Wait what does Netflix have to do with it? I thought this was going to be the seller for CBS's own streaming service nobody wants? Did I miss something?
Wait what does Netflix have to do with it? I thought this was going to be the seller for CBS's own streaming service nobody wants? Did I miss something?
Its in the video. Netflix has international (non-us) rights to the show and are basically bankrolling the entire show.
ultimately i want disney to buy trek, probably could get it for half a billion easy. Muppets, Marvel star wars please own muh soul disney!
Oh god, if Disney buys Star Trek we just might get that crossover film we've all been waiting for. Disney proved with Rogue One that they are totally on board with making awesome fanservice films.
Why do I feel like all that will happen is Netflix and those with product licenses will pull the plug, and CBS will attempt to make some money back via advertising by airing a heavily edited version of the pilot plus whatever other footage may fit into a two hour movie of the week?
I mean, Trek tried action packed and sexy with Enterprise. It didn't work. And, really, the Kelvin universe movies are basically just a few notches above the Transformers franchise. Sure, they make money, but it's not a style that fits with TV.
ultimately i want disney to buy trek, probably could get it for half a billion easy. Muppets, Marvel star wars please own muh soul disney!
Oh god, if Disney buys Star Trek we just might get that crossover film we've all been waiting for. Disney proved with Rogue One that they are totally on board with making awesome fanservice films.
What's the scenario here? Iron Man and Star Lord join the Enterprise to blow up Death Star 3.04.0? Or Thor helps the Millennium Falcon do the Kessel Run in 11 parsecs to stop Loki from helping the Borg invade Fraggle Rock?
ultimately i want disney to buy trek, probably could get it for half a billion easy. Muppets, Marvel star wars please own muh soul disney!
Oh god, if Disney buys Star Trek we just might get that crossover film we've all been waiting for. Disney proved with Rogue One that they are totally on board with making awesome fanservice films.
What's the scenario here? Iron Man and Star Lord join the Enterprise to blow up Death Star 3.04.0? Or Thor helps the Millennium Falcon do the Kessel Run in 11 parsecs to stop Loki from helping the Borg invade Fraggle Rock?
The Muppets vs. Star Trek vs. Star Wars meets MCU?
Sure, but they're retelling A Christmas Carol. But this time it's in spaaaace.
A Life Day Carol!
Senator Palpatine is visited by three Force Ghosts, Young Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke.
He eventually decides that ruling the galaxy for 20 years is totally worth it.
ultimately i want disney to buy trek, probably could get it for half a billion easy. Muppets, Marvel star wars please own muh soul disney!
Oh god, if Disney buys Star Trek we just might get that crossover film we've all been waiting for. Disney proved with Rogue One that they are totally on board with making awesome fanservice films.
What's the scenario here? Iron Man and Star Lord join the Enterprise to blow up Death Star 3.04.0? Or Thor helps the Millennium Falcon do the Kessel Run in 11 parsecs to stop Loki from helping the Borg invade Fraggle Rock?
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So I was watching SFDebris's new video about Spock, and I had a realization: Star Trek really likes the outcast paragon character archetype. By this I don't mean someone who's really awesome but exiled from their people (e.g. Drizzt), but someone who's sort of an outcast from the culture of their birth despite embodying its greatest virtues. Spock, Worf, Odo, even 7 of 9 in a meta sense, with Voyager not really gelling until she showed up (of course you could make the argument it still didn't work after, but there was something of an improvement).
Yeah, it's an interesting character perspective, but it became too formulaic. Every show had to have their "spock/data". I think Odo was pretty different. Seven annoyed me because it was just such a blatant "we need a data!" move.
Yeah, it's an interesting character perspective, but it became too formulaic. Every show had to have their "spock/data". I think Odo was pretty different. Seven annoyed me because it was just such a blatant "we need a data!" move.
I dislike the motivation but I'm still glad it happened because they (accidentally?) hired a fantastic actress for the role, who went on to smash it right out of the park. Like, I shudder to think what, say, Jolene Blalock would have done with the part….
Yeah, it's an interesting character perspective, but it became too formulaic. Every show had to have their "spock/data". I think Odo was pretty different. Seven annoyed me because it was just such a blatant "we need a data!" move.
I dislike the motivation but I'm still glad it happened because they (accidentally?) hired a fantastic actress for the role, who went on to smash it right out of the park. Like, I shudder to think what, say, Jolene Blalock would have done with the part….
I thought Blalock was an excellent T'Pol. Supposedly she's a huge Trek fan and displeased by how the series turned out.
