any security was ever compromised or not, the issue of accountability and record is huge, and (arguably) far more important.
I like the idea of a big tent because you need lots of the country behind you to make policy. But I also think it's a good idea to accept the new base of the party as the base and not compromise on core principles trying to build broader support. I don't see enough daylight between Clinton and Sanders that I really worry whether the 2024 nominee is going to be more like one or the other, but if there's any kind of close primary I think both pushing for socialist stuff and pushing for minority concerns will be mandatory for candidates.
I may be reading this wrong (and if so, my apologies), but there's no innate contradiction between socialism and advancing minority interests. The two are in fact one and the same; racial equality has been a cornerstone of just about all left-wing/Marxist thought for over a century.
While racial equality has always been a part of Marxist thought, it has also had problems with it on a fundamental level that are nicely illustrated by the issues around Sanders.
That is, classic class-based analysis is unable to account for racism as a factor or cause on it's own. Racism, sexism, religion and all that junk are a result of class oppression and misdirection. In a communist society these problems would seize to exist, meaning that racism can be fought by seizing the means of production and ending the class war.
This may even be true, but in practice it means that the focus lies on class to the exclusion of all else insofar it does not serve the greater purpose. This is of course a problem to anyone who might care more about having their kids not shot down in the street over attaining the utopic communist society. More importantly, we do not currently have a communist society, and there is no reason to assume the process of moving towards it would immediately start effecting racism in a positive way. We may end up having no more racism, but neglecting it can make it worse for everyone in the meantime. Hence the switch towards specifically addressing minority concerns in most socialist movements over the years.
This narrative about socialism has been going around a lot—certainly making its way through the greater internet think machine—but, as I've been trying to indicate, although it sounds nice I don't think there's actually much behind it. The problem is that there's little evidence that "the classic class-based analysis" is anything but a strawman.
Where is the evidence of socialism's inability to cope with differences aside from class? I already posted an analysis of American labor history, the upshot of which was that the left-socialist wing of American labor was in fact by far friendlier to Black workers than the right wing. I also wrote up a post in chat in honor of International Women's Day discussing women's issues and milestones in the Soviet Union. And the upshot there is that the Soviets were reliably ahead of America in 'first woman ___' and so on by decades or even generations. While the American press was asking Sally Ride whether she cried when the equipment malfunctioned, and whether she would be taking make-up with her to into space, Valentina Tereshkova had already been up and back and hailed as a hero twenty years earlier. The sixth person the Soviets sent to space was a woman; I lost count on the American list before I ever got to Ride. Abortion was treated as a women's health issue and was unconditionally legal and often provided without charge in 1920 in the USSR (the first country in the world to legalize it in all circumstances); that isn't true even today in America. Etc.
Or we could consider the fact that racial liberation movements turned to socialism during the cold war. Nelson Mandela forged a lifelong alliance with Joe Slovo, head of the South African Communist Party, a group that was pivotal within the ANC and to Mandela he was 'comrade.' A moving quote from Slovo's funeral, related by a member of the Pan-African congress, describing a child's befuddlement at seeing Slovo in a picture: "Why is your father shaking hands with a white man?" The response: "that's no white man. That's Joe Slovo." In the Americas, socialist ideology was very popular with the racially abused indigenous peoples. The Zapatistas are socialists. In the United States, the black panthers advocated socialism. Angela Davis was a socialist. I'm pretty sure that the indigenous peoples of Mexico and Angela Davis are both capable of seeing race. Which then leaves it mysterious who these socialists are that can't.
