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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

  • A Kobold's KoboldA Kobold's Kobold He/Him MississippiRegistered User regular
    edited November 2016
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    I think Fire Emblem: Awakening does some… interesting things with the trope. I like the results, but I know I'm probably wrong on this:

    [Actual spoilers]
    The player avatar is the chosen one… of the dragon that wants to end the world. So you're special — to the evil dickhead that wants the evil dragon's power. There's deffo some goofy stuff with the plot and Validar is pretty one note, but I appreciate a good subversion.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    One of those fallout games tried to bypass this by just having people ask you for help. I remember just leaving the town and going out into the wasteland then mucking about. Why on earth should I fix your nearly impossible problem with the promise of some small reward and a near guarantee of death and hardship? No thanks.

    and then I never continued playing the game because gosh i'm not the fish biting that hook.

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  • navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    It's usually just one person or a small sect that says it though. Maybe they tell everyone that to get 8 free zebra hoofs for dinner.

    The rest of world charges you money for all the mundane crap you'd think they'd give a real chosen one a ferry ride to the final boss for free?

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    Or 5:

    1. A Few Good Men
    2. Hacksaw Ridge
    3. Full Metal Jacket
    4. Saving Private Ryan
    5. Generation Kill

    jungleroomx on
  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/07/16

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    yeah the hacking thing is a good comparison

    literally anyone who works with computers in any capacity professionally finds Hollywood hacking either cutely amusing or infuriating as hell, at the very least it well get their head shaking like "No, no that's not how shit works at all"

    and that's kinda how I feel about bad writing in entertainment media, especially video games, comic books, RPGs, and television as those are literally things I've done professionally so I'm kinda critical about them

  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    mr robot got ur back

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  • OrphaneOrphane rivers of red that run to seaRegistered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    http://www.hackertyper.com

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/07/16

    I knew what comic this was before I clicked it.

    I was not disappointed.

  • navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    I'm not sure many modern tv writers know how to in-universe inform the protagonists without a magical laptop connected, sorry I mean hacked, into every known and imaginary database on Earth.

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Orphane wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    http://www.hackertyper.com

    omg amazing

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    The single worst example of hacking was the Keyboard Double Team on NCIS.

    Just... jesus fucking christ...

  • A Kobold's KoboldA Kobold's Kobold He/Him MississippiRegistered User regular
    *rolls around in my own bad opinions*

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ

    Someone read that PA comic and decided to put it in a TV show.

    jungleroomx on
  • navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    The single worst example of hacking was the Keyboard Double Team on NCIS.

    Just... jesus fucking christ...

    20 finger hack style.

  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    Hey broar I got titanfall 2

    I mean I don't have a PS4 or a tv to play it on yet

    But I got it in anticipation

    bloodyroarxx

    YEEEEEESSSSSSS

  • A Kobold's KoboldA Kobold's Kobold He/Him MississippiRegistered User regular
    I want a show all about how bad it can make its own hacking now.

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  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    Pretty sure "the chosen one" exists as a literary device because there is no way that anyone in the real world would take on that level of hardship and sacrifice unless there was some supernatural force behind it. Absent some external factor that cannot be ignored, every single human on the planet would take whatever power the "hero" is granted and use it to get money and sex right up until the moment the world ended.

    We are not an altruistic species.

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Modern phones are actually a real struggle for a lot of writers, especially for television

    They range from either something that gets forgotten exists at times when normal people would use them for normal shit to magic devices that do super magic

    In bad TV and film writing, cellphones will be forgotten to exist (or will be conveniently somehow out of range or battery) when characters need to:
    - call people
    - text people
    - take or send pictures
    - look up basic ass information on Google

    However, cellphones turn into magic when:
    - A character needs to be located through GPS
    - A phone conversation needs to be listened in on
    - It needs to go off to put a character in danger with the sound of its ringtone
    - A character needs to hack into another device, like a computer

    they're treated as plot devices by hack writers who, more importantly than learning how they work properly, don't want to be arsed with learning how to use them effectively in the plot

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    I want a show all about how bad it can make its own hacking now.
    CSI: Cyber was pretty much this. I think it was cancelled, though.

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  • navgoosenavgoose Registered User regular
    Anybody watch "idle" computers while characters talk?

    Screen of stuff > highlight line > new screen of stuff > highlight line

  • permapensivepermapensive Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    mr robot got ur back

    "hacking" being mostly "tricking people into giving you their shit"

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    mr robot got ur back

    "hacking" being mostly "tricking people into giving you their shit"

    Which is pretty accurate.

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    I want a game where you play the whole thing as the secondary character to the main chosen one hero

    The sidekick

    Nothing changes about the story, the chosen one still saves everyone, you just play the whole game figuring things out for them, supporting them and solving side issues to enable their victory

    Bitching about it the whole way of course

    So It Goes on
  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    My favorite tv hacking was Limitless

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMZJyQ3emHE

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Houn wrote: »
    Pretty sure "the chosen one" exists as a literary device because there is no way that anyone in the real world would take on that level of hardship and sacrifice unless there was some supernatural force behind it. Absent some external factor that cannot be ignored, every single human on the planet would take whatever power the "hero" is granted and use it to get money and sex right up until the moment the world ended.

    We are not an altruistic species.

    golly that's a deeply cynical worldview ya got there

    do you happen to main Reaper by any chance

  • A Kobold's KoboldA Kobold's Kobold He/Him MississippiRegistered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    I want a show all about how bad it can make its own hacking now.
    CSI: Cyber was pretty much this. I think it was cancelled, though.

    But was it aware of its own badness and played to it?

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  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    I want a show all about how bad it can make its own hacking now.
    CSI: Cyber was pretty much this. I think it was cancelled, though.