Since we're speaking of Chuck, I always liked his take on Worf and his relationship with the Klingon ideals; that most Klingons have "external" honour, the code of honour that their society has agreed upon and generally follows to avoid being ostracized, among other things. Meanwhile Worf, who never had to deal with that society until adulthood, has "internal" honour. He's so thoroughly embraced and internalised what the ideals are supposed to be that he follows them for his own sake alone. And that being said, the influence of Starfleet means he hasn't just carbon copied the Klingon ideals, he's forged his own beliefs as well, and this has empowered him to stand up for stuff even when his internal honour conflicts with what the external honour has agreed. I think in terms of "outcast beating the culture at their own game", Worf is probably the winner on that front, even if you think the other characters are overall better.
And yes, Seven turned out to be a pretty good character in spite of the motives behind her creation.
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Yeah, it's an interesting character perspective, but it became too formulaic. Every show had to have their "spock/data". I think Odo was pretty different. Seven annoyed me because it was just such a blatant "we need a data!" move.
I dislike the motivation but I'm still glad it happened because they (accidentally?) hired a fantastic actress for the role, who went on to smash it right out of the park. Like, I shudder to think what, say, Jolene Blalock would have done with the part….
I thought Blalock was an excellent T'Pol. Supposedly she's a huge Trek fan and displeased by how the series turned out.
She seemed to get "emotionless detachment" confused with "seething contempt" for quite a lot of the first season. But then that seems to be how all the Vulcans rolled in Enterprise so maybe she was doing better than I thought?
Since we're speaking of Chuck, I always liked his take on Worf and his relationship with the Klingon ideals; that most Klingons have "external" honour, the code of honour that their society has agreed upon and generally follows to avoid being ostracized, among other things. Meanwhile Worf, who never had to deal with that society until adulthood, has "internal" honour. He's so thoroughly embraced and internalised what the ideals are supposed to be that he follows them for his own sake alone. And that being said, the influence of Starfleet means he hasn't just carbon copied the Klingon ideals, he's forged his own beliefs as well, and this has empowered him to stand up for stuff even when his internal honour conflicts with what the external honour has agreed. I think in terms of "outcast beating the culture at their own game", Worf is probably the winner on that front, even if you think the other characters are overall better.
And yes, Seven turned out to be a pretty good character in spite of the motives behind her creation.
Worf is just the standard thing where parts of a culture that end up broken off or isolated from their source become much more concerned with purity and preservation then the place that culture comes from and end up basing their ideas of what constitutes that culture on a bunch of stereotypes and things seen from a distance.
Other Klingons are just trying to be themselves and get on with their normal lives. Worf is desperately obsessively concerned with being the Ur-Klingon and molds himself around the stereotypical view of what that means.
Other Klingons are just trying to be themselves and get on with their normal lives. Worf is desperately obsessively concerned with being the Ur-Klingon and molds himself around the stereotypical view of what that means.
And often much to his detriment. It was always striking to see his interactions with other Klingons since they weren't so concerned with honor and weren't the humorless wall he always seemed to be. His inability to move beyond Klingon dogma (on a Federation starship no less..) basically got K'Ehleyr murdered and orphaned a son who he would never connect with. Over and over his sense of honor got in the way of just getting shit done, and often ended up with him getting used because the minute you started quoting Kahless, you could pretty much get him to do whatever you wanted.
There's certainly something to be said for standing up for what you believe in, even when it would be extremely convenient not to, but I was always annoyed that the writers couldn't ever let him out of that box.
Yeah, it's an interesting character perspective, but it became too formulaic. Every show had to have their "spock/data". I think Odo was pretty different. Seven annoyed me because it was just such a blatant "we need a data!" move.
I dislike the motivation but I'm still glad it happened because they (accidentally?) hired a fantastic actress for the role, who went on to smash it right out of the park. Like, I shudder to think what, say, Jolene Blalock would have done with the part….
I thought Blalock was an excellent T'Pol. Supposedly she's a huge Trek fan and displeased by how the series turned out.
She seemed to get "emotionless detachment" confused with "seething contempt" for quite a lot of the first season. But then that seems to be how all the Vulcans rolled in Enterprise so maybe she was doing better than I thought?
Yea I actually think that that's what she was going for. Vulcans in Enterprise were very different than the ones from later on, on purpose.
Enterprise was trying way too hard to make the Vulcans the bad guys by having them act like condescending jerks seething with contempt. But it kept backfiring since the humans were written to be so dumb that they inadvertently proved the Vulcans right about how the Enterprise and Starfleet weren't ready to explore the galaxy on their own.