They had this very debate when they were writing the constitution of the USSR. One faction within the victorious reds wanted a single republic, because all were simply workers and that was their new identity. Another faction, though, wanted a federated structure in which the national minorities had their own republics, because that would secure them the rights of self-determination. Lenin sided with the latter faction, and the result was that the Soviet Union was drawn up to give the national minorities their own SSRs and, quite radically, gave each the unconditional right of exit (this is, coincidentally, the reason why the Soviet Union was able to dissolve so abruptly: the rights of exit had been there in the constitution all along, and so once it was realized that they were going to be allowed to be exercised the legal mechanism for doing so was very straightforward). Now, of course, we can talk about the later fate of those national minorities in the Soviet Union, sure: that the constitution was rather generous did not in the end guarantee things turned out well. But regardless of that, just the existence of the debate and its outcome demonstrates the emptiness of the 'socialists can't see race' line. In the founding of the USSR of all places, they had a debate over their federal structure where Lenin explicitly repudiated the view that we're all just workers now and racial identities can be safely forgotten. If Lenin explicitly rejected the "classic" class-based analysis, then really, who held it, and how classic is it?
So, I know I'm quite late to the show, but I just wanted to say....with what you've said about national delimitation in Eurasia and the constitutional basis for korenizatsiya...it's just...
Okay, I'm not that egocentric. It's just that 90% of the time, I'm the one ranting about national delimitation and the push-and-pull of national power between the autonomous republics and national republics. So every time someone else does it, even on the off chance that I might be related to it, I have to suppress the urge to do a dance at my desk.
EDIT: Also, ten points to Gryffindor for the Joe Slovo example.
uh, well now. That article doesn't make it seem like nothing.
I thought it was nothing.
That remains a lot of bad faith assumptions and innuendo. And yes, I read it.
Its also presenting information that is potentially damaging that has been leaked as fact, but things that are not - such as that they've determined that the server wasn't compromised - as up in the air
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
That's weird to think about. W with the wars and recession, Clinton with the shadow of Lewinsky, HW getting chucked, Reagan sliding into dementia, Carter chucked, Ford chucked, Nixon disgraced, LBJ disgraced by war, Kennedy dead, we haven't had a president leave office on really amicable terms since Eisenhower. Clinton, Carter, and HW managed to rehab their image though. Pretty quickly in Clinton's case.
Eisenhower was, ironically, the first president blocked from a third term by the Republican-passed 22nd Amendment.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
That's weird to think about. W with the wars and recession, Clinton with the shadow of Lewinsky, HW getting chucked, Reagan sliding into dementia, Carter chucked, Ford chucked, Nixon disgraced, LBJ disgraced by war, Kennedy dead, we haven't had a president leave office on really amicable terms since Eisenhower. Clinton, Carter, and HW managed to rehab their image though. Pretty quickly in Clinton's case.
Eisenhower was, ironically, the first president blocked from a third term by the Republican-passed 22nd Amendment.
It wasn't hard for Bill Clinton considering that the American people cared alot less about the issue then the media and the DC insiders club. And that he oversaw a pretty good economy.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
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There were no rules against a private server. The DoJ has already determined Clinton acted within the laws about archiving emails. The only question is whether she acted with gross negligence in transmitting classified information over the server. Intelligence Agencies and State have different metrics for classification and the whole thing hinges on the IG of the former declaring (sometimes ludicrously by all accounts) emails as classified retroactively. For instance, the Intelligence community thinks if one forwards a NYT article that mentions drone attacks, that is a classified email now.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
The lack of verifiable information and the fact that it's taking so long leads me to believe that this is still a security review.
I just don't see it being so hush hush for so long if there was anything actually there. Especially with 149 or whatever agents with hands on, plus X number of other people associated. If there was something there it would have been linked in a more believable way.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
Sorry, added clarification above in an edit
The DoJ and all relevant agencies have already determined Clinton worked within the law and regulations. They largely said that in their opinion she should have used a .gov email address, but that nothing required it. And that the emails she provided before the server was wiped met her legal obligations.
Hillary Clinton’s email problems began in her first days as secretary of state. She insisted on using her personal BlackBerry for all her email communications, but she wasn’t allowed to take the device into her seventh-floor suite of offices, a secure space known as Mahogany Row.
For Clinton, this was frustrating. As a political heavyweight and chief of the nation’s diplomatic corps, she needed to manage a torrent of email to stay connected to colleagues, friends and supporters. She hated having to put her BlackBerry into a lockbox before going into her own office.
