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Enlong

Rius wrote: »

Enlong wrote: »

Considering giving Kuja one more shot before the event closes. If I swap Agrias for Galuf and use DG as an RW, I might just make it. I'll have to dump more eggs into Galuf to bring him closer to 80, of course.

Should Mog use Protecga/Shellga and the armor breakdown dance, or Protectga/Shellga and Diaga? I will have Wakka using Full Break and Magic Breakdown, with his Attack Reels on tap for his soul break. Mog has Heroic Harmony.

If you have multiple physical attackers (main and Support included), then Armor Breakdown adds a fair bit of damage; the dance doesn't do damage, but it probably adds more than Mog would using Diaga unless Mog is capping out on Diaga. Especially if you have multi-hit physical SBs.

My team would be Selphie, Mog, Wakka, Cloud, and Galuf. Wakka and Cloud both have multi-hit SBs (Attack Reels and Fenrir Overdrive, respectively). Galuf does not, but the SB he does have (Fist of the Dawn) will increase the power of Cloud and Wakka. I can probably give him double Cut, as I don't think a 2-use Exploding Fist will be useful against Kuja.

Rius

In that case, just give Galuf Armor Break, and give Mog a DPS ability.

Cloud - Lifesiphon, Drain Strike (?) - Fenrir Overdrive
Galuf - Lifesiphon, Armor Break - ?
Wakka - Full Break, Magic Breakdown - Attack Reels
Mog - ? (dps), Protectga - Heroic Harmony
Selphie - Curaja, Shellga - ?

Does Selphie have Dreamstage?

Fry

Dancer really needs a damage skill. They should release Sword Dance or something, seriously.

With that lineup, I might try something like
Selphie: Shellga, Diaga, Dr.Mog's
Mog: Curaja, ???, Battleforged/Ace Striker
Wakka: Full Break, Magic Breakdown, +20% ATK/DMG
Cloud: Lifesiphon, ???, +20% ATK/DMG
Galuf: Power Break, Armor Break, Mako Might

Dunno what would go in those ???. Probably Drain Strike for Cloud, and maybe Protectga for Mog.

I assume the reason Agrias came out is that you have her SSB and not Cleansing Strike? Because Cleansing Strike Agrias seems a lot better than Heroic Harmony Mog for this fight.

edit: I put Selphie as the WM-dps due to her higher MND and the fact that cures scale much less with MND. Power Break might help keep you alive at the end, when Kuja starts flinging nontrivial physical attacks. My plan was for one of your Dr. Mog's/Mako Might to go on Galuf, but if you're not doing that, he probably does need a Lifesiphon so you can have the Boostga in a timely fashion.

Enlong

Yeah, I have Hallowed Bolt for Agrias. I really wish I had Cleansing Strike.

Selphie does not have Dreamstage. But she is my only Medica user, with Trabia's Light.

Wait, the Break skills stack with Full break? I thought it was only the Breakdowns that still worked when Full Break is up. That changes things.

I've been using Retaliate on Cloud, to allow guys like Mog to do damage with their turns, but perhaps Drain Strike would be better? He still has Lifesiphon, though. That's important.

Galuf's SB is going to be Fist of the Dawn. That way I can use a Divine Guardian RW.

Zombie Hero

I think Breaks and Breakdowns share the same ID, so FB stacks with either, but they don't stack with each other.

Rius

Full Break stacks with Breakdowns or Breaks, just one of each category at a time. Armor Break and Armor Breakdown have the same ID.

For that matter, Attack Reels and Magic Break/Breakdown have the same ID, so don't worry about refreshing Magic Breakdown for a while after you've done Attack Reels.

If you have Mako Might or Dr. Mog's to spare, you could give one to Wakka and have him lead off with Attack Reels. By the time it's wearing off, you should have enough SB to reapply it. In this scenario, you could give him something other than Magic Breakdown. Perhaps Armor Breakdown, or Power Breakdown?

Enlong

That's a possibility. I was thinking about giving one of those two to Galuf, to start out with the power boost, but maybe that's not as important.

Rius

Enlong wrote: »

That's a possibility. I was thinking about giving one of those two to Galuf, to start out with the power boost, but maybe that's not as important.

From personal experience, when Galuf takes 3 turns to Lifesiphon and 1.5 more turns to turn on his Boostega, it's really painful. You lose out on a lot of damage that way. I think your best bet for the two starter RMs is Galuf/Mog.

