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Organize, Energize, Mobilize (Progressive Political Activism in Trump's America)

LoisLaneLoisLane Registered User regular
edited November 2016 in Debate and/or Discourse
We lost.

Trump will be our 45th president and is set to rollback the many hard-fought political wins that the left have gained over the last decade. So what can you do? This is what this thread is about.

1. Organize.
a. Look around at the volunteering organizations in your town/county/state. They don't even have to be political as there is going to be a need for charity organizations as the social safety net is undone.

b. Donate when you can and where you can. Talk your friends into donating. Support causes that are going to be the most imperiled under the new administration.

ACLU- https://action.aclu.org/donate-aclu?ms=web_horiz_nav_hp
Planned Parenthood- https://www.plannedparenthood.org/
Undocumented Immigrants- https://catholiccharitiesnewyork.nationbuilder.com/donate
(Post your own so I can add it.)

c. Sign-up for newsletters. No, seriously. Many organizations hand out newsletters so you can see what they're doing and opportunities to help out close-by.

2. Energize.

a. Don't lose heart. This is just one election. One out of 45 that we've had as a nation. Trump might be insane but it will take more than him to break us. There's nothing wrong with taking a step back from time to time to regain some faith in humanity.

b. Call your Senators/Representatives/Mayors/etc. Make your voice heard even if you're in a red state. Go to their events, send them letters, and get everyone around you to do it too.

c. Squash bothsiderism wherever you can. We are not the same as Republicans/rightists.

3. Mobilize.

a. VOTE! For the love of every deity and humanistic principle VOTE!. Choose the lesser of two evils if you must but fucking VOTE!. No Democrat/Left-Wing party on the ticket? Vote anyway. A moderate fiscal republican is better than a hardline religious extremist Republican. People in red states can push the Republican party left vote by vote if they can just push themselves into a decent force. This is where joining organizations come in handy. Talk up your preferred candidate where you can. Put them in a good light even if you mostly hate them.

a2.
The Ender wrote: »

Bring friends to the polls with you, please. No, a call or text message is not sufficient; no, an 'I'll do it later' is not good enough - you close that fucking deal. Get them in the car with you and head down to the polling station together. If you don't drive, go together on the bus / walk together / bike together / whatever.

GOTV is a collective effort - a party's central or field office can only do so much, and their resources are usually stretched thin (especially on E-day). Not everyone can be an activist, but everyone can get the butts of the people they know & love to those polls. This is especially important in areas with shitty polling locations & long lines; your friends are going to need an incentive to stay in that God forsaken line. Be their incentive.


You are only one ballot, but you can be responsible for getting many other ballots just like yours into that box. Get out there & do so.

b. Join party organizations, especially partisan organizations. Democrats or Republicans, whatever. You can be a radical in the Democratic Party and a moderating influence in the Republican Party. Are you an Independent? Then pick whoever you hate the least and campaign for them. Politics is built in yards not touchdowns. Push for the world you want to see.


Overall:

What else can we do to fight Donald Trump? How do we get the Democratic party to actually show up at midterms? Who can we look to lead us out of this insanity? I don't fucking know but maybe some one here has the answer.

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  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    a. VOTE! For the love of every deity and humanistic principle VOTE!. Choose the lesser of two evils if you must but fucking VOTE!. No Democrat/Left-Wing party on the ticket? Vote anyway. A moderate fiscal republican is better than a hardline religious extremist Republican. People in red states can push the Republican party left vote by vote if they can just push themselves into a decent force. This is where joining organizations come in handy. Talk up your preferred candidate where you can. Put them in a good light even if you mostly hate them.

    If I can request a Part 2 to this:


    Bring friends to the polls with you, please. No, a call or text message is not sufficient; no, an 'I'll do it later' is not good enough - you close that fucking deal. Get them in the car with you and head down to the polling station together. If you don't drive, go together on the bus / walk together / bike together / whatever.

    GOTV is a collective effort - a party's central or field office can only do so much, and their resources are usually stretched thin (especially on E-day). Not everyone can be an activist, but everyone can get the butts of the people they know & love to those polls. This is especially important in areas with shitty polling locations & long lines; your friends are going to need an incentive to stay in that God forsaken line. Be their incentive.


    You are only one ballot, but you can be responsible for getting many other ballots just like yours into that box. Get out there & do so.

    The Ender on
    With Love and Courage
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I would reinforce that, as Lois suggests, this battle is going to be fought locally. Not just at the Senate and congressional level, but at the level of mayors, state legislators, school boards, city councils.

    You're in a red state? Push for democratic politicians. Aren't any? Then push for the last bad Pub. They all suck? Fuck it, put yourself on the ballot - it's easy to make sure your rep votes your way when you're the rep in question!

