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We are buying our first home (yay!) and moving to the same state as my mother (yay!) - she will be just over an hour away. The challenge is that my husband and I don't want our home to smell like cigarette smoke and don't want smoking anywhere on the property. My mother has been smoking for 40 plus years and has no desire to stop, even though she has received a lot of encouragement to do so over the years (even having kids with pretty severe asthma - me included). She typically smokes outside, but because she smokes so much, she smells like and carries a lot of smoke around her (it's become more intense over the years than the aura that surrounds other smokers - think Pig Pen). When she stayed with us recently, our house smelled like smoke for 3 days after she left. Our new place is a bit into the woods and there are no sidewalks to walk along, so she can't really even go for a walk while she smokes, not to mention having her blow her smoke on our neighbors' property isnt ideal. My husband, who worked on lung cancer drugs for years, is pretty adamant that even going down to the road and smoking at the edge of the property isn't acceptable. We are okay with her smoking e-cigarettes outside. She has one and says it isn't good enough and doesn't hit the spot. What can we do to make her - and not her smoking welcome? Does anyone have any suggestions for e-cigarettes that might "hit the spot" better?
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zepherinRussian warship, go fuck yourselfRegistered Userregular
Is there a reason that going to the edge of the property isn't acceptable?
I generally make any smokers that stay at my house go outside.
She will carry the smoke back inside with her and also, since we are in a forest, my husband is worried about fire. While I think that is at best a remote possibility since she is careful, it doesn't change his stance on it. I really wish she had quit smoking when I first asked her to do so when I was 3. I don't have any hope of her doing so now since she doesn't want to.
No smoking inside is more than reasonable, but no smoking on the property outside, and being concerned about smoke blowing towards you neighbors house(which being a wooded area I assume is more than like 10 feet away), is getting into phobic territory.
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
No smoking inside is more than reasonable, but no smoking on the property outside, and being concerned about smoke blowing towards you neighbors house(which being a wooded area I assume is more than like 10 feet away), is getting into phobic territory.
While this is true, it is also your property and your rules. If you want to tell your mom "don't smoke at my place unless you vape, and then only outside" you can certainly do so and it is not unreasonable.
No smoking inside is more than reasonable, but no smoking on the property outside, and being concerned about smoke blowing towards you neighbors house(which being a wooded area I assume is more than like 10 feet away), is getting into phobic territory.
This.
If I understood it right, her smoking outside and then your house smelling like cigarettes for 3 days after she left, you and your husband must have extremely sensitive olfactory receptors.
I really wish she had quit smoking when I first asked her to do so when I was 3. I don't have any hope of her doing so now since she doesn't want to.
You are right, you cannot get someone to quit smoking unless they want to. My mother was a smoker for 35 years and quit 2 years ago because she wanted to. She got outside help though, just one session of bioresonance therapy did the trick.
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No smoking inside is more than reasonable, but no smoking on the property outside, and being concerned about smoke blowing towards you neighbors house(which being a wooded area I assume is more than like 10 feet away), is getting into phobic territory.
While this is true, it is also your property and your rules. If you want to tell your mom "don't smoke at my place unless you vape, and then only outside" you can certainly do so and it is not unreasonable.
Eh. At a certain point you are saying "You must endure physical and psychological pain if you want to visit us" and engaging in the ultimatum game. Combined with the travel time she would likely be spending more time traveling than visiting with your average smokers addiction if she must literally leave to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
I'm not saying this is wrong, bad or whatever. I'm saying be realistic about the effect of the restrictions you're imposing. You don't get to do this and then complain she never visits. You're choosing a completely smoke free home over your mother visiting. She is also choosing to not break an addiction over being able to visit your home. This absolutely cuts both ways and is the out come of any relationship that devolves into ultimatums.
While finding a vaping product that she likes is a possibility, some smokers just enjoy the actual smoke too much. If I were in your situation, I'd just set up a nice little smoking area for her somewhere near the edge of the property and try to get used to the smell that comes with her. Trying to tolerate our parents' bad habits tends to make life easier in the long run.
If it is nice out when she visits try to limit the amount of time you are all inside. Have drinks/food on the patio, go for walks, etc. That way your house won't smell as bad after she leaves.
Certain cigarettes will carry their smell around on the person in general. Don't let her smoke in the house, make her go outside. Spray with an air freshener when she leaves to help get rid of the smell. Your neighbors aren't going to be close enough to smell her cigarettes though, unless she's right outside their windows.