Perhaps give Wakka the Knight's Charge RM, in an AoE heavy fight like Kuja I've found it's pretty good at getting that first SB bar.

Enlong

Rius wrote: »

Enlong wrote: »

That's a possibility. I was thinking about giving one of those two to Galuf, to start out with the power boost, but maybe that's not as important.

From personal experience, when Galuf takes 3 turns to Lifesiphon and 1.5 more turns to turn on his Boostega, it's really painful. You lose out on a lot of damage that way. I think your best bet for the two starter RMs is Galuf/Mog.

Perhaps give Wakka the Knight's Charge RM, in an AoE heavy fight like Kuja I've found it's pretty good at getting that first SB bar.

Sounds good. I could then perhaps give Selphie either Ace Striker (to make Curaga build more meter towards her Medica) or one of the healing-boost RMs.

Cloud will, of course, be using either Dragoon's Determination, or One-Eyed General. How much ATK does he need in order for Fist of the Dawn to bring him high enough that OEG is the better option?

Rius

438 ATK before Fist of the Dawn brings you just over the soft cap of 590 ATK. The further you are past 438 before FotD, the better OEG will be.

Enlong

Oooh. Then I'd better use DD. My IX synergy isn't good enough to bring Cloud that high.

Fry

I'd think that you'd want your medica ready to go to recover after the Gravija, and rely on Protectga/Shellga and Power/Magic/Full Break/down to keep you from getting gibbed for the first little bit. Give one of the faster SB generation RMs to Mog and he should be able to turn on HH in plenty of time for Trance shenanigans.

I would think more damage all the time would be better than more SB generation for Wakka.

Enlong

So give MM and Dr Mog to Galuf and Mog?

Rius

He's talking about giving them to Galuf and Selphie. Basically you have to wait for one of three things;

No Fist of the Dawn? Your damage output for the first 4 rounds is going to be painfully low.
No Heroic Harmony? Since you're not RWing Wall, you'll be taking a fair bit of damage before this goes up.
No Trabia's Light? You probably won't have a full SB gauge by the time Gravija goes out, so you'll be pressed for healing at that point.

There's no way around the first, so Galuf pretty much wants one of your ready-go RMs. The second you can get around with a first round combo of RW+Protectga+Shellga+Full Break. The third is hard to get around, but Drain Strike on Cloud might help.

The fight is only 1 stamina; might as well try a few different configurations. If it turns out you can do without an early HH or TL, then you might give Wakka your second ready-go RM and let him run something other than Magic Breakdown.

Enlong

Alright. Good ideas.

Daffydd

Here's a good analysis of cutoff ATK values for using various RMs.

It looks like the numbers are after buffs. So if a character's ATK is 408 or higher before Galuf's SB, use 20% DMG (e.g., OEG or PotRW for swords); otherwise, use 20% ATK (DD).

Heroic Harmony does not stack with Cleansing Strike, so don't feel bad about that (they're both buff code #610). I do suggest that Heroic Harmony, not medica, is your first priority for Dr. Mog's RM. Damage taken is damage taken, and Kuja's attacks will hurt too much without HH active.

If you're using DG as your RW, you may not need Selphie's inferior medica - particularly since Diaga is going to be doing piddly damage. Drain Strike on Cloud would take some of the resulting heal pressure off of Mog. You also need to compensate for Galuf's compromised damage - Fry is absolutely right, you need to have his ATK buff active from the first round or you'll run out of hones before Kuja is dead. If you MUST bring Selphie, you might consider giving Mog a break(down) dance so that Galuf can carry a better damage skill than a 1.7x break.

ArcTangent

Carry Armor down with only a slight hitch resulting in one medal lost for damage thanks to decent weapon RS for 7. Wanted to use MG8 for RW, but it wasn't up, so I said "fuck it" and used an RW Cleansing Strike for my Lapis Laser mitigation (no shell), which bit me in the ass when Relm reapplied it to the body as the second arm was at ~5% HP. It grabbed Tyro out of reapplying Wall, and I ended up eating another laser for ~2000 across the board before I could get it back up. Lightning with Dismissal, Zack with Air Strike, and Ramza with Stones really cuts down on the number of times these things get to move. My super dream now is that Lightning's BSSB gets added to the fest on Cecil's banner. So many stuns. I want it so badly.