    You're in a blue state? Congrats, but your work ain't done. Is your Dem rep doing their job? Are they rolling over for the pubs in congress? Are they too weak to take a stand? Then ride their ass until they do better. If they won't do better, primary them.*

    We're in a fight for our country right now, and we need a warrior class.


    *That said, also be practical. Maybe don't punish your congress critters just because they aren't pushing for universal health care and open borders, or whatever your personal unicorn is.

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  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    They all suck? Fuck it, put yourself on the ballot - it's easy to make sure your rep votes your way when you're the rep in question!
    Can't emphasize this enough! There are a lot of positions on both sides that go uncontested when election season rolls around. Screw that, make 'em work to stay in!

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    What else can we do to fight Donald Trump? How do we get the Democratic party to actually show up at midterms? Who can we look to lead us out of this insanity? I don't fucking know but maybe some one here has the answer.

    These are question that I don't feel can realistically be answered until next year. What I would suggest if Trump intends to run Trump's Crazypants Presidential Bonanza: Just Like It Says On the Box! is entirely different than if this is just GWB 2.0.


    In the meantime: here is a bit of food for thought. Try not to be put-off by the language of the document; it is a serious model used by left-wing political organizations to get shit done on a shoestring budget.

    Fundamentally it focuses on having personal narratives, not policy, as the foundation for activism, engagement & recruitment. It also focuses on using empowerment within an organization's structure as an incentive to keep people actively involved (since, y'know, most grassroots activists don't have a warchest full of cash they can use to create a payroll incentive).


    Think about why you are politically involved. Is it more because of some really abstract, cold & hard policy initiative, or is it more because of impetus brought on by personal experiences you had? I think for most people it is the latter - so share that story. You would be surprised, I think, at how much more effective that is (even if it sometimes feels too self-indulgent / narcissistic) than just saying you support [X] policy for [Y] reasons based on [Z] data.

    A lot of people on these forums changed party affiliations from Republican to Democrat in the relatively recent past, for example. Tell people why - and I don't mean in terms of policy. What is the personal story behind that change? I bet it was interesting / sad / uplifting / rage inducing / something. Crank the feels on - it's not like the feels are fake or shameful, they're the damn reason we got involved; share them!


    The Ender on
    With Love and Courage
  • PriestPriest Registered User regular
    I support this thread and have been thinking about this significantly since the election. "How do I get involved to prevent this in the future."

    Part of the problem is that every time I approach a local party with the same question, I get the same answer:

    - Sit in this calling center for 4 hours a night for 2 months.
    - Go door to door every weekend for 2 months.

    And four elections later, you know what that has taught me? That both are completely ineffective uses of time and don't actually put my skills to use. You can only get the door slammed in your face, hung up on so many times before the next time you go to the party and offer your assistance, and they present you with the same tired options, you go, "You know what, not this time. Sorry. I did your dog and pony show for this many years, and it has had no effect." Even in Obama's elections. Door to doors and phone calls simply. don't. work. You can "get out the vote" all you want, but a phone call isn't going to get a single mother of 2 to the polls, she's going to yell at you for calling her while she's changing a diaper. This action has to start early.

    It comes from a basic disorganization at a local level. The battles we need to be fighting are elsewhere.

    I'm taking a different approach this time. I approached my teaching union to ask the same question. Now I'm having lunch with my state senator once a month to discuss educational issues. My union is paying for two sub days a year so I can go speak in front of my State Legislature.

    And what it comes down to is my union is more organized. They have systems in place so that when members come looking to act, they have tasks that need done, they aren't just parents inventing busywork for their children.

  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    i want to quote captain marcus said in the other thread, about the system republicans have for getting young people involved in politics
    You can copy basically all of it. There's only two or three organizations in each county and they all work together. There's the high school and college Young Republicans equivalent and the Republican Party society at the county headquarters. Eager young people join the clubs in school and get to network, learn political skills and meet influential people. There are scholarships for promising achievers as well as summer internships in the state capitol and DC with eventual hire as paid staffers. If you're out of college you can join up at the HQ- they're always delighted to see young people take an interest (as most of them are retirees) and I was offered the job of party captain for my city district right off the bat. There are clear rules for each position within the party and how to obtain them, and if you'd like to be a candidate for political office they'll show you the ropes and have you go out for low-level county positions and work your way up. Websites and organizations like The Leadership Institute to teach young people political skills are also very helpful.

    Mainly, everything's clear and you're allowed to rise to the level of your ability. The lack of multiple competing groups in an area limits infighting and membership poaching as well. Fights over email lists were common in the progressive meetings I attended- several people were members of other groups across the city and kept trying to steal our email list for their use.

