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Spot on analysis tonight.
100 percent sincere, you being the voice of reason Softened the blow a lot.
They know what they did.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/navy-ships/a22433/china-first-homebuilt-aircraft-carrier/
China's already been building up various multinational institutions to rival American ones, like the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, and spent billions in foreign aid to African, South Asian, and Central/South American nations. Their ambition is quite clear. If Trump follows through on withdrawing the US's global presence, China will gladly fill in the spaces left behind.
Our best hope at this point is that Trump simply doesn't care enough about this shit that his cronies mostly end up running the foreign policy show while managing him like the petulant child that he is.
We are literally at the point where the GWB administration or the Nixon administration is our best case scenario.
Exactly! Trump will be fine, whatever. But the kinds of hate he has brought out in huge swathes of people over the last year.
It's terrifying.
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I know a guy. Hes a bit of a goofball, super nice though. One of the smartest and well-rounded guys I know. I've know him since high school, and used to play D&D and other RPG's with him on a weekly basis. He got into politics campaigning for Bernie, and when he discoverd his local state representative was running unopposed, he ran against them. Dispite having no political experience and no financing. It was pretty was a protest campaign against a do-nothing republican majority.
I just called him to wish him congratulations on winning.
I don't drink but I am about to eat half a pan of chocolate chip cookies to prepare for our shared 4 year waking nightmare.
Even putting aside his politics, Trump has had more scandals than have been necessary to bring down entire governments. Bill Clinton was tarred for life for a single thing like Trump has had dozens. He's a worthless bag of shit, a known sexual predator, a harrasser, and as could be seen in the debates, visibly an idiot. Even if you're Republican, how do you vote for something like that?
I have more fear of what a R house and senate with a R presidential stamp will be capable of passing than what Trump individually will do.
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We're a long way from fine. Allies of 60 years are panicking. The markets are panicking. We have no idea wherethis ends.
turns out, white people suck i guess.
i don't really think we'll know more than that for months.
I have no idea why this election is hitting me so hard. Maybe because I was too young during Bush 2 elections (20 and 24, respectively) and I was on the "winning" side with Obama. Maybe I'm older and wiser. Maybe living in another country makes you see what the country is doing to itself. Maybe I'm just over-reacting.
Fuck it. If my country doesn't want to make itself better, I'll just make myself better. Deleting Facebook, all that jazz.
Thanks Obama, but rather then exiting gracefully you are getting thrown out the door like a black man at the wrong lunch counter. It seems that moment is not one america has actually moved beyond in any meaningful sense.
Possibly one of the best people, like a a person, to sit in the Oval Office. And certainly the best politician, as a person, I can think of in american politics. And this is what America has done to him.
I feel like a need a stiff drink already. Christ.
You have a good reason to worry, as Brexit showed us.
How could we get Brexit and President Trump in the same year? WTF 2016.
You vote as a "fuck you" to the government, targeting the most visible spot, the guy who you approve of and like to dismantle everything he's done, while reelecting all the people you profess to hate and want to get rid of.
You vote for hate. Not for truth. Not for integrity. Not for compassion. Just for anger, hate, and the misplaced hope that all the most horrible things about him that he says he'll do, he can't actually do, while all the worst fears you have about his opponent, that nobody can get a shred of proof that they're true, are pure evil.
I think there is a strong chance the congress and senate republicans decide the best plan is...
1) Oppose any non perfect legislation, allowing democrats to block it
2) Blame democrats for not being able to do any work
3) Overload trump with work to the point he just wanders off to play golf, leaving your standard evil republican in charge
4) Fuck up the supreme court
5) Not really do anything else and hope for the best
I really don't think they want to DO anything, and I don't think Donald Trump really wants to be President once he realizes the amount of work it is.
My only consolation is the thoughts that that Teump will fail at everything he promised and his supporters will turn on him and eat him alive.
Who knows, in two years we could be the midterm upset.
Our only real hope is that the few non-alt right Republicans find their fucking spines (we do still have some, right or did the alt-right eat them all?) and rally behind the democrats to shut down the most egregiousness shit. I have little hope in this regards, but would welcome being proven wrong. We muddle through 2 years of Trumps idiocy and those that can still vote in 2018, decide that Trump's party has to go and 2018 is a wave for democrats. Given Trump's personality, we might just have a legitimate thing to remove from office on. I don't think it's far fetch because all the clowns that voted for him are going to get fucked; hopefully, a decent number of them will decide it's not working.
Like I knew we were do for a realignment, but this is not how the human race needed it to go down. A gradual decline of the US would have been preferable, I'm a realist, we we're going to be top dog forever. Ideally, others would be forced to have to adopt the best principles we had in order to compete and come up with better options for a shitty principles. Now it's a wide open field and this is the worst setup, since the worst actors will have a shot at being global top dog and we have nukes (no one wins a nuclear exchange). I don't see China being next because of how closely tied everything is, once the US economy tanks, everyone's economy tanks. There are also a bunch of places that are on the edge of massive social unrest and a major financial meltdown is likely to set a ton of that off (China being a great example).
Edit: Viskod also reminded why the 2018 midterm might not be so bleak. Once Trump starts failing, the right is going to eat their own since they can no longer blame democrats for keeping things from getting done. I figure some of the last awful republicans will decide if they're going to go down, they'll take the alt right with them; especially, if they feel that alt-right will really fuck them over if it still has a sizable amount of power.
bush was a kinda clueless neocon who let his asshole cronies drive the country into the ground. but it was at least within the vaguely normal parameters of modern government.
what trump has promised is something we have never seen in the modern era. and he's got all 3 branches of government to do it with.
Also a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula.
this is the part that really scares me too
like, Trump+republican congress will suck out loud in a wide variety of ways but we'll muddle through. But this will definitely lead to a more muscular-acting Russia and immediately put an end to any tentative progress we might be making in the middle east. Either Iraq will move fully into Iranian influence or we'll have a shooting war with them over it (shit, maybe both.)
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
It turns out, the old fashioned approach of political campaigns as featuring policy was boring, and beaten by sound bites. And now, it turns out, those don't actually have to be true, and it's usually to your advantage that they not be. Simply lying with confidence will get you there.
Right now, one of the things that I'm wondering is "will the Republicans try to lock up Hillary?"
Because basically none of them pushed back about that. And it's one of the the talking points used on the base. With full control of the federal government, what's stopping them?
I would legitimately feel better if Trump had a Cheney. You don't have to like Cheney, but the man was smart and consistent.
That's been my night. The line "Oregon won't let him do any of what he wants to us or the people here" didn't work so well. But nyquil did.
Now I can't sleep though. Hope of owning a house, especially here in super expenso-ville? Yeah, that's pretty well fucked unless he does to real estate here what he's already doing to the global economy and our savings.
Clinton chose to strong-arm her way to the nomination after losing to Obama and knowing her unfavorables.
Sanders decided to keep fanning anti-establishment flames long after it was clear it would be Trump vs Clinton
Third-party voters, Vichy Republicans and young voters decided to let other people do the voting to defeat him.
The media played the "both sides are the same" card so often it became ubiquitous
Everyone faced a collective action problem and failed miserably because their immediate self-interest was irresistible and surely it can't happen here
It's not just laws either. The entire judicial branch is done for now. For, like, a generation. From SCOTUS all the way down they will almost certainly fill every vacancy they can. Federal staffing to in every place they can get their hands on.
The american government is seriously fucked right now and it's not gonna be something you can unfuck any time in the next several decades.