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Career Change

tokumeitokumei Registered User regular
edited April 2016 in Help / Advice Forum
Basically the past two and a half years I have been attempting to having reliable employment in web design/dev and SEO/SEM. Now unfortunately I live in Perth Western Australia so because of the mining boom which went and died on us there isn't much work floating around. To make matters worse my area is regularly off shored to India and the Philippines or are given to 457 visas from said regions since the companies can still get those workers to do tasks for less. So as such I technically have two questions for you lot.

1. Am I too old at 27 to go back to do a postgrad to change my career path?
2. What's employment like for IT security? Or my 2nd choice becoming a Librarian how are the employment prospects for that?

p.s. An influence on my idea for changing careers is one of the managers of the studio I worked at said "Why would I hire you when I can hire a guy in India for $7 an hour?"



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  • tokumeitokumei Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Also if it would help detail wise the job I had before that one only lasted for 9 months. Company went under and I was of course let go because of it.

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  • Jimmy KingJimmy King Registered User regular
    I can't speak for your area or a full on career change, but you're not too old for college. I am 36 and am finishing my last semester of an A.S. this year (was going to go full B.S. but had a kid, etc. I need my time back to spend with family). I've been working for years and just wanted the fancy piece of paper to go with it rather than trying to get a career started, so it's somewhat different, but you're definitely not too old. Every class I take I have at least 1-2 other students who are in their 30s and getting their first degree or a second degree in something.

    As to your ps. I am a software developer - mostly web backend stuff. I come across the same "why hire a high paid US citizen to write Python when they can pay some Indian 1/4 to 1/2 as much to crank out some POS in PHP?" attitude. The trick is making the quality of your work worth the pay, figuring out how to show that, and then finding an employer who is looking for quality over cheap. Obviously that's easy to say, not so easy to do. It takes time researching companies, time building a career and portfolio of your work which you can show to people, etc. I ALWAYS have at least one software dev project going on the side, sometimes several, aimed at learning some new technology to stay relevant, show off what I can do, etc. I have to imagine on the web design and SEO side of things you need to do much the same, especially early on in your career, to land the good jobs.

  • CambiataCambiata Commander Shepard The likes of which even GAWD has never seenRegistered User regular
    Agreeing with Jimmy King, you're never too old for college. My sister went back to school in her 40s to get a nursing degree. I'm in my late 30s and planning to go back for an engineering degree.

    Unfortunately I can't give any career expertise for Australia. What I know in the US is that IT security is a pretty solid career path.

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  • CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    tokumei wrote: »
    one of the managers of the studio I worked at said "Why would I hire you when I can hire a guy in India for $7 an hour?"

    Find an answer to this question. One thing is that you can speak to companies in Australia better than people from India. There's no cultural barrier. You speak English perfectly. You understand what Australians are looking for in websites. You can make a higher-quality tailored site. You can do SEO that uses your understanding of Australian culture and people to lead people to the site, rather than deploying thousands of bots to spam forums.

    As for IT security? It has the same problems with offshoring as web development. Probably more so, because there's no cultural barrier. Security is security.

    Librarian. Hahahahaha. That's a hard career to get into. Libraries are closing fast. Web developer is a much better career than that!

  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    tokumei wrote: »
    one of the managers of the studio I worked at said "Why would I hire you when I can hire a guy in India for $7 an hour?"

    Find an answer to this question. One thing is that you can speak to companies in Australia better than people from India. There's no cultural barrier. You speak English perfectly. You understand what Australians are looking for in websites. You can make a higher-quality tailored site. You can do SEO that uses your understanding of Australian culture and people to lead people to the site, rather than deploying thousands of bots to spam forums.

    As for IT security? It has the same problems with offshoring as web development. Probably more so, because there's no cultural barrier. Security is security.

    Librarian. Hahahahaha. That's a hard career to get into. Libraries are closing fast. Web developer is a much better career than that!

    The biggest thing in IT for local vs. India - become a developer, not a coder. Developers ask detailed questions to build the right solutions, coders code to spec, even if it makes no sense. Hiring Indian coders is really easy. Hiring developers is harder and closer to US cost structures (still lower, but not by as much as you think).

  • TeeManTeeMan BrainSpoon Registered User regular
    The City of Perth library on Hay Street recently finished a massive refurbishment and expansion. Several of my friends work there in various capacities and from what I can recall about our conversations about their work is that it's a pretty good environment if you're civic-minded and has very little turnover. It's worth investigating what employment prospects are like there or if you're nearby another decent sized library (City of Stirling or City of Gosnells, for example) to have a gander.

    If it is something you're considering, I'd recommend doing volunteer work there to get a feel for it and get some contacts before jumping in with both feet.

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  • tokumeitokumei Registered User regular
    Thanks I just feel like such a massive failure I haven't has much luck work wise the past few years and of course this is having its impact.

  • schussschuss Registered User regular
    tokumei wrote: »
    Thanks I just feel like such a massive failure I haven't has much luck work wise the past few years and of course this is having its impact.

    Nah, some things don't work out. It's how you recover from failures that defines you, not whether you fail or not, as everyone fails constantly.

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    Are you actually tired of your career or are you just frustrated at not having a steady job? Is moving an option?

  • tokumeitokumei Registered User regular
    edited April 2016
    Zek wrote: »
    Are you actually tired of your career or are you just frustrated at not having a steady job? Is moving an option?

    Mostly just frustration at not having a steady job as for moving.... I have had the individuals interviewing me questioning me about moving interstate and making very clear they would rather hire someone already there for muh diversity in short I have no hope and should castrate myself.

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  • tokumeitokumei Registered User regular
    I have just gotten sick of how disposable people in my current area are. I wasted my life for nothing.

  • tokumeitokumei Registered User regular
    Checked out the library career by asking people who actually studied it what it was like so I got some info there.

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