    A friend of mine is a state legislator simply because he joined when he was fifteen, worked hard for about ten years, and the powers that be said "hey, you're dedicated, loyal, and we think you'd be great for this position. We'll back you 100%." Volunteering for a decade for the Democrats gets you a closet full of protest signs and not much else.

    left-wing parties need systems like these. young progressive people need to get their foot in the door and help their parties begin to build these systems on a local level

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    Priest wrote: »
    I support this thread and have been thinking about this significantly since the election. "How do I get involved to prevent this in the future."

    Part of the problem is that every time I approach a local party with the same question, I get the same answer:

    - Sit in this calling center for 4 hours a night for 2 months.
    - Go door to door every weekend for 2 months.

    And four elections later, you know what that has taught me? That both are completely ineffective uses of time and don't actually put my skills to use. You can only get the door slammed in your face, hung up on so many times before the next time you go to the party and offer your assistance, and they present you with the same tired options, you go, "You know what, not this time. Sorry. I did your dog and pony show for this many years, and it has had no effect." Even in Obama's elections. Door to doors and phone calls simply. don't. work. You can "get out the vote" all you want, but a phone call isn't going to get a single mother of 2 to the polls, she's going to yell at you for calling her while she's changing a diaper. This action has to start early.

    It comes from a basic disorganization at a local level. The battles we need to be fighting are elsewhere.

    I'm taking a different approach this time. I approached my teaching union to ask the same question. Now I'm having lunch with my state senator once a month to discuss educational issues. My union is paying for two sub days a year so I can go speak in front of my State Legislature.

    And what it comes down to is my union is more organized. They have systems in place so that when members come looking to act, they have tasks that need done, they aren't just parents inventing busywork for their children.

    Door to door canvassing does work. We have empirical data, if you like, that demonstrates the efficacy of it - but it isn't magic.

    You should get about 10-12~ people on your side for every hundred that you contact. That probably seems like a shitty ratio (especially when you're the one beating your feet on the pavement, and you realize that on average you'll hit about 10~ doors an hour, and of those 10~ doors you actually talk to perhaps 4~ human beings) - but it's what we have to work with. Whomever can come up with the superior alternative to this gets a million dollar prize, because everyone wants an alternative to it... but there just isn't one.


    With Love and Courage
  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    door-to-door canvassing is important but if it's the only thing you have to offer people who want to work in your organisation, you're going to have a hard time getting people to work in your organisation. you need to generate interest in your volunteers as well as the people they're talking to

    what do republicans do? like, if you're a young republican who shows up saying "i want to volunteer", what kind of work do they give you?

  • The EnderThe Ender Registered User regular
    I mean, to some extent I would urge caution when looking at how the GOP garners its base; payroll incentive is great. Where were you planning to get the money from to do that?

    With Love and Courage
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I think there are two related questions being asked here, and it's important to distinguish between them.

    1. What can I do to help out in areas that will need help as a result of Trump's shitty policies?
    2. What can I do to get more progressive politicians in office?

    Call centers and canvassing are great for election season, but for the time in between, there are other ways to make a difference, either in terms of getting politicians to do good things, or actively helping out in your community.

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  • KaputaKaputa Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    There's not much talk of ballot initiatives, but depending on the state in question and its laws, I think they can be a good way to push progressive policies while in opposition. Our asshole governor here in Maine was going around saying a minimum wage increase to $12 would "kill Maine's seniors" and that legal weed would kill basically everyone and we still managed to pass both of them.

    I also think they can be a good way to get people involved in politics. I know various people whose first significant political participation beyond voting was participating in the signature gathering campaigns for getting gay marriage, minimum wage, cannabis legalization, or ranked choice voting on the ballot, all of which passed under a governor who is basically Mainer-Trump and a legislature sometimes partly controlled by the GOP. My anecdotes are not sufficient data, but I think it can be easier to get people to collect signatures for a cause they know they support than it is to convince them to rally behind a candidate and canvass for them and such.

    In Maine you only need to gather signatures equal to 10% of the votes cast in the previous gubernatorial election, which isn't that hard, but I'm not sure how it compares to ballot initiative laws in other states. Our governor wants to change the law so that we'd have to gather the signatures proportionally from each county, which would basically stop us from doing so in the future as gathering in the sparsely populated and more conservative north/west would be extremely difficult.

    An arguable downside to putting resources into ballot initiatives is the they might not help build your political party as an organization in as lasting a manner as finding and electing good candidates, but passing progressive policies under GOP state government is still fun.

    Kaputa on
  • RMS OceanicRMS Oceanic Registered User regular
    I am glad this thread is here, because it's been difficult to read about the aftermath without the lens of "okay, what can I do about it?"

