Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
So, with Trump opening his new hotel there is an article on CNN about how Donald will often litigate down the assessed value of his properties so that he pays less property tax.
Which I understand, from a business standpoint he is wise to do that. But the preposterous citation from the article comes when his fancy new hotel was assessed at a value of 98 million, and Donald is having his lawyers argue that it should only be assessed at 28 million.
Aren't the stars not actually an award or anything but just a thing you can buy?
You do have to buy them, but I think there are also some qualifiers. It's basically like getting verified status on twitter, but you also pay $10,000 for it or something.
So...it's EXACTLY like verified status on Twitter.
At the very least, that's vandalism. Politically motivated, at that.
If someone spray painted a swastika on Mel Brooks' star, we'd be pretty pissed. Trump is a terrible person, but he hasn't crossed an event threshold that makes doing things that are otherwise illegal and disrespectful ok.
What would be considered crossing this line o'yours.
Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
At the very least, that's vandalism. Politically motivated, at that.
If someone spray painted a swastika on Mel Brooks' star, we'd be pretty pissed. Trump is a terrible person, but he hasn't crossed an event threshold that makes doing things that are otherwise illegal and disrespectful ok.
What would be considered crossing this line o'yours.
Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
I was hoping for specifics on what crosses the line, but I was speaking more towards the destruction of the star. I mean, he's instigated violence against people at his rallies. I just wonder that if that doesn't cross the line, what does?
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At the very least, that's vandalism. Politically motivated, at that.
If someone spray painted a swastika on Mel Brooks' star, we'd be pretty pissed. Trump is a terrible person, but he hasn't crossed an event threshold that makes doing things that are otherwise illegal and disrespectful ok.
What would be considered crossing this line o'yours.
Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
I was hoping for specifics on what crosses the line, but I was speaking more towards the destruction of the star. I mean, he's instigated violence against people at his rallies. I just wonder that if that doesn't cross the line, what does?
When he doesn't accept the results of the election and therefore turns his back on the constitution and our democracy for which it stands, then I'm okay with it. Up until now he's a carnival barker and that's not enough to go burning down his shit.
Defacing the Hollywood star is a horrible act and should not be condoned.
Firstly, it's just inappropriate to do it, as is vandalism in general.
Secondly, and most importantly I feel, is that it gives him and his supporters fuel. It gives them a legitimate act to jump on as an example of the 'violence' inherent in the opposition. Giving them ammo for any reason hurts the overall cause/goal.
Note this is not the same as a peaceful protest such as wearing a duck costume with a sign. This is destruction of property, an actual crime.
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This is just brutish vandalism. Erasure is goosey because we need to remember who NOT to be.
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I guess I'm a bad person. I couldn't care less about a walk of fame star or it's vandalism. Violence against people I care about. Even damage to property I could care about if it wasn't Donald Trump's property (he paid for it). Maybe it's just that this election cycle has worn me out.
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Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
That's really fucking not okay. Damnatio memorae is not something we should be doing.
Oh look! He knows a Latin word!
I don't disagree with you that this dude probably should not have done this, but I disagree that it is not something we should do in principle.
Sometimes there are people in history who create terribleness, and while it is important to remember those people, it is not important to honor them. If you view destroying Trump's star as in the same category as pulling down statues of Stalin (that's a bit hyperbole, but insert whichever analogy you like), then it's not such a terrible thing.
Refusing to bestow honor upon tyrants is not necessarily equal to erasing history.
The only person in American history who earned historical erasure is Benedict Arnold. So unless you have a case that Donald Trump is a traitor, then yes, this went too far.
Sorry, I was away on lunch. But just to clarify:
I was agreeing with you that this went too far and is just vandalism. Dude that did this was being a punk.
I was only disagreeing with you that destroying his star was (or was even trying to be) "historical erasure". That statement is a preposterous exaggeration, IMO. It was just vandalism.
I guess I'm a bad person. I couldn't care less about a walk of fame star or it's vandalism. Violence against people I care about. Even damage to property I could care about if it wasn't Donald Trump's property (he paid for it). Maybe it's just that this election cycle has worn me out.
Rights must be reciprocal or else they're not really rights.
Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Yeah its kind of Rovian in that we took his greatest strength and made it a huge weakness.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Just voted! Not in a real competitive state but whatever.
Also Bill Weld can take a hike. His entire statement boils down to "Hello people who give a shit about the ridiculous Libertarian candidacy because they like to pretend they understand civics: please don't vote for Donald Trump!"