Will take a go at the U+ tonight. Thinking I'll sub in Agrias for Lightning and a BSSB RW to give her stuff to do with the relatively weak hones I have for her. I expect I'll probably end up running pretty dry by the end, but it shouldn't be too bad. I could also RW an ether and/or let Relm sit this one out, Tyro/Ramza play White Mages, RW my beloved major regen instead, and bring Lightning for the extra damage. I've got a lot of options on how to approach this and stretch my hones.

Enlong

The reason I want Cleansing Strike is because if I did, I'd be able to use Agrias instead of Mog in most situations. But HH is the closest thing I have to a wall, so Mog it is.

I'll try going with Selphie to start with. But if it seems I just don't have enough damage, and that her heals aren't needed, I'll try swapping Selphie out with Agrias.

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Put the healing spell on Mog? I could try that.

Artereis

That lapis laser got pretty nasty toward the end. I'm pretty sure I had all my mitigation up, and it was still doing fairly sizable damage.

Enlong

Oh wait. My IX synergy is actually way better than I remembered. Cloud can get above the soft cap using Steiner's Ultima Blade and the Aires. I wonder if I can get his ATK high while still maintaining his def and res.

ArcTangent

Artereis wrote: »

That lapis laser got pretty nasty toward the end. I'm pretty sure I had all my mitigation up, and it was still doing fairly sizable damage.

The single target one (550% vs 330% AoE) was plunking for around 1700 damage with all mitigation up once the arms went down, but it only got to fire it once between all the stuns and Lightning dropping a pair of ~45k Crushing Blows.

Enlong

Okay, assuming Cloud has the Aries, I can get his ATK, DEF, and RES to 463, 259, and 262 (Gauntlets), or to 435, 306, and 295 (Power Sash).

Of course, I still have the other characters to think about. Thinking the Gauntlets would be better spent on someone with less raw base power than Cloud.

Rius

Power Sash + Fist of the Dawn puts him at the ATK soft cap, so give him One-Eyed General and go to town.

Fleur de Alys

So does anyone else find One-Eyed General to be a horrible name for an RM or am I just really immature

urahonky

Can someone explain this FF Portal App promotion? It says Goal: 500,000 points. Get 5 mithril and 3 major growth eggs. Does that mean that I have to make it to 500,000 points by July 8th?

Rius

It's a community goal with cumulative rewards.

ArcTangent

urahonky wrote: »

Can someone explain this FF Portal App promotion? It says Goal: 500,000 points. Get 5 mithril and 3 major growth eggs. Does that mean that I have to make it to 500,000 points by July 8th?

It's a collab thing. Not you personally. Everybody who uses the FF Portal App, including people who don't play FFRK has to reach those points in total. And people who play FFRK but don't use it get the free stuff too. There's only like, 5-10 points available a day per person. They did it last month too, although I kind of doubt they'll make the full reward this time since when you create a new account for it, there's a 'big' backlog of articles to mark for about 80 points.

urahonky

Phew. I was thinking "okay I need 500,000 points. I currently have: 6. I can do this!"

joomanjii

Rius wrote: »

It's a community goal with cumulative rewards.

That makes a lot of sense. I installed the app, looked at what gave points and thought to myself, "How the hell am I going to get over 500,000 points?!" I'll reinstall the app again lol

El Fantastico

I'm shocked they're doing it twice in a row. Was/is this an ongoing thing in Japan, too? I can see global maybe hitting the mid-tier goal, but yeah, after the first time promotion with everyone who's never used the app collecting about 30-40 points on Day 1, those big boosts are all gone now. And the app is a chore to navigate. It actively makes me not care enough to bother.

chrisnl

Speculation is that this is our equivalent of their Twitter / social media campaigns. We cleared the last one with several days to spare, but this month is one day shorter and, as mentioned above, the backlog of points to acquire is already used up.

Bluecyan

Kuja down! Third week in a row Celes has gotten MVP for ultimates. To humor myself, tried going with a mage team first, Exdeath (grand cross) Rinoa, Lulu (Focus), Quistis(Mighty Guard), Aerith. It looked to be a good set up, but with absolutely no synergy gear outside of the 3* event gear kept running empty at the end. Only 3k from aja level spells won't cut it even with Exdeath being able to constantly dish out massive dark damage. Also required a lot of luck and very well timed reraise for Exdeath to regain buffs after doom.

Going physical was much safer and actually let me use the only two 9 synergy weapons. Pretty much the same team as last week, Celes, Agrias, Cloud, Tyro, Aerith. Actually a good bit easier than bahamut or I just got lucky with the flare stars gigavolts. Still required some S/Ling mostly to due to misplays on my part.