    And on that note, I have a question: I don't think it's wrong to say that a lot of people have the wrong idea of how to divy up responsibility and/or blame between the President and Congress. And even if Congress is identified as the source of trouble, there's a phenomenon of exempting your personal representative from responsibility. So what's the best way to draw attention to specific people, in what they have done, and what they have failed to do? I think getting more people to think critically about what their Representatives/Senators actually do is an important part of any electoral strategy.

  • mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Another point: you might have lost all influence at the federal level for at least 2 years, but you still have states.
    You can implement your wishlist at the state level! It's doable! Government can do things!
    Yes, it will not cover all states, which does suck, but it will at least help some states.
    You can't save those who want to doom themselves, but you can save yourself.

    If your state is remotely blue, you can make progress. You can have universal healthcare, good education, a real social safety net, real protection for workers, and do quite a lot to protect the right of minorities at the state level. Yes, you can even do it in one state.
    We do most of that at the provincial level here, and province do not have anything near the power of states!

    FFS, California alone has more people than my entire country! New York City has about the same population as my province!
    You have the people and tax bases to solve those problems even with a hostile federal government!
    You just need to stop giving up without even trying.

  • LoisLaneLoisLane Registered User regular
    The Ender wrote: »
    I mean, to some extent I would urge caution when looking at how the GOP garners its base; payroll incentive is great. Where were you planning to get the money from to do that?

    College Campuses? I don't fucking know. The richest cities in America are liberal-leaning but we have less funding than the poor rural areas.

    We don't vote, don't turn up for elections, and don't run for office. Liberals enjoy burying their heads in the sand.

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    Priest wrote: »
    It comes from a basic disorganization at a local level. The battles we need to be fighting are elsewhere.

    I'm taking a different approach this time. I approached my teaching union to ask the same question. Now I'm having lunch with my state senator once a month to discuss educational issues. My union is paying for two sub days a year so I can go speak in front of my State Legislature.

    And what it comes down to is my union is more organized. They have systems in place so that when members come looking to act, they have tasks that need done, they aren't just parents inventing busywork for their children.

    It isn't a coincidence that progressive support among the working-class base has declined simultaneously with the erosion of labor unions.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Honest question for those of you who are politically active... who actually attend meetings, rallies, marches, who do phone banking, who canvas, etc.

    How do you find out about activist opportunities?

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Priest wrote: »
    It comes from a basic disorganization at a local level. The battles we need to be fighting are elsewhere.

    I'm taking a different approach this time. I approached my teaching union to ask the same question. Now I'm having lunch with my state senator once a month to discuss educational issues. My union is paying for two sub days a year so I can go speak in front of my State Legislature.

    And what it comes down to is my union is more organized. They have systems in place so that when members come looking to act, they have tasks that need done, they aren't just parents inventing busywork for their children.

    It isn't a coincidence that progressive support among the working-class base has declined simultaneously with the erosion of labor unions.

    It's been a bit of a two-way street on that though. The erosion of labour unions is also a result of declining support among the working class for progressive issues because they benefited women and minorities, leading to more conservative governments who married social policy with anti-labour policy.

  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Another point: you might have lost all influence at the federal level for at least 2 years, but you still have states.
    You can implement your wishlist at the state level! It's doable! Government can do things!
    Yes, it will not cover all states, which does suck, but it will at least help some states.
    You can't save those who want to doom themselves, but you can save yourself.

    If your state is remotely blue, you can make progress. You can have universal healthcare, good education, a real social safety net, real protection for workers, and do quite a lot to protect the right of minorities at the state level. Yes, you can even do it in one state.
    We do most of that at the provincial level here, and province do not have anything near the power of states!

    FFS, California alone has more people than my entire country! New York City has about the same population as my province!
    You have the people and tax bases to solve those problems even with a hostile federal government!
    You just need to stop giving up without even trying.

    California actually is making good progress towards many things like that. It's amazing how functional the government becomes when liberal democrats can allow their ideas to compete with fiscal conservative democrats and produce real solutions.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Priest wrote: »
    It comes from a basic disorganization at a local level. The battles we need to be fighting are elsewhere.

    I'm taking a different approach this time. I approached my teaching union to ask the same question. Now I'm having lunch with my state senator once a month to discuss educational issues. My union is paying for two sub days a year so I can go speak in front of my State Legislature.

    And what it comes down to is my union is more organized. They have systems in place so that when members come looking to act, they have tasks that need done, they aren't just parents inventing busywork for their children.

    It isn't a coincidence that progressive support among the working-class base has declined simultaneously with the erosion of labor unions.

    It's been a bit of a two-way street on that though. The erosion of labour unions is also a result of declining support among the working class for progressive issues because they benefited women and minorities, leading to more conservative governments who married social policy with anti-labour policy.

    Krugman has discussed this a bit, with his discussion of what he termed "hardhats" - socially conservative union workers who aligned with conservatives over social issues.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Priest wrote: »
    It comes from a basic disorganization at a local level. The battles we need to be fighting are elsewhere.