Such a shocking display of statesmanship, god is there somewhere I can go to shake this brave man's hand?
At the very least, that's vandalism. Politically motivated, at that.
If someone spray painted a swastika on Mel Brooks' star, we'd be pretty pissed. Trump is a terrible person, but he hasn't crossed an event threshold that makes doing things that are otherwise illegal and disrespectful ok.
What would be considered crossing this line o'yours.
Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
I was hoping for specifics on what crosses the line, but I was speaking more towards the destruction of the star. I mean, he's instigated violence against people at his rallies. I just wonder that if that doesn't cross the line, what does?
Well, we can start with that it would need to be something that we don't already have laws on the books for. Inciting violence, sexual assault, etc; everything that Trump has been doing/accused of this election is something that we have laws defining appropriate punishments for. We are, after all, a nation of laws. This being what the kerfuffle about Trump's reluctance to state outright that he would respect the results of the election has been about; by law that's what he has to do.
If we're going to throw a fit over him not following the laws of this country, we need to follow them ourselves. Petty vandalism is illegal, and we shouldn't be condoning it.
I guess I'm a bad person. I couldn't care less about a walk of fame star or it's vandalism. Violence against people I care about. Even damage to property I could care about if it wasn't Donald Trump's property (he paid for it). Maybe it's just that this election cycle has worn me out.
Well, the reason I dislike this is that this is the sort of Goosery that makes the dems look bad. Which Trump can use to rally his base. Which can be used to justify actual violence against real people by Trumps supporters. "He was going to tear down a sign and I hit him to prevent vandalism" kind of way.
So not only has this done the opposite of whatever the vandal wanted, but has can backfire way harsher then his initial action.
Non-violence means letting them throw the first punch and not giving them an excuse to do so.
Donald Duck suits? Okay
Act of criminal Vandalism? Not Okay.
The sky was full of stars, every star an exploding ship. One of ours.
Man, sometimes you people are such staunch ideologues. I'm perfectly capable of condoning vandalism and hoping that the perpetrator is brought to justice while gleefully celebrating the destruction of a symbol of hate.
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Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Yeah its kind of Rovian in that we took his greatest strength and made it a huge weakness.
We*?
I'd say the lion's share of damage was done by Trump himself.
Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
I'm nearly certain he's psychologically incapable of regret.
I think if you are going to do this sort of thing, if we're thinking of it as similar as pulling down a tyrant's statues of himself or whatever, then you have to make sure the majority of society is with you.
Like if 90% of people were like "Yes we need to take that down, let's all go do it" then okay.
But you can't just decide that you're the Batman of who gets a star or not.
Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Yeah its kind of Rovian in that we took his greatest strength and made it a huge weakness.
Well?
I'd say the lion's share of damage was done by Trump himself.
It was, but we the people by tying the man to his hateful rhetoric and stop patronizing his businesses are what ultimately cost him.
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I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Yeah its kind of Rovian in that we took his greatest strength and made it a huge weakness.
Well?
I'd say the lion's share of damage was done by Trump himself.
It was, but we the people by tying the man to his hateful rhetoric and stop patronizing his businesses are what ultimately cost him.
I've seen a couple businesses with Trump/Pence signs and have logged them as places I will never do business with.
I didn't have that visceral reaction with Romney or McCain and before that I wasn't "doing business" with anyone so that doesn't really matter.
Trump is causing an economic downturn for his followers too, in my estimation.
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I think if you are going to do this sort of thing, if we're thinking of it as similar as pulling down a tyrant's statues of himself or whatever, then you have to make sure the majority of society is with you.
Like if 90% of people were like "Yes we need to take that down, let's all go do it" then okay.
But you can't just decide that you're the Batman of who gets a star or not.
The star is also a good lesson to teach- just because you're gilded doesn't mean you can't be a loser.
No. Besides the obvious "Benjamin" they look simply overpriced. They're simple, easy to make, and do not contain expensive liquor. If you want a complicated menu I can show you some pictures. And they won't be from bad places either
That being said, a number of them look very interesting. If they taste good I would call that a good menu (I have a penchant for simplicity) and only not very good* because he has a straight old fashioned up there but gives it a fancy name. Also of course the dumb Benjamin.
*There are other complaints I might make regarding the type of drinks on it but not going to bother with explaining. If it had a proper variety it could be considered excellent.