The Human/Vulcan/Andorian love triangle was one of the best things about Enterprise. It honked me off a bit that it took so long for Andorians, a founding species of the Federation, to be fleshed out after being almost completely ingnored over all of the various series except for one episode of TOS. Same with Tellarites, even though they just had a few token appearances in Enterprise.
I get why it is that way because hey, a couple of prosthetic pointy ears are probably a hell of a lot cheaper than the makeup required for an Andorian/Tellarite.
But it made just perfect sense. Even in TOS, The Federation had been around...150? years so that's plenty of time for integration of the cultures and a long time of living and working together side by side. But yeah, in the Enterprise era, all that shit is new and you've got bigotry towards aliens and smug, douchebag vulcans and relations are obviously going to be rocky or just outright hostile and the idea of Vulcans and Andorians being enemies just worked out so well.
It's just so ironic that this came from Berman and Braga when many people credit them with ruining Star Trek
The thing that bugged me about the Andorians in Enterprise was that they were made to be the Vulcans' opposite.
Vulcans are logical and patient, whereas Andorians are impulsive and emotional.
Vulcans are largely scholarly, scientific types whereas Andorians are militaristic.
Vulcans come from a desert planet whereas Andorians come from an ice planet.
They were, largely, not-Vulcans. And while Jeffrey Combs chewed the shit out of the scenery as Shran, I couldn't help but feel that the race was portrayed in a really lazy way.
Um. All of that has been at least soft canon/fanon for a long time. A LOOOOONG time.
(I think it also worth noting that from what we've seen, every 'major' species in Trek had a period in their past where they came very close to utterly destroying themselves before getting their stuff together.)
Um. All of that has been at least soft canon/fanon for a long time. A LOOOOONG time.
(I think it also worth noting that from what we've seen, every 'major' species in Trek had a period in their past where they came very close to utterly destroying themselves before getting their stuff together.)
i'd be real curious what this was for the Q.
for the Klingons, seems like it was last Thursday.
Um. All of that has been at least soft canon/fanon for a long time. A LOOOOONG time.
(I think it also worth noting that from what we've seen, every 'major' species in Trek had a period in their past where they came very close to utterly destroying themselves before getting their stuff together.)
i'd be real curious what this was for the Q.
for the Klingons, seems like it was last every Thursday.
The Q live in an existential hell and are completely dead on the inside so it's debatable whether they really have their shit together.
Now that I think about it, the Q are basically what humanity will become once we have nothing left to explore and are now burning ants with a magnifying glass for fleeting amusement and a temporary break from the boredom of existence. They are our end state.
There is that fan theory that the Q actually are humanity billions of years into the future and they're trying to change their past so they don't end up in the Continuum.
Um. All of that has been at least soft canon/fanon for a long time. A LOOOOONG time.
(I think it also worth noting that from what we've seen, every 'major' species in Trek had a period in their past where they came very close to utterly destroying themselves before getting their stuff together.)
i'd be real curious what this was for the Q.
for the Klingons, seems like it was last Thursday.
They had the Eugenics thing in Enterprise, cold war with the Federation in TOS, Praxis in Star Trek 6, assorted leadership issues throughout the entirety of TNG and DS9...
If all this is happening after they got their shit together enough (as a race) to found an interplanetary empire, I'd love to see how fucking nuts they were before that.
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The Q live in an existential hell and are completely dead on the inside so it's debatable whether they really have their shit together.
Now that I think about it, the Q are basically what humanity will become once we have nothing left to explore and are now burning ants with a magnifying glass for fleeting amusement and a temporary break from the boredom of existence. They are our end state.
An entire race of Kefkas?
I would have taken this over that Confederate-sympathizing Civil War crap any day.
The Q live in an existential hell and are completely dead on the inside so it's debatable whether they really have their shit together.
Now that I think about it, the Q are basically what humanity will become once we have nothing left to explore and are now burning ants with a magnifying glass for fleeting amusement and a temporary break from the boredom of existence. They are our end state.
An entire race of Kefkas?
I would have taken this over that Confederate-sympathizing Civil War crap any day.
Wasn't that all from Voyager? I'll just pretend it never happened.
Between the Borg and Q, Voyager crapped on everything it touched.
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Its in the video. Netflix has international (non-us) rights to the show and are basically bankrolling the entire show.
Oh god, if Disney buys Star Trek we just might get that crossover film we've all been waiting for. Disney proved with Rogue One that they are totally on board with making awesome fanservice films.