    I'm taking a different approach this time. I approached my teaching union to ask the same question. Now I'm having lunch with my state senator once a month to discuss educational issues. My union is paying for two sub days a year so I can go speak in front of my State Legislature.

    And what it comes down to is my union is more organized. They have systems in place so that when members come looking to act, they have tasks that need done, they aren't just parents inventing busywork for their children.

    It isn't a coincidence that progressive support among the working-class base has declined simultaneously with the erosion of labor unions.

    It's been a bit of a two-way street on that though. The erosion of labour unions is also a result of declining support among the working class for progressive issues because they benefited women and minorities, leading to more conservative governments who married social policy with anti-labour policy.

    Krugman has discussed this a bit, with his discussion of what he termed "hardhats" - socially conservative union workers who aligned with conservatives over social issues.

    Aye. I keep bringing up the death of the New Deal coalition in threads about this year's election because of this. You can see some of the same issues hitting the Labour party in the UK too. Labour union support can be tricky because of the traditional makeup of the workforce.

    That said, labour unions are still important for worker's rights both at the low level where they are directly negotiating for them and at the political level where they provide support for progressive labour policy.

  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    what do republicans do? like, if you're a young republican who shows up saying "i want to volunteer", what kind of work do they give you?
    Before the phone bank and door-to-door season started we'd do things like host neighborhood barbecues, meet with local Republican elected officials and get to ask them about their campaign experience, have a day where we visited our state rep at the Capitol, run a golf tournament to bring in money, get to be delegates at statewide party meetings, that sort of thing. Most of it was interesting and all of it was varied.

    When I was on the progressive side literally the only thing we did in the community was protest. No friendly neighborhood get-togethers for name recognition, nothing. And no one knew who we were at the protests either- we'd be one of a dozen almost-identical groups.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    I am glad this thread is here, because it's been difficult to read about the aftermath without the lens of "okay, what can I do about it?"

    And on that note, I have a question: I don't think it's wrong to say that a lot of people have the wrong idea of how to divy up responsibility and/or blame between the President and Congress. And even if Congress is identified as the source of trouble, there's a phenomenon of exempting your personal representative from responsibility. So what's the best way to draw attention to specific people, in what they have done, and what they have failed to do? I think getting more people to think critically about what their Representatives/Senators actually do is an important part of any electoral strategy.

    I think part of what we need to do is better focus our message. Going into a deep red state and railing against the politician who wants to restrict abortion access isn't going to have a positive effect (assuming you're a progressive).

    So what you need to do is figure out what a given constituency wants, then figure out how a politician is failing at that. This is what Trump did - went to the place where the jobs were absent and made a big deal about it, blaming it on the "establishment".

    We're not going to win votes by fighting a culture war. We need to appeal directly to the people based on what's important to them.

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    what do republicans do? like, if you're a young republican who shows up saying "i want to volunteer", what kind of work do they give you?
    Before the phone bank and door-to-door season started we'd do things like host neighborhood barbecues, meet with local Republican elected officials and get to ask them about their campaign experience, have a day where we visited our state rep at the Capitol, run a golf tournament to bring in money, get to be delegates at statewide party meetings, that sort of thing. Most of it was interesting and all of it was varied.

    When I was on the progressive side literally the only thing we did in the community was protest. No friendly neighborhood get-togethers for name recognition, nothing. And no one knew who we were at the protests either- we'd be one of a dozen almost-identical groups.

    This matches my experience. My most politically-active progressive friends march a lot. And picket a lot. And picket and march.

    And then they complain that local journalism either didn't cover their march at all or covered it poorly.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    Feral wrote: »
    what do republicans do? like, if you're a young republican who shows up saying "i want to volunteer", what kind of work do they give you?
    Before the phone bank and door-to-door season started we'd do things like host neighborhood barbecues, meet with local Republican elected officials and get to ask them about their campaign experience, have a day where we visited our state rep at the Capitol, run a golf tournament to bring in money, get to be delegates at statewide party meetings, that sort of thing. Most of it was interesting and all of it was varied.

    When I was on the progressive side literally the only thing we did in the community was protest. No friendly neighborhood get-togethers for name recognition, nothing. And no one knew who we were at the protests either- we'd be one of a dozen almost-identical groups.

    This matches my experience. My most politically-active progressive friends march a lot. And picket a lot. And picket and march.

    And then they complain that local journalism either didn't cover their march at all or covered it poorly.

