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i hesitate to even invite my associates to social stuff, because i do not want them to feel pressured to please their manager. i judge them based on their performance at work. they can show traces of leadership qualities on the worksite; i don't need an extracurricular hangout session to be a judge of character. the person i just promoted has never hung out with me outside of work- in fact, i don't think they care for me very much. but they've never made me feel uncomfortable or scorned, and i think they'll be good at the job.
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I am never going to be able to make a new chat, am I...
I suppose I don't really have a theme for one. But I'd like to get the chance to flail around and put one together!
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Maybe I need to more actively spam the last few chat pages
Although I'm also sort of intimidated by the prospect of making an OP. I think it's probably my duty to make the new G&T LoL thread once the old one dies, since I'm among the few people still enthused about posting there, but it's weirdly scary so I haven't done so the few times there has been the opportunity.
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i hesitate to even invite my associates to social stuff, because i do not want them to feel pressured to please their manager. i judge them based on their performance at work. they can show traces of leadership qualities on the worksite; i don't need an extracurricular hangout session to be a judge of character. the person i just promoted has never hung out with me outside of work- in fact, i don't think they care for me very much. but they've never made me feel uncomfortable or scorned, and i think they'll be good at the job.
Besides, they want Taco Bell tacos anyway, so they are unworthy of your presence and love.
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syndalisGetting ClassyOn the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Products, Transition Teamregular
If you're making me come to something or else I can't get promoted, that's work.
If you're saying going is good because it helps with teambuilding and getting different parts of the organization to chat, that's still work.
What if I show up and drink alone in the corner for a half hour and then go home, does that count? The point is to be social with others and build the team. That's definitely work. It's fine to have these events but if you're passing me over for a promotion despite being awesome at my job, that sucks! Especially if the reasoning is that we do these team building events, so because you don't go to them I can't hire you because you wouldn't be able to plan them. Except if the job requires that it should be paid or done during work time.
Well we want this person to get along with the team! Okay, that's what interviews are for. And team building exercises during work. I hate when people give me the side eye for not going to "optional" things because I was told they were optional
Jobs want you to go all in and be invested in the company, while at the same time knowing that at anytime they can fire you without cause just because they wanted to.
I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.
at my last job they once had the big employee holiday party as going to the movies (at the nice theatre with food included at least)
but it was during work hours and they weren't going to pay us
so everyone stayed at work while the salaried fucks went off to play
jokes on them, none of us did any work that day
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fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
I had a big post on work happy hours eaten but the thread closing.
TLDR:
1) I do them at a limited amount
2) I would not consider not going a negative check if they match the needs of the promotion through actions in the workplace.
Also I think this will be 0/3 for work Holiday parties. Would cost me $75 for Mazzxx to come. And its near the airport not near me. And just a total pain in all ways to get to.
One of my team members never goes out to post-work happy hour and never goes to lunch with us. She has skipped all but one "director is in town, everyone go have dinner and drink for free" events, and didn't do any of the post-work team building stuff (cooking class, go-kart racing) that we did during the annual north American IT meeting week.
This is fine, she does good work.
If I get promoted and need to hire my replacement, I won't consider her in part because of this.
What is your rationale?
I have to be honest. I kind of frown upon coworkers that totally avoid any and all social gatherings with coworkers. Especially if I know it's because you just don't want to be anywhere near these people after work. A good friend of mine at this job is like that. It's been noticed and people have made comments about her complete absence at these events. She doesn't have a life situation that prevents her from coming, she just doesn't want to.
Maybe that's completely unfair of me but I dunno I kind of agree with the criticism. Socializing with your coworkers now and again makes for a healthy office.
I simply don't want to.
I skipped some summer company event to go to a nationals game because I am not interested in spending time with most of my coworkers outside of work (and the one bro I do want to hang out with, I already do). I don't live with my husband so every available moment I have on the weekend I'm going to spend with him, not doing something super boring with gross food in the name of company bonding.
And even if we did live together, I would rather spend the time doing something I enjoy or hanging out with friends rather than making smalltalk with people I already see every weekday.
This does not make me a worse employee.
I understand. And as and extrovert I have to admit I have some social biases.