Her aides and senior officials pushed to find a way to enable her to use the device in the secure area. But their efforts unsettled the diplomatic security bureau, which was worried that foreign intelligence services could hack her BlackBerry and transform it into a listening device.
On Feb. 17, 2009, less than a month into Clinton’s tenure, the issue came to a head. Department security, intelligence and technology specialists, along with five officials from the National Security Agency, gathered in a Mahogany Row conference room. They explained the risks to Cheryl Mills, Clinton’s chief of staff, while also seeking “mitigation options” that would accommodate Clinton’s wishes.
“The issue here is one of personal comfort,” one of the participants in that meeting, Donald Reid, the department’s senior coordinator for security infrastructure, wrote afterward in an email that described Clinton’s inner circle of advisers as “dedicated [BlackBerry] addicts.”
First, the idea that a BlackBerry can be remotely 'hacked' without an intruder gaining access to the device and/or tricking Clinton into giving them her passwords (or having some access to a backdoor; I.E. a contact that works at a call center with Clinton's account information on file) is born out of ignorance, presumably springing from the myths about BlackBerry devices being especially simple to invade (they aren't). Any similar attack could've happened with any device.
It's also irrelevant what server the device is tethered to; it's receiving data from the email server, not sending it.
It's the bolded thing that has me grinding my teeth in frustration, though. No, it's not just a matter of personal comfort, most of the time; having to learn an entirely new OS & interface for some people is nearly as challenging as learning a new language. I'm honestly tired of this kind of thing being shrugged-off in a world that is becoming more and more dependent on mobile devices & computing. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has literally watched someone moved to tears because they are just unable to figure out how to use their new phone?
The state has the resources to accommodate a servant in Mrs. Clinton's position using the device she is most familiar with, and should have made those accommodations, full stop (IMHO). It's a far greater security risk to have someone who doesn't know how their tech works than whatever worries are present about fucking BlackBerry, because someone who doesn't know how their shit works is going to be constantly having to ask for help, and that's where breaches most often happen.
Think of the timeline, though. The reason they only talk about BlackBerries is that for government officials in 2008-9, it's the only device that existed. It would be some years yet before iPhones and androids start invading that space. It's unlikely that they're speaking of the BlackBerry's unique vulnerability.
Yeah, that tidbit was the first time I've heard of actual wrongdoing with respect to this scandal. She frequently used a SCIF that she wanted to be able to enter with her Blackberry. For those who haven't done government work or watched enough spy TV shows, a SCIF is a special area where you're allowed to deal with classified information. There are all kinds of special rules that need to be followed for before an area can be considered a SCIF, and once inside a SCIF there are rules an individual needs to follow (like: don't leave the damn room unlocked!). There are different standards for bringing in different electronic devices in different SCIFs, but it had been forbidden for her to bring in her Blackberry--not because it was a Blackberry in particular, but because it was an electronic device capable of transmitting and receiving data, and that makes the intelligence community a little paranoid. She asked for a custom Blackberry that could be used in the SCIF, like Obama has, but was denied. So she just brought her normal one in anyway.
Protocol for bringing cell phones in SCIF range anywhere from "leave it outside" to "shut it off" to "keep it on, feel free to use it, but try not to point the camera at classified documents too much". I'm not sure how much of a legal distinction that makes, though, it could just be an administrative thing.
Interestingly enough: there was precedent for allowing Blackberries in the same SCIF. Condi Rice and her team were big into Blackberries. They got special waivers, the people who worked in that suite asked the IC if they could use their blackberries and were told "sure, sounds good." Over time, as more and more waivers were requested, they were told to cut it out.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
Sorry, added clarification above in an edit
The DoJ and all relevant agencies have already determined Clinton worked within the law and regulations. They largely said that in their opinion she should have used a .gov email address, but that nothing required it. And that the emails she provided before the server was wiped met her legal obligations.
It doesn't matter though. The people who have latched on will never be convinced otherwise. Co-worker's new favorite talking point about it is "Well, how can we trust Hilary to decide what she should have turned over or not?"