Heavy smokers of stuff like newports will absolutely make your house stink of cigarette smoke for a day or so. Also, I know this from experience, but don't let her wash her clothes in your washer either, for some reason that sticks around and gets on your clothes for a few days too.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
Thanks for the constructive comments everyone. I'm wondering if she switched her cigarettes, if it would reduce the smell - I don't remember it being as bad as it is until she switched to rolling her own. She says she uses pipe tobacco. Does anyone have any experience with pipe tobacco cigarettes being more potent?
Thanks for the constructive comments everyone. I'm wondering if she switched her cigarettes, if it would reduce the smell - I don't remember it being as bad as it is until she switched to rolling her own. She says she uses pipe tobacco. Does anyone have any experience with pipe tobacco cigarettes being more potent?
Thanks for the constructive comments everyone. I'm wondering if she switched her cigarettes, if it would reduce the smell - I don't remember it being as bad as it is until she switched to rolling her own. She says she uses pipe tobacco. Does anyone have any experience with pipe tobacco cigarettes being more potent?
Ah, now we know why Yeah those definitely do smell more. Hope you find a way to convince her to go back to her old ones or maybe find a more potent vape. I wouldn't waste any time arguing with her about quiting though.
Good luck!
i live in a country with a batshit crazy president and no, english is not my first language
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EncA Fool with CompassionPronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered Userregular
No smoking inside is more than reasonable, but no smoking on the property outside, and being concerned about smoke blowing towards you neighbors house(which being a wooded area I assume is more than like 10 feet away), is getting into phobic territory.
While this is true, it is also your property and your rules. If you want to tell your mom "don't smoke at my place unless you vape, and then only outside" you can certainly do so and it is not unreasonable.
Eh. At a certain point you are saying "You must endure physical and psychological pain if you want to visit us" and engaging in the ultimatum game. Combined with the travel time she would likely be spending more time traveling than visiting with your average smokers addiction if she must literally leave to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
I'm not saying this is wrong, bad or whatever. I'm saying be realistic about the effect of the restrictions you're imposing. You don't get to do this and then complain she never visits. You're choosing a completely smoke free home over your mother visiting. She is also choosing to not break an addiction over being able to visit your home. This absolutely cuts both ways and is the out come of any relationship that devolves into ultimatums.
I agree with the "don't complain if she doesn't visit" piece but the bolded part feels an awful lot like emotional blackmail to justify a disgusting habit. She doesn't have a right to smoke or the moral highground to demand it simply because she made the poor decisions to use tobacco products over her life. Yes there are a range of reasons people smoke and, once started, it is incredibly difficult to quit. But people can control it and do so.
My stepfather and sister are both chain smokers and both have resolved to never smoke in places where my sister's son can see them or smell them. My sister only smokes when out on the job and stepfather only smokes at specific times in specific places each day because of this. It is an adjustment, but one the smoker should make not everyone else around them.
Regarding less smelly alternatives, quality filter cigarettes would be a huge improvement over pipe tobacco. Some brands have special smell-reducing filters, like Marlboro Gold Touch (although it might be a bit mild for your mother if she's used to rolling her own from pipe tobacco).
No smoking inside is more than reasonable, but no smoking on the property outside, and being concerned about smoke blowing towards you neighbors house(which being a wooded area I assume is more than like 10 feet away), is getting into phobic territory.
While this is true, it is also your property and your rules. If you want to tell your mom "don't smoke at my place unless you vape, and then only outside" you can certainly do so and it is not unreasonable.
Eh. At a certain point you are saying "You must endure physical and psychological pain if you want to visit us" and engaging in the ultimatum game. Combined with the travel time she would likely be spending more time traveling than visiting with your average smokers addiction if she must literally leave to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
I'm not saying this is wrong, bad or whatever. I'm saying be realistic about the effect of the restrictions you're imposing. You don't get to do this and then complain she never visits. You're choosing a completely smoke free home over your mother visiting. She is also choosing to not break an addiction over being able to visit your home. This absolutely cuts both ways and is the out come of any relationship that devolves into ultimatums.
I agree with the "don't complain if she doesn't visit" piece but the bolded part feels an awful lot like emotional blackmail to justify a disgusting habit. She doesn't have a right to smoke or the moral highground to demand it simply because she made the poor decisions to use tobacco products over her life. Yes there are a range of reasons people smoke and, once started, it is incredibly difficult to quit. But people can control it and do so.
My stepfather and sister are both chain smokers and both have resolved to never smoke in places where my sister's son can see them or smell them. My sister only smokes when out on the job and stepfather only smokes at specific times in specific places each day because of this. It is an adjustment, but one the smoker should make not everyone else around them.
It's also important to highlight that visiting your children doesn't give you the right to impose your will on them. If they tell you not to smoke, you don't smoke. If this causes you physical or psychological pain, perhaps don't visit them.
not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
No smoking inside is more than reasonable, but no smoking on the property outside, and being concerned about smoke blowing towards you neighbors house(which being a wooded area I assume is more than like 10 feet away), is getting into phobic territory.