    I have a number of friends who basically grew out of marching and picketing because they sort of collectively realized there are a lot of people for whom "protest" is a hobby or a lifestyle and not about making mindful decisions to further dialogue or political change. In the past few days there have been a number of articles about white people showing up at the Dakota Pipeline camp and treating it like fucking Burning Man. Same thing happened during the Occupy movement. At some point, it all starts leaving a bad taste in everyone's mouth and even people who are progressive get irritated by joiners. Honestly, I really hope with the Dakota Pipeline, they start throwing out people who are there to hang out and eat donated food, smoke some pot and then play guitar at a campfire.

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  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    Hmm, turns out you need a bunch of money and signatures to be on the ballot in most states

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  • LoisLaneLoisLane Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    Hmm, turns out you need a bunch of money and signatures to be on the ballot in most states

    Which would be easy if we had a fucking network but apparently we don't. What state are you in and how much do you need?

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    I don't think this will apply to me, as I'm currently in Minnesota with ties to California, though who knows where I'll be next year. However, for a position in the House of Representatives, you either need $300 or 1,000 signatures. According to the style guide, that's about 100 pages of wet signatures that have to be obtained in person, assuming all pages are completely filled. The rest of the paperwork is kind of easy for someone with document design software and an office printer, but this is one of the more lenient states. A lot of red states and populous states (especially Florida) have huge, huge filing requirements.

    On top of all this, the petitions must be signed in the 15 day filing window. For 1000 signatures, that's 67 signatures per day, signed in person by eligible voters within the county (for Minnesota, which is lenient). Assuming I could get 10 signatures per neighborhood per day, I'd need about 8 part timers on schedule per day, probably 24-35 in total for guaranteed coverage, assuming they're all able to drive themselves and can work for at least 5 days.

    So running for office isn't a small deal. It's a relatively easy process (compared to stuff I file as part of my job), but without actual boots on the ground doing a relatively simple task, and a person they're all willing to work for, it's a huge hassle.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    I don't think this will apply to me, as I'm currently in Minnesota with ties to California, though who knows where I'll be next year. However, for a position in the House of Representatives, you either need $300 or 1,000 signatures. According to the style guide, that's about 100 pages of wet signatures that have to be obtained in person, assuming all pages are completely filled. The rest of the paperwork is kind of easy for someone with document design software and an office printer, but this is one of the more lenient states. A lot of red states and populous states (especially Florida) have huge, huge filing requirements.

    On top of all this, the petitions must be signed in the 15 day filing window. For 1000 signatures, that's 67 signatures per day, signed in person by eligible voters within the county (for Minnesota, which is lenient). Assuming I could get 10 signatures per neighborhood per day, I'd need about 8 part timers on schedule per day, probably 24-35 in total for guaranteed coverage, assuming they're all able to drive themselves and can work for at least 5 days.

    So running for office isn't a small deal. It's a relatively easy process (compared to stuff I file as part of my job), but without actual boots on the ground doing a relatively simple task, and a person they're all willing to work for, it's a huge hassle.

    $300 OR 1000 signatures, or $300 AND 1000 signatures?

    If all you need is $300 then the Democratic party should just give you that money and say "Go for it!" if your running against someone who would be otherwise unopposed.

    "That is cool" - Abraham Lincoln
  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited November 2016
    Paladin wrote: »
    I don't think this will apply to me, as I'm currently in Minnesota with ties to California, though who knows where I'll be next year. However, for a position in the House of Representatives, you either need $300 or 1,000 signatures. According to the style guide, that's about 100 pages of wet signatures that have to be obtained in person, assuming all pages are completely filled. The rest of the paperwork is kind of easy for someone with document design software and an office printer, but this is one of the more lenient states. A lot of red states and populous states (especially Florida) have huge, huge filing requirements.

    On top of all this, the petitions must be signed in the 15 day filing window. For 1000 signatures, that's 67 signatures per day, signed in person by eligible voters within the county (for Minnesota, which is lenient). Assuming I could get 10 signatures per neighborhood per day, I'd need about 8 part timers on schedule per day, probably 24-35 in total for guaranteed coverage, assuming they're all able to drive themselves and can work for at least 5 days.

    So running for office isn't a small deal. It's a relatively easy process (compared to stuff I file as part of my job), but without actual boots on the ground doing a relatively simple task, and a person they're all willing to work for, it's a huge hassle.

    The entire system is designed to ensure the fat floats to the top. The compressed timelines and initial investment seem to be a pretty standard way of making sure that it takes a lot of organization and cash to clear the first hurdle even if actual filing costs are relatively low. I'd say without the name recognition of having been on a city council or involved in some other process beforehand, getting to the House of Representatives from a standstill would be a hard thing to do. I plan on trying to at least invest the time in learning about the local offices and such since I'm fairly new to this area. We need to find a way to make local stuff just as sexy and exciting as POTUS.