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
Sorry, added clarification above in an edit
The DoJ and all relevant agencies have already determined Clinton worked within the law and regulations. They largely said that in their opinion she should have used a .gov email address, but that nothing required it. And that the emails she provided before the server was wiped met her legal obligations.
Sure, but again, I'm not saying she did anything wrong with the server. The DoJ says she archived everything, okay cool. I'm saying that if use of a private server ENABLED her to strategically fail to archive emails, and that would be largely undetectable, that's very, very wrong. And I'm not sure how the DoJ would possibly know if she'd done that.
Again, not saying she has anything to hide here, but having a hiding spot is the unacceptable part.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
Sorry, added clarification above in an edit
The DoJ and all relevant agencies have already determined Clinton worked within the law and regulations. They largely said that in their opinion she should have used a .gov email address, but that nothing required it. And that the emails she provided before the server was wiped met her legal obligations.
Sure, but again, I'm not saying she did anything wrong with the server. The DoJ says she archived everything, okay cool. I'm saying that if use of a private server ENABLED her to strategically fail to archive emails, and that would be largely undetectable, that's very, very wrong. And I'm not sure how the DoJ would possibly know if she'd done that.
Again, not saying she has anything to hide here, but having a hiding spot is the unacceptable part.
And she could just as easily chosen to, strategically, not use fucking emails for sensitive shit.
This rabit hole goes straight down to other side of the damn planet, no point digging into it.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
Sorry, added clarification above in an edit
The DoJ and all relevant agencies have already determined Clinton worked within the law and regulations. They largely said that in their opinion she should have used a .gov email address, but that nothing required it. And that the emails she provided before the server was wiped met her legal obligations.
Sure, but again, I'm not saying she did anything wrong with the server. The DoJ says she archived everything, okay cool. I'm saying that if use of a private server ENABLED her to strategically fail to archive emails, and that would be largely undetectable, that's very, very wrong. And I'm not sure how the DoJ would possibly know if she'd done that.
Again, not saying she has anything to hide here, but having a hiding spot is the unacceptable part.
And she could just as easily chosen to, strategically, not use fucking emails for sensitive shit.
This rabit hole goes straight down to other side of the damn planet, no point digging into it.
I'm not really digging into anything, I'm mostly pointing out that allowing electronic communication to be potentially unaccounted for is no bueno and worthy of significant disciplinary action.
Has it ever really been established how often Hillary even used her email? I mean sure thousands of emails blah, but that could just be "remember staff meeting" and the like. People of her age aren't exactly fond of technology communications.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Has it ever really been established how often Hillary even used her email? I mean sure thousands of emails blah, but that could just be "remember staff meeting" and the like. People of her age aren't exactly fond of technology communications.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
Sorry, added clarification above in an edit
The DoJ and all relevant agencies have already determined Clinton worked within the law and regulations. They largely said that in their opinion she should have used a .gov email address, but that nothing required it. And that the emails she provided before the server was wiped met her legal obligations.
Sure, but again, I'm not saying she did anything wrong with the server. The DoJ says she archived everything, okay cool. I'm saying that if use of a private server ENABLED her to strategically fail to archive emails, and that would be largely undetectable, that's very, very wrong. And I'm not sure how the DoJ would possibly know if she'd done that.
Again, not saying she has anything to hide here, but having a hiding spot is the unacceptable part.
And she could just as easily chosen to, strategically, not use fucking emails for sensitive shit.
This rabit hole goes straight down to other side of the damn planet, no point digging into it.
I'm not really digging into anything, I'm mostly pointing out that allowing electronic communication to be potentially unaccounted for is no bueno and worthy of significant disciplinary action.
Hence why it should have been a rule to use state servers, SINCE THE 90s.
But it wasn't, so no point complaining about Hillary obeying the rules that existed, and not rules that should have existed.
Especially considering that the state department servers were not themselves exactly secure (and she was not handed a proper secure phone to use).