At the same time, I do think that if management is trying to cultivate a culture and a particular worker refuses to even remotely engage - like just never does - I guess I can understand why that may factor into future decisions about that worker.
I'm not sure this is right or fair. I'm just being honest about how I currently think about it. It's kind of like if you have a group of friends abs one friend always flakes out, eventually you stop inviting that friend out. Completely different social dynamic and I understand and even agree that it may not be fair to put that expectation on a work colleague or subordinate but...we're all human. I'm no manager but I guess I would rather staff my office with people who were socially cohesive than otherwise. If it were an "arbitrary" decision between promoting one of two people with similar skill sets and work ethics, and never showed up for anything social, my biases would probably push me toward the more social one, in all honesty.
I dunno, it's complex and I understand why this thought process might frustrate some people.
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Rear Admiral ChocoI wanna be an owl, Jerry!Owl York CityRegistered Userregular
I have no problem with workplace social events
I think it's silly to think of passing someone who never comes to them up for promotion as judging them as a worse employee
All other things being equal, if you were running the show would you not go sooner to the employees who more readily come along to whatever events are being hosted?
At the end of the day you're showing a little more favour to those who show a little more favour your way
One of my team members never goes out to post-work happy hour and never goes to lunch with us. She has skipped all but one "director is in town, everyone go have dinner and drink for free" events, and didn't do any of the post-work team building stuff (cooking class, go-kart racing) that we did during the annual north American IT meeting week.
This is fine, she does good work.
If I get promoted and need to hire my replacement, I won't consider her in part because of this.
Please demonstrate how you reached this conclusion
Sure:
Firstly, note the "in part".
Secondly, participation in the occasional after-work activity or taking people out to lunch now and again is part of how we build a team that is comfortable working across the departmental lines, and the geographic lines, that tend to cause silo problems. We get to know each other as people and it makes communication better. Particularly when we have a pre-planned and scheduled "activity" during a week of no work, team-building only, participation isn't mandatory for the staff but as a manager it's expected that we set the example.
I don't make every after-work function by any means, but I do occasionally. I organize one every so often as well. Someone who isn't willing to participate at all, either in the ad-hoc or the scheduled team-oriented activities, can't be expected to lead them. Since she isn't willing, it's a mark against considering her.
In the specific case there are other reasons right now, and maybe those will go away in the future - she's only been on my team 4 months so far and technically she's entirely sound. Who knows how she'll be as a team member in a couple of years, assuming she stays around. By the time I actually do have a shot at a promotion, the situation might well be completely different, but if I had to do it today, that's my reasoning.
The idea of even semi-implied mandatory after work social events would probably be enough to get me to not want to work some place. I can build team work through working with someone, I don't need to go-kart or go-drinking to do it. And after spending 8+ hours a workday with them I'd much rather spend time with my wife and family and dog or even occasionally friends. If that's a subtext at my work that I'm missing, it doesn't seem to be a strong consideration since I have to regularly reiterate no interest in management roles and the people who do the most of those types of thing (ultimate league, softball league, flag football, art classes, golf tournament etc) tend to be very much not on a fast track.
Company volunteering where you do something for charity or company events is another story, but that's a networking thing.
SniperGuy]Do you see that asking me to participate in team building activities outside of work for no pay is kind of shitty?
I don't want to work somewhere where a "positive atmosphere" requires unpaid work outside of normal work hours. That's basically unpaid overtime!
1) it's not work, and more often than not it's paid for. and 2) no one is asking you to go out drinking every night. Most companies do something like this once a month or once a quarter.
It is work. If me being required to be in an office while shitposting instead of on my couch is work, then having to be in a restaurant or bar instead of on my couch is work. Anything that requires me to be physically or mentally attendant to anything other than what I would otherwise choose? Work.
Being on-call, even if the phone never rings? Work.
"It's not work, it's just a thing you have to go do with your coworkers that you could opt out of with some degree of career consequences" dogg that is work!
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I suppose I don't really have a theme for one. But I'd like to get the chance to flail around and put one together!
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Burgssssssss.....
That seems entirely too reasonably priced for a small castle.
I want it.
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And then the back up will steal it from you.