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  • LoisLaneLoisLane Registered User regular
    Paladin wrote: »
    I don't think this will apply to me, as I'm currently in Minnesota with ties to California, though who knows where I'll be next year. However, for a position in the House of Representatives, you either need $300 or 1,000 signatures. According to the style guide, that's about 100 pages of wet signatures that have to be obtained in person, assuming all pages are completely filled. The rest of the paperwork is kind of easy for someone with document design software and an office printer, but this is one of the more lenient states. A lot of red states and populous states (especially Florida) have huge, huge filing requirements.

    On top of all this, the petitions must be signed in the 15 day filing window. For 1000 signatures, that's 67 signatures per day, signed in person by eligible voters within the county (for Minnesota, which is lenient). Assuming I could get 10 signatures per neighborhood per day, I'd need about 8 part timers on schedule per day, probably 24-35 in total for guaranteed coverage, assuming they're all able to drive themselves and can work for at least 5 days.

    So running for office isn't a small deal. It's a relatively easy process (compared to stuff I file as part of my job), but without actual boots on the ground doing a relatively simple task, and a person they're all willing to work for, it's a huge hassle.

    If its just $300 then try to start a gofundme on here. I'm sure we'd all love to fund it.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    tbloxham wrote: »
    Paladin wrote: »
    I don't think this will apply to me, as I'm currently in Minnesota with ties to California, though who knows where I'll be next year. However, for a position in the House of Representatives, you either need $300 or 1,000 signatures. According to the style guide, that's about 100 pages of wet signatures that have to be obtained in person, assuming all pages are completely filled. The rest of the paperwork is kind of easy for someone with document design software and an office printer, but this is one of the more lenient states. A lot of red states and populous states (especially Florida) have huge, huge filing requirements.

    On top of all this, the petitions must be signed in the 15 day filing window. For 1000 signatures, that's 67 signatures per day, signed in person by eligible voters within the county (for Minnesota, which is lenient). Assuming I could get 10 signatures per neighborhood per day, I'd need about 8 part timers on schedule per day, probably 24-35 in total for guaranteed coverage, assuming they're all able to drive themselves and can work for at least 5 days.

    So running for office isn't a small deal. It's a relatively easy process (compared to stuff I file as part of my job), but without actual boots on the ground doing a relatively simple task, and a person they're all willing to work for, it's a huge hassle.

    $300 OR 1000 signatures, or $300 AND 1000 signatures?

    If all you need is $300 then the Democratic party should just give you that money and say "Go for it!" if your running against someone who would be otherwise unopposed.

    Minnesota is already blue, but many other states, especially ones past a certain electoral vote count, require both. State legislature positions are more feasible but still require a bunch of people.

    It's also hard to tell who's going to be unopposed for minor positions because there isn't exactly a newsletter telling who's running which county and who's got no heck of an idea

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Honest question for those of you who are politically active... who actually attend meetings, rallies, marches, who do phone banking, who canvas, etc.

    How do you find out about activist opportunities?

    I'm on a mailing list. The Australian Greens send me emails telling me that they're holding a meeting to discuss some local issue or a protest against something in this location at this time. There's also a Facebook group but I haven't joined it yet, I'm only just beginning to get involved.
    Feral wrote: »
    what do republicans do? like, if you're a young republican who shows up saying "i want to volunteer", what kind of work do they give you?
    Before the phone bank and door-to-door season started we'd do things like host neighborhood barbecues, meet with local Republican elected officials and get to ask them about their campaign experience, have a day where we visited our state rep at the Capitol, run a golf tournament to bring in money, get to be delegates at statewide party meetings, that sort of thing. Most of it was interesting and all of it was varied.

    When I was on the progressive side literally the only thing we did in the community was protest. No friendly neighborhood get-togethers for name recognition, nothing. And no one knew who we were at the protests either- we'd be one of a dozen almost-identical groups.

    This matches my experience. My most politically-active progressive friends march a lot. And picket a lot. And picket and march.

    And then they complain that local journalism either didn't cover their march at all or covered it poorly.

    My party is a lot smaller than the Republican party, obviously, but we have parties and movie nights and training sessions and fundraisers and opportunities to meet people. Like, I know my city councillor and a lot of the people in his office. I've met one of our senators. I guess it's more informal, like there isn't really a system of internships designed to give young people political experience. I'm just thinking out loud here, but maybe we need to be more willing to capitalise off ambition? We might find it easier to get volunteers if we could at least suggest that one day they'll be doing more than just grunt work.

  • Captain MarcusCaptain Marcus now arrives the hour of actionRegistered User regular
    edited November 2016
    Feral wrote: »
    This matches my experience. My most politically-active progressive friends march a lot. And picket a lot. And picket and march.

    And then they complain that local journalism either didn't cover their march at all or covered it poorly.
    Oh my god this so much. It was like pulling teeth to try and get them to do other things than picket.