The number of emails moving through the basement system increased quickly as Hillary Clinton dove into the endless details of her globetrotting job. There were 62,320 in all, an average of 296 a week, nearly 1,300 a month, according to numbers Clinton later reported to the State Department. About half of them were work-related.
Her most frequent correspondent was Mills, her chief of staff, who sent thousands of notes. Next came Abedin, the deputy chief of staff, and Jacob Sullivan, also a deputy chief of staff, according to a tally by The Post.
In step back from the ledge for Dem voters. Obama has hit new highs in opinions polls recently, which should help when he hits the campaign trail for whoever the nominee is.
Obama is in the Low 50's, by comparison the GOP congress is in the teens.
He's heading for one of the most successful post-presidential careers in a long while. No incredibly disastrous war left behind, no scandal, no electoral defeat, and leaving with his all his faculties intact.
I think in time he'll be thought of like the democratic reagan, except we won't have to make shit up about his accomplishments while ignoring what he actually did.
Aside from his love of drones, mother fucker loves him some drones, he probably can't get out of bed without a drone strike somewhere in the world.
Ha. I had the same thought yesterday. Maybe the radicals or tomorrow will say "just like Obama!" as they and feather bankers in the streets. Who knows.
It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
Sorry, added clarification above in an edit
The DoJ and all relevant agencies have already determined Clinton worked within the law and regulations. They largely said that in their opinion she should have used a .gov email address, but that nothing required it. And that the emails she provided before the server was wiped met her legal obligations.
Sure, but again, I'm not saying she did anything wrong with the server. The DoJ says she archived everything, okay cool. I'm saying that if use of a private server ENABLED her to strategically fail to archive emails, and that would be largely undetectable, that's very, very wrong. And I'm not sure how the DoJ would possibly know if she'd done that.
Again, not saying she has anything to hide here, but having a hiding spot is the unacceptable part.
And she could just as easily chosen to, strategically, not use fucking emails for sensitive shit.
This rabit hole goes straight down to other side of the damn planet, no point digging into it.
I'm not really digging into anything, I'm mostly pointing out that allowing electronic communication to be potentially unaccounted for is no bueno and worthy of significant disciplinary action.
On the one hand, I agree with you ethically.
But on the other, I know that the government still treats IT as eldritch magic, and their infrastructure, understanding of, and policy towards it are predictably ancient.
By which I mean the likely answer here is "nothing Clinton did technically broke any policy or law, and as such there's nothing to discipline." Which is a shame, but that's a failing on the part of the Fed to get it's shit together, not on Clinton. I'm also 100% certain that Hillary's e-mail is not the only questionable IT decision made by someone in Fed IT, and likely not even the most serious or damning. It's just the one you're hearing about because "Hillary Clinton".
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It's possible. I mean there could be some mega scandal in waiting for Obama, but I really doubt it. If only because the GOP has been trying to treat every bad thing that happened under his watch as a grand conspiracy among his admin and have never through all their investigations found shit.
Which is really surprising, its not even like a Ken Starr failure, its a complete lack of anything being there. Just amazing in modern politics that can happen.
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Okay; I'll go to bat for Clinton here:
First, the idea that a BlackBerry can be remotely 'hacked' without an intruder gaining access to the device and/or tricking Clinton into giving them her passwords (or having some access to a backdoor; I.E. a contact that works at a call center with Clinton's account information on file) is born out of ignorance, presumably springing from the myths about BlackBerry devices being especially simple to invade (they aren't). Any similar attack could've happened with any device.
It's also irrelevant what server the device is tethered to; it's receiving data from the email server, not sending it.
It's the bolded thing that has me grinding my teeth in frustration, though. No, it's not just a matter of personal comfort, most of the time; having to learn an entirely new OS & interface for some people is nearly as challenging as learning a new language. I'm honestly tired of this kind of thing being shrugged-off in a world that is becoming more and more dependent on mobile devices & computing. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has literally watched someone moved to tears because they are just unable to figure out how to use their new phone?