While this is true, it is also your property and your rules. If you want to tell your mom "don't smoke at my place unless you vape, and then only outside" you can certainly do so and it is not unreasonable.
Eh. At a certain point you are saying "You must endure physical and psychological pain if you want to visit us" and engaging in the ultimatum game. Combined with the travel time she would likely be spending more time traveling than visiting with your average smokers addiction if she must literally leave to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
I'm not saying this is wrong, bad or whatever. I'm saying be realistic about the effect of the restrictions you're imposing. You don't get to do this and then complain she never visits. You're choosing a completely smoke free home over your mother visiting. She is also choosing to not break an addiction over being able to visit your home. This absolutely cuts both ways and is the out come of any relationship that devolves into ultimatums.
I agree with the "don't complain if she doesn't visit" piece but the bolded part feels an awful lot like emotional blackmail to justify a disgusting habit. She doesn't have a right to smoke or the moral highground to demand it simply because she made the poor decisions to use tobacco products over her life. Yes there are a range of reasons people smoke and, once started, it is incredibly difficult to quit. But people can control it and do so.
My stepfather and sister are both chain smokers and both have resolved to never smoke in places where my sister's son can see them or smell them. My sister only smokes when out on the job and stepfather only smokes at specific times in specific places each day because of this. It is an adjustment, but one the smoker should make not everyone else around them.
Agreed. I smoke and it is on me to not make it a burden on everyone else
The mother here can adhere to the OP's rules.
I would recommend setting up a chair and a butt can somewhere out of the way for her, if so inclined.
No smoking inside is more than reasonable, but no smoking on the property outside, and being concerned about smoke blowing towards you neighbors house(which being a wooded area I assume is more than like 10 feet away), is getting into phobic territory.
While this is true, it is also your property and your rules. If you want to tell your mom "don't smoke at my place unless you vape, and then only outside" you can certainly do so and it is not unreasonable.
Eh. At a certain point you are saying "You must endure physical and psychological pain if you want to visit us" and engaging in the ultimatum game. Combined with the travel time she would likely be spending more time traveling than visiting with your average smokers addiction if she must literally leave to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
I'm not saying this is wrong, bad or whatever. I'm saying be realistic about the effect of the restrictions you're imposing. You don't get to do this and then complain she never visits. You're choosing a completely smoke free home over your mother visiting. She is also choosing to not break an addiction over being able to visit your home. This absolutely cuts both ways and is the out come of any relationship that devolves into ultimatums.
I agree with the "don't complain if she doesn't visit" piece but the bolded part feels an awful lot like emotional blackmail to justify a disgusting habit. She doesn't have a right to smoke or the moral highground to demand it simply because she made the poor decisions to use tobacco products over her life. Yes there are a range of reasons people smoke and, once started, it is incredibly difficult to quit. But people can control it and do so.
My stepfather and sister are both chain smokers and both have resolved to never smoke in places where my sister's son can see them or smell them. My sister only smokes when out on the job and stepfather only smokes at specific times in specific places each day because of this. It is an adjustment, but one the smoker should make not everyone else around them.
Do remember that the sentence is talking about the OP where she expressed concern about her mother smoking anywhere on their property or while walking down her street. I find it a tough argument to make that the mother is being the controlling one there.
With the later details there certainly seems like there is room for compromise on both sides here. (Unfiltered hand rolls with pipe tobacco? UGH.) My point wasn't to argue for one side or the other in excluding someone for their habits but rather to be aware that is what they're doing. We all choose our lines.
Thanks again - it's good to know that it's her new choice of cigarette that is exacerbating the problem. She started rolling her own to save money, so I don't know that she's particularly keen on that kind of tobacco. And while I do appreciate pointing out the impact of the situation on her and am sensitive to it, which is why I created this thread, it's not because I just don't like her habit that this is a concern - I have to use my rescue inhaler four times as much when I'm around her, even when she's not actively smoking.
Again, you make your own choices but I would say "literally makes it so I can't breathe" is a pretty solid basis for a tightly drawn line. I would hope that she would understand an explanation that included that as a reason.
Regardless, best of luck and I hope you figure out someway to work this out.
Depending on the temperature, either a very light, or semi heavy coat, with a flannel-ish fabric might help.
Just she can only wear it when outside smoking, and it hangs up outside before coming in. It could help at least be a shield to absorbing the smoke that attaches to her upon re-entering the house.
I have to use my rescue inhaler four times as much when I'm around her, even when she's not actively smoking.