    "We should hold a picket outside of the grocery store to protest how they treat farmworkers!"

    "Steve no one knows who we are. How about a documentary night at the local college campus? Maybe get some new people in?"

    "No this is an urgent issue. The store manager will give in to our demands!"

    "It's a chain and like five people show up to these things"

    "Customers will ask who we are and join us"

    etc.

    Every time the most unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky expectations possible and then they'd complain at the next meeting about poor results.

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  • TastyfishTastyfish Registered User regular
    Pratchett again, but "It'll never get better if you picket"

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    Feral wrote: »
    This matches my experience. My most politically-active progressive friends march a lot. And picket a lot. And picket and march.

    And then they complain that local journalism either didn't cover their march at all or covered it poorly.
    Oh my god this so much. It was like pulling teeth to try and get them to do other things than picket.

    "We should hold a picket outside of the grocery store to protest how they treat farmworkers!"

    "Steve no one knows who we are. How about a documentary night at the local college campus? Maybe get some new people in?"

    "No this is an urgent issue. The store manager will give in to our demands!"

    "It's a chain and like five people show up to these things"

    "Customers will ask who we are and join us"

    etc.

    Every time the most unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky expectations possible and then they'd complain at the next meeting about poor results.

    I don't want to turn this into a bitchfest about bad activists, but yeah. I know these people.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    My party is a lot smaller than the Republican party, obviously, but we have parties and movie nights and training sessions and fundraisers and opportunities to meet people. Like, I know my city councillor and a lot of the people in his office. I've met one of our senators. I guess it's more informal, like there isn't really a system of internships designed to give young people political experience. I'm just thinking out loud here, but maybe we need to be more willing to capitalise off ambition? We might find it easier to get volunteers if we could at least suggest that one day they'll be doing more than just grunt work.

    I have such mixed feelings about this.

    Part of the problem with volunteerism in general is that unskilled labor too easily makes a mess of things, and most people with the time and energy to volunteer don't have in-demand skills.

    For example, every protest and activist group I've ever been tangentially involved has been starved for two big skillsets: medical (even EMT or CPR) and legal (even paralegal). Similarly, I've seen a number of groups involved with the Dakota Pipeline protests put out bulletins that say, basically, if you're not a lawyer or medical professional, then expect to be washing dishes or picking up trash. If you're not okay washing dishes and picking up trash, then don't come, because we don't need more useless people. (I'm paraphrasing this, of course.)

    On the other hand, I keep thinking about Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. Rule 2 is "Never go outside the experience of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear, and retreat. It also means a collapse of communication, as we have noted." Rule 6 is "A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic."

    We already have a very powerful set of tools that (rule 2) are well inside the experience of our people and (rule 6) our people enjoy: the Internet. Laugh all you want, but the Internet-fueled fundraising of Howard Dean and Bernie Sanders each set precedents. Much ink has been spilled about the power of the alt-right - a community borne from the bowels of the Internet - in this campaign. Trump's strategy advisor is a documentarist turned webmaster, for all intents and purposes.

    The struggle is turning Internet slackvism into real-world results. It's easy to share a Vox thinkpiece on social media, but that doesn't bring people to the polls. There's gotta be a certain amount of "suck it up buttercup" - Internet denizens have to get out of their comfort zones and occasionally do some canvassing, or phone banking, or picking up trash. But it shouldn't be all that. I perceive a huge gulf between the chattering digerati and the boots on the ground, and I'm trying to figure out the best ways to bridge that gap.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • SurfpossumSurfpossum A nonentity trying to preserve the anonymity he so richly deserves.Registered User regular
    Personally, I think we need hubs. Like, I get nearly all my info from this forum.

    I tried looking stuff up on my county's Democratic website, and while the site itself isn't terrible there was very little in the way of "new people go here." There was an ancient recurring meeting for "young Democrats" on the calendar but elsewhere that didn't show up.

    I feel like every county having an official Facebook page that posts updates and has comments is a good start, but I think each one should have a more social page as well that freely lets people post things. Moderation would be an issue, but we need to give people a quick and easy way to connect.

    These would be the local hubs that meetings and whatnot are organized through. They would connect to the state level pages, which have their own social/official hubs. And same for the national level (tho by then there would probably need to be subgroups or something).

    At every step of the way, there should be clear info on who is running for office, what positions are available, what the current projects/plans are, etc. I shouldn't just be checking The Stranger but up until this minute I hadn't even thought to check my local website (it simply lists recommendations with no explanation).

    I feel like there has to be some potential there.

  • PaladinPaladin Registered User regular
    How legit is this site?

    Also I found out Ken Bone is running for mayor next year as an independent, heh

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  • LoisLaneLoisLane Registered User regular
    bump

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    No bumping please

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