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In the podcast, the presenter was speaking to Elaine Kamarck of the Brookings Institute, who was arguing that the Republicans in Congress would prevent the truly dangerous actions of Trump (pulling out of NAFTA and NATO etc.), he'd certainly still be a terrible president, just not a dangerous one, in as much as those can be exclusive.
I feel like that's splitting hairs to a degree that's real silly.
He'll just do what the legislature wants, which is uniformly disastrous, not actually push the button that begins armageddon: lame duck!
That's a bullshit belief. The house GOP is fucking crazy, the only thing keeping them in check is Obama, without him god knows what they'd do and believing they'd keep a president Trump in check is evident in zero of their actions.
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Two points:
1) What Republicans in Congress are Elaine Kamarck watching?
2) Trump will sign all of their insane legislation that will make the entire country look like Kansas, at best.
I do get the usefulness of the pledge as indoctrination tool.
But when thought of in that way, it sounds like the people demanding the pledge lack the confidence in their country to be a sort of place that citizens would feel loyal to, and would ear the loyalty of its people.
Is she really a true believer type? I mean, I avoid everything about her but when it comes to 3rd party candidates I'm more inclined to assume dumb grifter then principled moron.
Yup. I've said it many times before, but his supporters seem largely composed of people who will self-edit anything he says to make him into the candidate they want him to be.
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My guess has always been that this is mostly because there's just more overlap between libertarianism and third-party support. They both play on the same special-snowflake "everything is simple and we could easily fix all our problems if people would only listen to me" mentality, so Johnson gets a lot of cachet with the 'both sides are bad' crowd and the libertarians' supposed status as the 'middle path' lets them draw from both sides of the aisle because its a way of rebelling against your own party and looking nonpartisan without having to cross the aisle and legitimize your hated enemy by actually being nonpartisan.
In contrast the green party really only appeals to accelerationists on the far left, which is a much more niche group.
Read The Nib piece I linked above. She definitely falls on the "principled moron" side. (Dear god, "a magic trick called quanative easing"?)
It's partially because the USA is a nation of immigrants. Citizens in a country like France have mostly been French for generations and have a very strong cultural identity. Immigrants to the USA are bringing in a lot of different cultural identities, so the pledge is useful in building up an American identity of "liberty and justice for all" that everybody can theoretically get on board with.
"I'm voting for Donald Trump because of <insert policy you like here>. Finally a candidate who's not a politician and means what he says!"
"What about <insert policy you don't like here>?"
"Oh he's just saying that, he doesn't actually mean it!"
Is totally a thing I see people say on an everyday basis.
As someone from a nation of immigrants, don't kid yourself. This is almost entirely about American Nationalism, especially as it relates to anti-communism.
Teacher would say "Be ready"
And we answer - "Always ready".
Still I kinda don't get American nationalism.
And when he flips on <insert policy you like here>, they tell themselves that he's just saying that to win votes but will actually stick to his original promise.
Damn.
And they better.
(Looking at you, Breyer)
Switch - SW-7373-3669-3011
Fuck Joe Manchin
This is just sadness.
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Still feel like Pence is at least 20% fucking with Donald.
From 2012:
Obama can't win.
That is an excellent answer.
This tweet makes no sense in the context of a running mate and would be very strange from a fanboy
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Low energy. Sad!
Indeed. Also: Republican woman.
I'm surprised people still debate what would happen if Trump wins when the reaction to Brexit gave us all a preview.
As soon as the results hint that it's going Trump's way, the value of the dollar will plummet, wiping trillions off the world markets. As soon as it's confirmed Trump has won, every racist idiot in America will see the result as a validation of everything they believe, and will act accordingly. Hate crime will soar.
Put bluntly, if Trump wins America will start falling apart before your enemies get a chance to reach you.
Nah he's out of job soon he might need to see if his old room is set up
All Clinton needs to do is get a picture of her eating Popeye's next to someone's pickup truck to win all of the internet victory points.
h-has pence ever smiled before? i'm not sure he knows how to do it.
maybe being in such close proximity to trump for this long has made him forget how it goes.
It's no Kasich, but so few are.
at least he's eating it
It's just a little "just folks" snapshot to try to humanize the candidate. Not really that mysterious.
Kasich has not met a foodstuff or an anti-woman policy he didn't like.
The fall of every empire starts from within. Why should America be any different?
This.
The notion that Trump wouldn't be awful because the House/Senate would keep him in check is, to me, insane. He would presumably rubber stamp whatever 'bathroom bill/marriage bill/putting them gays and women and muslims and trans folks in their place bills' they could dream up, and I wouldn't be hopeful of Congress sticking their asses on the line to oppose any shit he tried pulling. If Trump wins the general, I have to imagine the Republicans down ticket would be doing fairly well also, at which point it seems like a clusterfuck all the way down.
Now compound that with instability as the uncertainty of what this goose will do shakes the markets/dollar, and a bunch of racist assholes take it as validation that their beliefs are indeed the correct ones/majority.
I wouldn't quite call it apocalyptic, but I think it would go pretty badly for a lot of people, and spectacularly badly for others. White/Male/Hetero/Cis/Wealthy/Christian (or at least a couple of the above)? Probably not a big deal. But I suspect minorities and women (whom are indeed disadvantaged in many ways, but pedantry, Google says they make up ~50.5% of the US population) would suffer disproportionally.
This would be an AMAZING campaign ad.