The state has the resources to accommodate a servant in Mrs. Clinton's position using the device she is most familiar with, and should have made those accommodations, full stop (IMHO). It's a far greater security risk to have someone who doesn't know how their tech works than whatever worries are present about fucking BlackBerry, because someone who doesn't know how their shit works is going to be constantly having to ask for help, and that's where breaches most often happen.
He loves the drones and the drones love him
And again, it's worth pointing out that they tried to do the same thing to the President as well. The difference is that he has enough authority to say "Ha ha, funny joke. Now, get me a BlackBerry, and that's an order."
They got him a BlackBerry.
I would add the press being fucking horrible about reporting on it, but that's pretty much given at this point.
Think of the timeline, though. The reason they only talk about BlackBerries is that for government officials in 2008-9, it's the only device that existed. It would be some years yet before iPhones and androids start invading that space. It's unlikely that they're speaking of the BlackBerry's unique vulnerability.
Heh, I just linked to two well researched and reported pieces.
That part I don't really agree with. The press is doing their job, for better or worse; it's up to the reader, at least to some extent, to flex those faculties they were graced with (like I just did) and draw a conclusion from the news that is reported to them.
Some news networks are better than others for controlling bias, some 'news' nothing other than a partisan hack feeding people their political opinion, etc, but there has been pretty neutral reporting overall on the BlackBerry issue. The people getting most defensive about it & insisting that Clinton was in the wrong (aside from the usual suspects on the other side of the political fence) are those at the WH who backed her into a corner over the issue, so I'd say that's where your scorn should mostly be aimed.
uh, well now. That article doesn't make it seem like nothing.
I thought it was nothing.
However, I don't think she's facing any serious chances of a trial or conviction (especially given the history of other secretaries receiving one or more sensitive emails to their private accounts without issue). I also have to weigh this information against Sander's increasingly unlikely shot at the nomination on one hand and a non-zero probability of armageddon under Trump/Cruz on the other.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
I literally can't agree with this hard enough. Sometimes it is awesome being able to call my self a wizard (because no one the fuck understands the way programming works and thinks it is all just magically there in the magic box in their hands), but sometimes I'd really like for people to not request magic and get pissed when it isn't there in a week.
There is of course an issue of security, but whether any security was ever compromised or not, the issue of accountability and record is huge, and (arguably) far more important.
So, I know I'm quite late to the show, but I just wanted to say....with what you've said about national delimitation in Eurasia and the constitutional basis for korenizatsiya...it's just...
EDIT: Also, ten points to Gryffindor for the Joe Slovo example.
That remains a lot of bad faith assumptions and innuendo. And yes, I read it.
Its also presenting information that is potentially damaging that has been leaked as fact, but things that are not - such as that they've determined that the server wasn't compromised - as up in the air
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It's one of the reasons I'd prefer another Obama term to Clinton were that the choice. She's got a bad habit of doing shit that opens avenue for attack, even if they are bullshit ones. Obama has been really good at coating himself in teflon.
That's weird to think about. W with the wars and recession, Clinton with the shadow of Lewinsky, HW getting chucked, Reagan sliding into dementia, Carter chucked, Ford chucked, Nixon disgraced, LBJ disgraced by war, Kennedy dead, we haven't had a president leave office on really amicable terms since Eisenhower. Clinton, Carter, and HW managed to rehab their image though. Pretty quickly in Clinton's case.
Eisenhower was, ironically, the first president blocked from a third term by the Republican-passed 22nd Amendment.
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It wasn't hard for Bill Clinton considering that the American people cared alot less about the issue then the media and the DC insiders club. And that he oversaw a pretty good economy.
It shouldn't really matter whether she did anything bad while under the cloak of a private server. There are rules in place about this sort of thing so that people remain accountable, and it's a serious issue when those rules are broken. It's not because impropriety was committed, it's because those rules are in place to prevent impropriety.
These rules are there for a very good reason, and breaching them for any reason is an extremely serious offense.
Except there were not rules against a private server.