I wish you had mentioned this in the OP. It would be ideal if she did not smoke at all when she visits but as that's most likely not going to happen, she should stick to the vape at least when she is on your property. She can go back to rolling tobacco at her own house.
i live in a country with a batshit crazy president and no, english is not my first language
Depending on the temperature, either a very light, or semi heavy coat, with a flannel-ish fabric might help.
Just she can only wear it when outside smoking, and it hangs up outside before coming in. It could help at least be a shield to absorbing the smoke that attaches to her upon re-entering the house.
And suddenly I understood why the smoking jacket was invented.
Seconding this suggestion!
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MichaelLCIn what furnace was thy brain?ChicagoRegistered Userregular
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My dad started rolling his own, even was growing the tobacco plants but the gov't seem to have caught wise and begin taxing it more.
He's since switched to a vaporizer and likes it. Buys different fluids and has a fairly small 'rig', not much bigger than an ecig.
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I generally make any smokers that stay at my house go outside.
While this is true, it is also your property and your rules. If you want to tell your mom "don't smoke at my place unless you vape, and then only outside" you can certainly do so and it is not unreasonable.
This.
If I understood it right, her smoking outside and then your house smelling like cigarettes for 3 days after she left, you and your husband must have extremely sensitive olfactory receptors.
You are right, you cannot get someone to quit smoking unless they want to. My mother was a smoker for 35 years and quit 2 years ago because she wanted to. She got outside help though, just one session of bioresonance therapy did the trick.
Eh. At a certain point you are saying "You must endure physical and psychological pain if you want to visit us" and engaging in the ultimatum game. Combined with the travel time she would likely be spending more time traveling than visiting with your average smokers addiction if she must literally leave to avoid withdrawal symptoms.
I'm not saying this is wrong, bad or whatever. I'm saying be realistic about the effect of the restrictions you're imposing. You don't get to do this and then complain she never visits. You're choosing a completely smoke free home over your mother visiting. She is also choosing to not break an addiction over being able to visit your home. This absolutely cuts both ways and is the out come of any relationship that devolves into ultimatums.
You cannot force someone to stop smoking, and trying will not end well, depending on the person.
Worrying about smoke entering a neighbours property is a bit silly. It's also a discussion that won't end well, depending on the person.
Heavy smokers of stuff like newports will absolutely make your house stink of cigarette smoke for a day or so. Also, I know this from experience, but don't let her wash her clothes in your washer either, for some reason that sticks around and gets on your clothes for a few days too.
Yes, it's the worst.
Ah, now we know why Yeah those definitely do smell more. Hope you find a way to convince her to go back to her old ones or maybe find a more potent vape. I wouldn't waste any time arguing with her about quiting though.
Good luck!
I agree with the "don't complain if she doesn't visit" piece but the bolded part feels an awful lot like emotional blackmail to justify a disgusting habit. She doesn't have a right to smoke or the moral highground to demand it simply because she made the poor decisions to use tobacco products over her life. Yes there are a range of reasons people smoke and, once started, it is incredibly difficult to quit. But people can control it and do so.
My stepfather and sister are both chain smokers and both have resolved to never smoke in places where my sister's son can see them or smell them. My sister only smokes when out on the job and stepfather only smokes at specific times in specific places each day because of this. It is an adjustment, but one the smoker should make not everyone else around them.
It's also important to highlight that visiting your children doesn't give you the right to impose your will on them. If they tell you not to smoke, you don't smoke. If this causes you physical or psychological pain, perhaps don't visit them.
Agreed. I smoke and it is on me to not make it a burden on everyone else
The mother here can adhere to the OP's rules.
I would recommend setting up a chair and a butt can somewhere out of the way for her, if so inclined.
We never came up with any good solutions other than febreze.
Do remember that the sentence is talking about the OP where she expressed concern about her mother smoking anywhere on their property or while walking down her street. I find it a tough argument to make that the mother is being the controlling one there.
With the later details there certainly seems like there is room for compromise on both sides here. (Unfiltered hand rolls with pipe tobacco? UGH.) My point wasn't to argue for one side or the other in excluding someone for their habits but rather to be aware that is what they're doing. We all choose our lines.
Regardless, best of luck and I hope you figure out someway to work this out.
Just she can only wear it when outside smoking, and it hangs up outside before coming in. It could help at least be a shield to absorbing the smoke that attaches to her upon re-entering the house.
I wish you had mentioned this in the OP. It would be ideal if she did not smoke at all when she visits but as that's most likely not going to happen, she should stick to the vape at least when she is on your property. She can go back to rolling tobacco at her own house.
And suddenly I understood why the smoking jacket was invented.
Seconding this suggestion!
He's since switched to a vaporizer and likes it. Buys different fluids and has a fairly small 'rig', not much bigger than an ecig.