If you want a proper explanation then @ me in the liquor thread
So, for those who don't know, tequila and mescal are the same liquor. Tequila means that it was produced in one of a handful of Mexican states historically tied to the production of the liquor, similar to how only sparkling wine produced in Champagne can use that appellation.
No. The mescal will be smokey and the tequila will not be
Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Savage is going to try to get mothers to have "the Trump talk"
Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Yeah its kind of Rovian in that we took his greatest strength and made it a huge weakness.
Well?
I'd say the lion's share of damage was done by Trump himself.
It was, but we the people by tying the man to his hateful rhetoric and stop patronizing his businesses are what ultimately cost him.
I've seen a couple businesses with Trump/Pence signs and have logged them as places I will never do business with.
I didn't have that visceral reaction with Romney or McCain and before that I wasn't "doing business" with anyone so that doesn't really matter.
Trump is causing an economic downturn for his followers too, in my estimation.
I'd do the same, but I don't see any Trump/Pence in my corner of the world. We get Gary Johnson stuff.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
I guess I'm a bad person. I couldn't care less about a walk of fame star or it's vandalism. Violence against people I care about. Even damage to property I could care about if it wasn't Donald Trump's property (he paid for it). Maybe it's just that this election cycle has worn me out.
Rights must be reciprocal or else they're not really rights.
They guy who did it got arrested, which is what I expect. No one is withholding Donald Trump's rights, come on now.
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I guess I'm a bad person. I couldn't care less about a walk of fame star or it's vandalism. Violence against people I care about. Even damage to property I could care about if it wasn't Donald Trump's property (he paid for it). Maybe it's just that this election cycle has worn me out.
Rights must be reciprocal or else they're not really rights.
So Donald gets to break something with that guy's name on it? I'm confused at what rights are involved here.
Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed Wednesday morning by a man purporting to be a construction worker. Trump's name and the TV logo once emblazoned on the star are no longer visible.
man
i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Yeah its kind of Rovian in that we took his greatest strength and made it a huge weakness.
Well?
I'd say the lion's share of damage was done by Trump himself.
It was, but we the people by tying the man to his hateful rhetoric and stop patronizing his businesses are what ultimately cost him.
I've seen a couple businesses with Trump/Pence signs and have logged them as places I will never do business with.
I didn't have that visceral reaction with Romney or McCain and before that I wasn't "doing business" with anyone so that doesn't really matter.
Trump is causing an economic downturn for his followers too, in my estimation.
I'd do the same, but I don't see any Trump/Pence in my corner of the world. We get Gary Johnson stuff.
Come up to Shoreline. We have some Trump yard signs around. Not many, but if a yard is going to have a Trump sign, they're actually going to have 3-6.
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For the record, if Hillary had a star on the walk of fame and it got vandalized, I'd be basically indifferent to it. It has a lot to do with the specific thing that was vandalized. If someone took a spray can and X'd out a bunch of Trump campaign signs or Clinton campaign signs or even both, I'd be a lot more annoyed at that than a walk of fame star.
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I'm now less concerned that Trump might win (knock on wood, etc.) but that he'll get more electoral votes than McCain did in 2008 and thus still be held up as an example of where the GOP should be going, rather than being Goldwatered out of existence.
All I see in this thread is people implying that Clinton will definitively win. With their "Will Trump accept the results of the election?" and "Clinton will draw the line with this guy when president." All I see is polling that is still dangerously close and millions of people who are still supporting/voting for Trump. Despite all the talk of "no ground game", alienating the republican base, and gaffes coming out of every orifice (alright, mostly one orifice), Trump still has at least 40% of the vote. That is likely at least 50,000,000 million people voting for Trump.
Not to sink the SS High Spirits.
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At the very least, that's vandalism. Politically motivated, at that.
If someone spray painted a swastika on Mel Brooks' star, we'd be pretty pissed. Trump is a terrible person, but he hasn't crossed an event threshold that makes doing things that are otherwise illegal and disrespectful ok.
What would be considered crossing this line o'yours.
Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
I was hoping for specifics on what crosses the line, but I was speaking more towards the destruction of the star. I mean, he's instigated violence against people at his rallies. I just wonder that if that doesn't cross the line, what does?
Well, we can start with that it would need to be something that we don't already have laws on the books for. Inciting violence, sexual assault, etc; everything that Trump has been doing/accused of this election is something that we have laws defining appropriate punishments for. We are, after all, a nation of laws. This being what the kerfuffle about Trump's reluctance to state outright that he would respect the results of the election has been about; by law that's what he has to do.