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There were no rules against a private server. The DoJ has already determined Clinton acted within the laws about archiving emails. The only question is whether she acted with gross negligence in transmitting classified information over the server. Intelligence Agencies and State have different metrics for classification and the whole thing hinges on the IG of the former declaring (sometimes ludicrously by all accounts) emails as classified retroactively. For instance, the Intelligence community thinks if one forwards a NYT article that mentions drone attacks, that is a classified email now.
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There are rules against your official communication being unaccountable though, are there not?
I just don't see it being so hush hush for so long if there was anything actually there. Especially with 149 or whatever agents with hands on, plus X number of other people associated. If there was something there it would have been linked in a more believable way.
I can be completely off base here though.
Sorry, added clarification above in an edit
The DoJ and all relevant agencies have already determined Clinton worked within the law and regulations. They largely said that in their opinion she should have used a .gov email address, but that nothing required it. And that the emails she provided before the server was wiped met her legal obligations.
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Yeah, that tidbit was the first time I've heard of actual wrongdoing with respect to this scandal. She frequently used a SCIF that she wanted to be able to enter with her Blackberry. For those who haven't done government work or watched enough spy TV shows, a SCIF is a special area where you're allowed to deal with classified information. There are all kinds of special rules that need to be followed for before an area can be considered a SCIF, and once inside a SCIF there are rules an individual needs to follow (like: don't leave the damn room unlocked!). There are different standards for bringing in different electronic devices in different SCIFs, but it had been forbidden for her to bring in her Blackberry--not because it was a Blackberry in particular, but because it was an electronic device capable of transmitting and receiving data, and that makes the intelligence community a little paranoid. She asked for a custom Blackberry that could be used in the SCIF, like Obama has, but was denied. So she just brought her normal one in anyway.
Protocol for bringing cell phones in SCIF range anywhere from "leave it outside" to "shut it off" to "keep it on, feel free to use it, but try not to point the camera at classified documents too much". I'm not sure how much of a legal distinction that makes, though, it could just be an administrative thing.
Interestingly enough: there was precedent for allowing Blackberries in the same SCIF. Condi Rice and her team were big into Blackberries. They got special waivers, the people who worked in that suite asked the IC if they could use their blackberries and were told "sure, sounds good." Over time, as more and more waivers were requested, they were told to cut it out.
Yeah, DoS has long been regarded as a security sieve.
It doesn't matter though. The people who have latched on will never be convinced otherwise. Co-worker's new favorite talking point about it is "Well, how can we trust Hilary to decide what she should have turned over or not?"
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Sure, but again, I'm not saying she did anything wrong with the server. The DoJ says she archived everything, okay cool. I'm saying that if use of a private server ENABLED her to strategically fail to archive emails, and that would be largely undetectable, that's very, very wrong. And I'm not sure how the DoJ would possibly know if she'd done that.
Again, not saying she has anything to hide here, but having a hiding spot is the unacceptable part.
Of course. And there will be yet another committee to investigate.
This rabit hole goes straight down to other side of the damn planet, no point digging into it.
I'm not really digging into anything, I'm mostly pointing out that allowing electronic communication to be potentially unaccounted for is no bueno and worthy of significant disciplinary action.
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Yes, the article I linked talks about that.
But it wasn't, so no point complaining about Hillary obeying the rules that existed, and not rules that should have existed.
Especially considering that the state department servers were not themselves exactly secure (and she was not handed a proper secure phone to use).
On the one hand, I agree with you ethically.
But on the other, I know that the government still treats IT as eldritch magic, and their infrastructure, understanding of, and policy towards it are predictably ancient.
By which I mean the likely answer here is "nothing Clinton did technically broke any policy or law, and as such there's nothing to discipline." Which is a shame, but that's a failing on the part of the Fed to get it's shit together, not on Clinton. I'm also 100% certain that Hillary's e-mail is not the only questionable IT decision made by someone in Fed IT, and likely not even the most serious or damning. It's just the one you're hearing about because "Hillary Clinton".
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