    But was it aware of its own badness and played to it?

    Oh, sweet summer child.

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    mr robot got ur back

    "hacking" being mostly "tricking people into giving you their shit"

    Which is pretty accurate.
    That's one of the great parts of Wargames. At least in the very beginning, Ferris Bueller uses social engineering to get a password. It all goes to shit by the middle of the movie, of course.

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  • ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    I want a game where you play the whole thing as the secondary character to the main chosen one hero

    The sidekick

    Nothing changes about the story, the chosen one still saves everyone, you just play the whole game figuring things out for them, supporting them and solving side issues to enable their victory

    Bitcoin about the whole way of course

    wasn't that the plot of Oblivion :rotate:

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    mr robot got ur back

    "hacking" being mostly "tricking people into giving you their shit"

    that's basically what real life hacking is tho

    like when your aunt gladys told you she got "hacked" and her credit card was stolen what actually happened is she got phished

    someone sent her an email regarding her "recent eBay transaction" and asked her to send in her credit card info to confirm the purchase wasn't her and she complied, she didn't want someone ripping off her credit card after all!

  • So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    I want a game where you play the whole thing as the secondary character to the main chosen one hero

    The sidekick

    Nothing changes about the story, the chosen one still saves everyone, you just play the whole game figuring things out for them, supporting them and solving side issues to enable their victory

    Bitcoin about the whole way of course

    wasn't that the plot of Oblivion :rotate:

    Idk never played it

  • jungleroomxjungleroomx It's never too many graves, it's always not enough shovels Registered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    mr robot got ur back

    "hacking" being mostly "tricking people into giving you their shit"

    Which is pretty accurate.
    That's one of the great parts of Wargames. At least in the very beginning, Ferris Bueller uses social engineering to get a password. It all goes to shit by the middle of the movie, of course.

    As much as I love the movie Real Genius, the scenes where the guy who lives in the wall is "programming" are hilarious.

    He's typing random shit while the monitor shows a screensaver.

    Just...

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User, Moderator, Administrator admin
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    "YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE" is the laziest fucking writing trope and video game writers in particular need to ease the fuck up on it.

    You know, those things never really bugged me. I've always been someone who enjoyed character interaction more.

    Maybe this explains my unhealthy love of the MCU.

    It bugs the shit out of me but writing is literally like

    something I do for money

    so it's like anything, if you're an accountant and you see people fuckin suck at accounting you're like "oh my god you fucking hacks get your shit together"

    Every time I see "hacking" on television or movies I laugh uncontrollably and it ruins the movie and show for me.

    Every single military movie except for like, 2, get everything fucking wrong.

    mr robot got ur back

    "hacking" being mostly "tricking people into giving you their shit"

    that's basically what real life hacking is tho

    like when your aunt gladys told you she got "hacked" and her credit card was stolen what actually happened is she got phished

    someone sent her an email regarding her "recent eBay transaction" and asked her to send in her credit card info to confirm the purchase wasn't her and she complied, she didn't want someone ripping off her credit card after all!
    Heck, a lot of times, it's just a phone call and doesn't require a computer at all! Except maybe as a keyboard sound effect to make it seem like you are a real tech.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Modern phones are actually a real struggle for a lot of writers, especially for television

    They range from either something that gets forgotten exists at times when normal people would use them for normal shit to magic devices that do super magic

    In bad TV and film writing, cellphones will be forgotten to exist (or will be conveniently somehow out of range or battery) when characters need to:
    - call people
    - text people
    - take or send pictures
    - look up basic ass information on Google

    However, cellphones turn into magic when:
    - A character needs to be located through GPS
    - A phone conversation needs to be listened in on
    - It needs to go off to put a character in danger with the sound of its ringtone
    - A character needs to hack into another device, like a computer

    they're treated as plot devices by hack writers who, more importantly than learning how they work properly, don't want to be arsed with learning how to use them effectively in the plot

    I cannot wait until people who are soon to be in their 20s start watching "classic" movies from before cell phone times.

    just the sheer absurdity of a world without instant connection.

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  • A Kobold's KoboldA Kobold's Kobold He/Him MississippiRegistered User regular
    Hahnsoo1 wrote: »
    I want a show all about how bad it can make its own hacking now.
    CSI: Cyber was pretty much this. I think it was cancelled, though.

    But was it aware of its own badness and played to it?

    Oh, sweet summer child.

    I thought that particular show was just a bunch of old guys trying to figure out what the internet was like these days.

    Or was that Scorpio?

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    also RIP Limitless you deserved a second season.

  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    Modern phones are actually a real struggle for a lot of writers, especially for television

    They range from either something that gets forgotten exists at times when normal people would use them for normal shit to magic devices that do super magic

    In bad TV and film writing, cellphones will be forgotten to exist (or will be conveniently somehow out of range or battery) when characters need to:
    - call people
    - text people
    - take or send pictures
    - look up basic ass information on Google

    However, cellphones turn into magic when:
    - A character needs to be located through GPS
    - A phone conversation needs to be listened in on
    - It needs to go off to put a character in danger with the sound of its ringtone
    - A character needs to hack into another device, like a computer

    they're treated as plot devices by hack writers who, more importantly than learning how they work properly, don't want to be arsed with learning how to use them effectively in the plot

    I cannot wait until people who are soon to be in their 20s start watching "classic" movies from before cell phone times.

    just the sheer absurdity of a world without instant connection.

    dude straight up think of the central conflict from any episode of Friends or Seinfeld

    like the main plot that was driving the episode

    would it have been near-instantly solved by all characters involved having smartphones?

    the answer is yes a shocking number of times

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