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I'm as far from the US as I can reasonably be without going off grid while also still living in Canada.
So the radiation from the nuke that takes out Seattle will be pretty minor by the time it gets here.
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Maybe I need to more actively spam the last few chat pages
Although I'm also sort of intimidated by the prospect of making an OP. I think it's probably my duty to make the new G&T LoL thread once the old one dies, since I'm among the few people still enthused about posting there, but it's weirdly scary so I haven't done so the few times there has been the opportunity.
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Just that, maybe there's tons of reasons she's not forthcoming with it.
It's 100% legit okay not to want to hang out.
Just hoping spool doesn't fuck over someone who might be the best fit because they don't like to be part of the "guys club".
I vote for coughing up blood
The consulting business is similar.
Free tickets to sporting events, booze, restaurants etc.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
Of course, it may not matter because even if the us economy has a little ripple, it may as well be a tidal wave for Canada.......
But not when i'm on my phone
If you're saying going is good because it helps with teambuilding and getting different parts of the organization to chat, that's still work.
What if I show up and drink alone in the corner for a half hour and then go home, does that count? The point is to be social with others and build the team. That's definitely work. It's fine to have these events but if you're passing me over for a promotion despite being awesome at my job, that sucks! Especially if the reasoning is that we do these team building events, so because you don't go to them I can't hire you because you wouldn't be able to plan them. Except if the job requires that it should be paid or done during work time.
Well we want this person to get along with the team! Okay, that's what interviews are for. And team building exercises during work. I hate when people give me the side eye for not going to "optional" things because I was told they were optional
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I'd love it if you took a look at my art and my PATREON!
down with the wage system.
but it was during work hours and they weren't going to pay us
so everyone stayed at work while the salaried fucks went off to play
jokes on them, none of us did any work that day
fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
TLDR:
1) I do them at a limited amount
2) I would not consider not going a negative check if they match the needs of the promotion through actions in the workplace.
Also I think this will be 0/3 for work Holiday parties. Would cost me $75 for Mazzxx to come. And its near the airport not near me. And just a total pain in all ways to get to.
I understand. And as and extrovert I have to admit I have some social biases.
At the same time, I do think that if management is trying to cultivate a culture and a particular worker refuses to even remotely engage - like just never does - I guess I can understand why that may factor into future decisions about that worker.
I'm not sure this is right or fair. I'm just being honest about how I currently think about it. It's kind of like if you have a group of friends abs one friend always flakes out, eventually you stop inviting that friend out. Completely different social dynamic and I understand and even agree that it may not be fair to put that expectation on a work colleague or subordinate but...we're all human. I'm no manager but I guess I would rather staff my office with people who were socially cohesive than otherwise. If it were an "arbitrary" decision between promoting one of two people with similar skill sets and work ethics, and never showed up for anything social, my biases would probably push me toward the more social one, in all honesty.
I dunno, it's complex and I understand why this thought process might frustrate some people.
I think it's silly to think of passing someone who never comes to them up for promotion as judging them as a worse employee
All other things being equal, if you were running the show would you not go sooner to the employees who more readily come along to whatever events are being hosted?
At the end of the day you're showing a little more favour to those who show a little more favour your way
The idea of even semi-implied mandatory after work social events would probably be enough to get me to not want to work some place. I can build team work through working with someone, I don't need to go-kart or go-drinking to do it. And after spending 8+ hours a workday with them I'd much rather spend time with my wife and family and dog or even occasionally friends. If that's a subtext at my work that I'm missing, it doesn't seem to be a strong consideration since I have to regularly reiterate no interest in management roles and the people who do the most of those types of thing (ultimate league, softball league, flag football, art classes, golf tournament etc) tend to be very much not on a fast track.
Company volunteering where you do something for charity or company events is another story, but that's a networking thing.
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It is work. If me being required to be in an office while shitposting instead of on my couch is work, then having to be in a restaurant or bar instead of on my couch is work. Anything that requires me to be physically or mentally attendant to anything other than what I would otherwise choose? Work.
Being on-call, even if the phone never rings? Work.
"It's not work, it's just a thing you have to go do with your coworkers that you could opt out of with some degree of career consequences" dogg that is work!