Looking forward to this week's though, full VII synergy except for relics and 4/5 VII characters with great SBs (Shadow Flare, Blade Beam, Planet Protector, Lunatic High).

Dunadan019

El Fantastico wrote: »

I'm shocked they're doing it twice in a row. Was/is this an ongoing thing in Japan, too? I can see global maybe hitting the mid-tier goal, but yeah, after the first time promotion with everyone who's never used the app collecting about 30-40 points on Day 1, those big boosts are all gone now. And the app is a chore to navigate. It actively makes me not care enough to bother.

I believe it is also ongoing in JP

also,

ultimate and ultimate+ smashed. FFVII synergy needs no help. I did the Ultimate cid mission style with Barret, sephiroth, cloud, aerith and zack but I wish I had swapped in redxiii for barret.

ArcTangent

Ended up running U+ over lunch. Standard one medal lost for actions, two for damage. Probably because I took a beam blast at the last second when apparently some mitigation must've fallen because it stung for ~2500.



Went pretty smoothly until Proudclod, when everything fell apart. I got confused as to which was the armor and which was the actual dude to kill at the start (until I Air Striked and saw the difference in HP) and then couldn't remember if I had used a Breakdown on the right one, so I'm pretty sure I overused them at the start which led to the above damage. Seriously. What a dick. I also handled Agrias with Fenrir OD very poorly. She had two SSBs charged at the end, while Tyro was completely out of anything and that Stone Throw was Ramza's last attack before going on Auto. She should've definitely been SSBing instead of the second Fenrir, and let Tyro play pretend-Cloud. Still, any victory is a good one.

Stats/Setup

urahonky

Nothing more annoying than having to S/L twice in a row because the RNG gods want to be assholes. LEAVE LUNETH ALONE SO I CAN HEAL HIM.

edit: 3 times. Arc you're too slow!

Fry

Enlong wrote: »

Okay, assuming Cloud has the Aries, I can get his ATK, DEF, and RES to 463, 259, and 262 (Gauntlets), or to 435, 306, and 295 (Power Sash).

Of course, I still have the other characters to think about. Thinking the Gauntlets would be better spent on someone with less raw base power than Cloud.

I usually feel like 200 def and res is plenty for all content, but then again, I have a wall.

Shamus

Perfect screenshot @ArcTangent. Throw Stone is hysterical.

silence1186

Beat Carry Armor. It involved endlessly resetting until I got Shellga up before the first Lapis Laser, because otherwise everyone would start off near critical and be dead before I could heal everyone back up.

Once I got a good start though, full medals. This game is wonky.

Artereis

Ha, Kuja down. I was a little worried after the first few attempts, but I only lost 1 damage medal on the kill.

Daffydd

U+ mastered first try with two medals, one each for actions and boneheadedness (damage I shouldn't have taken). I think it qualifies as the oddest mastery I've gotten (I expected to lose more medals). I forgot to cast Shellga during phase 1 - don't know how I missed that, the phase 1 magic was painful - and took way too long to refresh Protectga - it probably dropped some time during phase 2, and I didn't notice until one of Proudclad's wrist lasers hurt. Y'shtola died in phase 3 right after refreshing SSII. This was mastery through excessive armament, not any particular skill. OTOH, I am pleased to have brought Flashing Blade R3 AND Saint Cross R3 on Gilgamesh (if only I had one of his relics, any one would make me happy). Even so, I don't think I could have avoided the medal lost for actions unless I had another single-target (B)SSB.

Note Bene: U+ Arena Proudclad is NOT weak to lightning after his armor is removed. In fact, you shouldn't expend effort removing his armor, because body+armor takes more effective HP than just killing the higher-defense body (considering hp values normalized to the same armor value).

Zidane Lifesiphon R3 / Thief's Revenge R3 / Shift Break / One-Eyed General
Agrias Lifesiphon R4 / Protectga R2 / Cleansing Strike / PotRW
Ramza Power Breakdown R4 / Magic Breakdown R4 / Soldier's Pride / Hail of Stones
Gilgamesh Flashing Blade R3 / Saint Cross R3 / Pugilist / Morphin Time!
Y'shtola Curaja R4 / Shellga R2 / SSII / Dr. Mog's
RW: Shout

Shift Break is fantastic in long fights if you don't have native Shout. The fight lasted longer than the Shout RW, so Morphin Time and Shift Break ended up being useful. Thief's Revenge and Saint Cross meant I had two characters that didn't need healing.