If we're going to throw a fit over him not following the laws of this country, we need to follow them ourselves. Petty vandalism is illegal, and we shouldn't be condoning it.
And yet where is that response for incitement of violence, or active threats? If the worst "our side" is doing is vandalizing a stupid fucking piece of concrete against their active violence and assault I'm cool with that exchange. Sorry, I'm certainly not as refined as some of you ladies and gents. You can be the better man, I absolutely respect that...but I'm okay with moments of slipping from that sentiment.
At the very least, that's vandalism. Politically motivated, at that.
If someone spray painted a swastika on Mel Brooks' star, we'd be pretty pissed. Trump is a terrible person, but he hasn't crossed an event threshold that makes doing things that are otherwise illegal and disrespectful ok.
What would be considered crossing this line o'yours.
Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
I was hoping for specifics on what crosses the line, but I was speaking more towards the destruction of the star. I mean, he's instigated violence against people at his rallies. I just wonder that if that doesn't cross the line, what does?
Well, we can start with that it would need to be something that we don't already have laws on the books for. Inciting violence, sexual assault, etc; everything that Trump has been doing/accused of this election is something that we have laws defining appropriate punishments for. We are, after all, a nation of laws. This being what the kerfuffle about Trump's reluctance to state outright that he would respect the results of the election has been about; by law that's what he has to do.
If we're going to throw a fit over him not following the laws of this country, we need to follow them ourselves. Petty vandalism is illegal, and we shouldn't be condoning it.
And yet where is that response for incitement of violence, or active threats?
...
Are you suggesting that people in this thread have condoned people getting attacked at his rallies rather than lividly opposing it?
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At the very least, that's vandalism. Politically motivated, at that.
If someone spray painted a swastika on Mel Brooks' star, we'd be pretty pissed. Trump is a terrible person, but he hasn't crossed an event threshold that makes doing things that are otherwise illegal and disrespectful ok.
What would be considered crossing this line o'yours.
Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
I was hoping for specifics on what crosses the line, but I was speaking more towards the destruction of the star. I mean, he's instigated violence against people at his rallies. I just wonder that if that doesn't cross the line, what does?
Is it illegal? Yes.
It's it unethical? Sure.
Do I condone it? No.
Do I feel the slightest bit bad about it? Lolnope.
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At the very least, that's vandalism. Politically motivated, at that.
If someone spray painted a swastika on Mel Brooks' star, we'd be pretty pissed. Trump is a terrible person, but he hasn't crossed an event threshold that makes doing things that are otherwise illegal and disrespectful ok.
What would be considered crossing this line o'yours.
Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
I was hoping for specifics on what crosses the line, but I was speaking more towards the destruction of the star. I mean, he's instigated violence against people at his rallies. I just wonder that if that doesn't cross the line, what does?
Is it illegal? Yes.
It's it unethical? Sure.
Do I condone it? No.
Do I feel the slightest bit bad about it? Lolnope.
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i'm wondering if he's regretting this run yet
it... has not done him any favors, i think
Which I understand, from a business standpoint he is wise to do that. But the preposterous citation from the article comes when his fancy new hotel was assessed at a value of 98 million, and Donald is having his lawyers argue that it should only be assessed at 28 million.
So...it's EXACTLY like verified status on Twitter.
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Enough to tear up everything with his name on it? Substantially more than we've seen to this point. Even the thing about not accepting the results that had so many people running for their fainting couches isn't enough to warrant illegal destruction as a political statement.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
I was hoping for specifics on what crosses the line, but I was speaking more towards the destruction of the star. I mean, he's instigated violence against people at his rallies. I just wonder that if that doesn't cross the line, what does?
When he doesn't accept the results of the election and therefore turns his back on the constitution and our democracy for which it stands, then I'm okay with it. Up until now he's a carnival barker and that's not enough to go burning down his shit.
Firstly, it's just inappropriate to do it, as is vandalism in general.
Secondly, and most importantly I feel, is that it gives him and his supporters fuel. It gives them a legitimate act to jump on as an example of the 'violence' inherent in the opposition. Giving them ammo for any reason hurts the overall cause/goal.
Note this is not the same as a peaceful protest such as wearing a duck costume with a sign. This is destruction of property, an actual crime.
