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Replacing a Ballast

StericaSterica YesRegistered User, Moderator mod
edited June 2016 in Help / Advice Forum
The ballast in my kitchen has gone bad, and a few days ago I worked on replacing it. At first things seemed fixed: everything lit up (some lamps taking a bit longer than others), but after a few minutes lamps started going out or flickering and I began to smell burning. So obviously yeah, turned that shit off ASAP.

My set up is two 2-Lamp T12 electric ballasts for four lamps in total. Yes, I am aware that T12s are being phased out and T8 are the cool new thing, but I didn't know this when buying replacement ballasts and honestly I'd rather not go through the chore of disconnecting all the wires in order to exchange the ballasts. I'd like to see if it's possible that something beside a ballast is cooking. Here is the wiring set-up:

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x 2 because two ballasts.

Black boxes are connectors, which is my first thought for things going wrong. Hey maybe I shouldn't be putting four wires in a single connector? Wiring could also be a problem, obviously, but I followed the diagram on the ballast itself and sadly there is very little visual aids for wiring a T12 since just about every guide is for T8s or transitioning from a T12 to a T8. Guess how I found out I done fucked up? Also, maybe I got neutral and/or hots crossed and they're going to the wrong ballasts?

Sockets are another concern, as upon inspection some are fairly fucked up but they worked beforehand so I'm not sure if that's a possible cause of something overheating. I also considered the bulbs being the wrong wattage but they match the 40 watts the ballast claims so I dunno. This is my first repair job like this so honestly I'm just happy the fixture didn't explode, but I would like to have a functional light.

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    How old is the house?

  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    About thirty years old?

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  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    About thirty years old?
    So you may need to rewire some things. At the very least cut the power and look at some outlets. A lot of shotty electrical work was done in the 70s and 80s. Undersized wire heats up. If the insulation has been melted it'll heat up. If they didn't junction it correctly it'll heat up.

    Normally I suggest having an electrician take a look, but from first look to rewire, it's a 6k-8k type issue, and you seam pretty confident in your ability to wire it up.

    From what you are saying it doesn't sound like you fucked up the install, but without looking I wouldn't be able to tell, it could be something small and its grounding out too soon or a wire is messing up along the way, maybe you got "lucky" and a rat just ate thru part of a wire. That's a cheap fix and would cause this sort of problem.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    I went ahead and just paired off wires into their own connectors just to see if the fours were causing problems. No dice, middle two lights are dead and the outer two flicker. It does not take long for the smell to start, and it seems to be coming from a ballast.

    There is some older wiring I can look at, as I didn't mess with the previous neutral/hot set up which consists of like three old wires twisted together. I'll check those out, because I don't see any damage otherwise.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    How important is the fluorescent? You might consider ripping everything out and wiring it straight up for LED instead.

    They make LED bulbs that fit into fluorescent fixtures now. It'd be an alternative to dealing with ballast headaches. Will probably reduce your electric bill a little bit as well.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2016
    It's not that important, but I'm super reluctant to invest this much time into this thing only to have to rip it all out for a new fixture. I am at a point where it's a more appealing alternative to calling an electrician.

    EDIT: or did you mean LED bulbs that can go IN a fluorescent fixture?

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Yeah they make LED bulbs that go straight into a fixture. Some require ballast bypasses, some don't, some you can wire right up.

    I believe they're labeled as T12/T8/T5 but I'm pretty in the dark about the whole concept so I might be wrong.

    https://www.earthled.com/blogs/light-2-0-the-earthled-blog-led-lighting-news-tips-reviews/33135492-how-to-buy-t8-and-t12-led-fluorescent-replacement-tubes

    Saw them a week or so ago at home depot and made a mental note that that seems like a cool idea.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • zepherinzepherin Russian warship, go fuck yourself Registered User regular
    edited June 2016
    bowen wrote: »
    Yeah they make LED bulbs that go straight into a fixture. Some require ballast bypasses, some don't, some you can wire right up.

    I believe they're labeled as T12/T8/T5 but I'm pretty in the dark about the whole concept so I might be wrong.

    https://www.earthled.com/blogs/light-2-0-the-earthled-blog-led-lighting-news-tips-reviews/33135492-how-to-buy-t8-and-t12-led-fluorescent-replacement-tubes

    Saw them a week or so ago at home depot and made a mental note that that seems like a cool idea.
    Those are awesome we use those in machine rooms and elevator pits to bring up the candle power.

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