Sure, but they're retelling A Christmas Carol. And this time it's in spaaaace.
Yeah, ok, I'm in.
I mean, Trek tried action packed and sexy with Enterprise. It didn't work. And, really, the Kelvin universe movies are basically just a few notches above the Transformers franchise. Sure, they make money, but it's not a style that fits with TV.
What's the scenario here? Iron Man and Star Lord join the Enterprise to blow up Death Star 3.04.0? Or Thor helps the Millennium Falcon do the Kessel Run in 11 parsecs to stop Loki from helping the Borg invade Fraggle Rock?
Two words: assimilated Ultron.
A Life Day Carol!
Senator Palpatine is visited by three Force Ghosts, Young Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader, and Supreme Leader Snoke.
He eventually decides that ruling the galaxy for 20 years is totally worth it.
Though to be fair, it is a shame we never got to see a scene with 7 and Data
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I dislike the motivation but I'm still glad it happened because they (accidentally?) hired a fantastic actress for the role, who went on to smash it right out of the park. Like, I shudder to think what, say, Jolene Blalock would have done with the part….
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I thought Blalock was an excellent T'Pol. Supposedly she's a huge Trek fan and displeased by how the series turned out.
And yes, Seven turned out to be a pretty good character in spite of the motives behind her creation.
She seemed to get "emotionless detachment" confused with "seething contempt" for quite a lot of the first season. But then that seems to be how all the Vulcans rolled in Enterprise so maybe she was doing better than I thought?
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Worf is just the standard thing where parts of a culture that end up broken off or isolated from their source become much more concerned with purity and preservation then the place that culture comes from and end up basing their ideas of what constitutes that culture on a bunch of stereotypes and things seen from a distance.
Other Klingons are just trying to be themselves and get on with their normal lives. Worf is desperately obsessively concerned with being the Ur-Klingon and molds himself around the stereotypical view of what that means.
And often much to his detriment. It was always striking to see his interactions with other Klingons since they weren't so concerned with honor and weren't the humorless wall he always seemed to be. His inability to move beyond Klingon dogma (on a Federation starship no less..) basically got K'Ehleyr murdered and orphaned a son who he would never connect with. Over and over his sense of honor got in the way of just getting shit done, and often ended up with him getting used because the minute you started quoting Kahless, you could pretty much get him to do whatever you wanted.
There's certainly something to be said for standing up for what you believe in, even when it would be extremely convenient not to, but I was always annoyed that the writers couldn't ever let him out of that box.
Yea I actually think that that's what she was going for. Vulcans in Enterprise were very different than the ones from later on, on purpose.
I get why it is that way because hey, a couple of prosthetic pointy ears are probably a hell of a lot cheaper than the makeup required for an Andorian/Tellarite.
But it made just perfect sense. Even in TOS, The Federation had been around...150? years so that's plenty of time for integration of the cultures and a long time of living and working together side by side. But yeah, in the Enterprise era, all that shit is new and you've got bigotry towards aliens and smug, douchebag vulcans and relations are obviously going to be rocky or just outright hostile and the idea of Vulcans and Andorians being enemies just worked out so well.
It's just so ironic that this came from Berman and Braga when many people credit them with ruining Star Trek
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Vulcans are logical and patient, whereas Andorians are impulsive and emotional.
Vulcans are largely scholarly, scientific types whereas Andorians are militaristic.
Vulcans come from a desert planet whereas Andorians come from an ice planet.
They were, largely, not-Vulcans. And while Jeffrey Combs chewed the shit out of the scenery as Shran, I couldn't help but feel that the race was portrayed in a really lazy way.
(I think it also worth noting that from what we've seen, every 'major' species in Trek had a period in their past where they came very close to utterly destroying themselves before getting their stuff together.)
That doesn't make it good.
i'd be real curious what this was for the Q.
for the Klingons, seems like it was last Thursday.
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Now that I think about it, the Q are basically what humanity will become once we have nothing left to explore and are now burning ants with a magnifying glass for fleeting amusement and a temporary break from the boredom of existence. They are our end state.
They had the Eugenics thing in Enterprise, cold war with the Federation in TOS, Praxis in Star Trek 6, assorted leadership issues throughout the entirety of TNG and DS9...
If all this is happening after they got their shit together enough (as a race) to found an interplanetary empire, I'd love to see how fucking nuts they were before that.
An entire race of Kefkas?
I would have taken this over that Confederate-sympathizing Civil War crap any day.
Wasn't that all from Voyager? I'll just pretend it never happened.
Between the Borg and Q, Voyager crapped on everything it touched.