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Sorry, I was away on lunch. But just to clarify:
I was agreeing with you that this went too far and is just vandalism. Dude that did this was being a punk.
I was only disagreeing with you that destroying his star was (or was even trying to be) "historical erasure". That statement is a preposterous exaggeration, IMO. It was just vandalism.
Rights must be reciprocal or else they're not really rights.
His hotels won't even have his name on em anymore after this! It's great!
That video from Jon Oliver earlier this year about calling him Drumpf has proven to be inaccurate. It's good that we kept calling him trump, because with his inevitable humiliating defeat the trump name is as good as worthless.
Yeah its kind of Rovian in that we took his greatest strength and made it a huge weakness.
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Also Bill Weld can take a hike. His entire statement boils down to "Hello people who give a shit about the ridiculous Libertarian candidacy because they like to pretend they understand civics: please don't vote for Donald Trump!"
Such a shocking display of statesmanship, god is there somewhere I can go to shake this brave man's hand?
Fucking Libertarians.
Well, we can start with that it would need to be something that we don't already have laws on the books for. Inciting violence, sexual assault, etc; everything that Trump has been doing/accused of this election is something that we have laws defining appropriate punishments for. We are, after all, a nation of laws. This being what the kerfuffle about Trump's reluctance to state outright that he would respect the results of the election has been about; by law that's what he has to do.
If we're going to throw a fit over him not following the laws of this country, we need to follow them ourselves. Petty vandalism is illegal, and we shouldn't be condoning it.
They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
Well, the reason I dislike this is that this is the sort of Goosery that makes the dems look bad. Which Trump can use to rally his base. Which can be used to justify actual violence against real people by Trumps supporters. "He was going to tear down a sign and I hit him to prevent vandalism" kind of way.
So not only has this done the opposite of whatever the vandal wanted, but has can backfire way harsher then his initial action.
Non-violence means letting them throw the first punch and not giving them an excuse to do so.
Donald Duck suits? Okay
Act of criminal Vandalism? Not Okay.
We*?
I'd say the lion's share of damage was done by Trump himself.
*stupid phone
I think if you are going to do this sort of thing, if we're thinking of it as similar as pulling down a tyrant's statues of himself or whatever, then you have to make sure the majority of society is with you.
Like if 90% of people were like "Yes we need to take that down, let's all go do it" then okay.
But you can't just decide that you're the Batman of who gets a star or not.
It was, but we the people by tying the man to his hateful rhetoric and stop patronizing his businesses are what ultimately cost him.
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I've seen a couple businesses with Trump/Pence signs and have logged them as places I will never do business with.
I didn't have that visceral reaction with Romney or McCain and before that I wasn't "doing business" with anyone so that doesn't really matter.
Trump is causing an economic downturn for his followers too, in my estimation.
The star is also a good lesson to teach- just because you're gilded doesn't mean you can't be a loser.
That being said, a number of them look very interesting. If they taste good I would call that a good menu (I have a penchant for simplicity) and only not very good* because he has a straight old fashioned up there but gives it a fancy name. Also of course the dumb Benjamin.
*There are other complaints I might make regarding the type of drinks on it but not going to bother with explaining. If it had a proper variety it could be considered excellent.
If you want a proper explanation then @ me in the liquor thread
No. The mescal will be smokey and the tequila will not be
Savage is going to try to get mothers to have "the Trump talk"
I'd do the same, but I don't see any Trump/Pence in my corner of the world. We get Gary Johnson stuff.
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I laughed.
They guy who did it got arrested, which is what I expect. No one is withholding Donald Trump's rights, come on now.
On my sleeve, let the runway start
Come up to Shoreline. We have some Trump yard signs around. Not many, but if a yard is going to have a Trump sign, they're actually going to have 3-6.
On my sleeve, let the runway start
Not to sink the SS High Spirits.
And yet where is that response for incitement of violence, or active threats? If the worst "our side" is doing is vandalizing a stupid fucking piece of concrete against their active violence and assault I'm cool with that exchange. Sorry, I'm certainly not as refined as some of you ladies and gents. You can be the better man, I absolutely respect that...but I'm okay with moments of slipping from that sentiment.
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Are you suggesting that people in this thread have condoned people getting attacked at his rallies rather than lividly opposing it?
Is it illegal? Yes.
It's it unethical? Sure.
Do I condone it? No.
Do I feel the slightest bit bad about it? Lolnope.