Sounds like PR, they're not in position to change the director's credit for the Director's Guild - plus it'd look bad considering how Snyder left the project. It's already blatantly obvious Whedon's put his stamp on some scenes.
I kinda assumed that much, because I felt that given the circumstances Whedon was going to be respectful to Snyder's vision.
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He also doesn't have the budget or the time to actually re-shoot an entire new movie. Particularly when CGI is involved.
Vast swaths of the movie are basically locked in, and all Whedon can do is play at the margins via dialogue with small scenes on small sets. People are going to be sorely disappointed if they think that he will be able to make this movie go from an D to a B. He is likely starting with a D+ and barely edging it towards a C.
Or, given what we have seen up to this point, starting with an F and turning it into a D.
Saw Thor Ragnarok last night, the trailers before the movie were Justice League, Black Panther and Star Wars.
I've seen the JL trailers before but watching them on the big screen with two other big movies just made it look even worse by comparison. Just terrible looking CG.
I know it sounds odd to say this, but this movie doesn’t feel earned.
Thanks to Marvel playing the long game and setting up The Avengers, the way the plots seemed to logically move toward making even civil war seem like a plausible outcome and the set up for infinity war, this Justice League movie just out of the blue seems way too soon and just doesn’t feel the same.
Too much seems rushed in and slapped together at the last second.
Personally, I'm worried the tone will be a complete mess. Here I'm thinking of bits of the heroes grinning like idiots in the middle of a blood-red apocalypse. I'm sure a memo came down from the studio heads saying "LAY OFF THE GRIMDARK" but it's a weird clash when the background looks that dire.
Cyborg is just not feeling unique at all, and Flash being the Spider-Man comic relief definitely feels a lot cheaper than even Justice League animated. The more time passes I really feel they missed a chance to bring in the CW universe stuff, though I suppose that clashes with the Supergirl show's version of Supes.
Personally, I'm worried the tone will be a complete mess. Here I'm thinking of bits of the heroes grinning like idiots in the middle of a blood-red apocalypse. I'm sure a memo came down from the studio heads saying "LAY OFF THE GRIMDARK" but it's a weird clash when the background looks that dire.
Snyder and Whedon couldn’t be more different. The tone of this film is going to give people whiplash.
I know it sounds odd to say this, but this movie doesn’t feel earned.
Thanks to Marvel playing the long game and setting up The Avengers, the way the plots seemed to logically move toward making even civil war seem like a plausible outcome and the set up for infinity war, this Justice League movie just out of the blue seems way too soon and just doesn’t feel the same.
Too much seems rushed in and slapped together at the last second.
It's not odd at all to say that this movie doesn't feel earned, because it isn't.
Just the way they talk about Superman is very inconsistent with what they've shown. And not just from the audience's perspective. BvS was all about how controversial Superman was and how so many people didn't trust him. Now, suddenly he's a beacon of hope for the world? Wonder Woman fits that role far better than Superman.
The CGI effects are just... wow. With the backgrounds, it doesn't look like the actors are really there. Or to be more exact, it's wholly evident that I'm looking at green screen footage. And even the incidental stuff looks bad. The bit with Batman jumping off the gargoyle looks terrible.
Marvel falls into this pit too, but not nearly as often. I don't know what voodoo they're using, but for the most part I can believe the action I'm seeing is really happening. This movie, I'm just acutely aware I'm looking at completely fake shit, and it pulls me right out of the movie.
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They've also really thrashed his personality that's been established over the last decade and, well I don't know how to really describe that attitude he has in the trailers/spots thus far. But it's not the Cyborg I've come to recognize.
He also doesn't have the budget or the time to actually re-shoot an entire new movie. Particularly when CGI is involved.
Vast swaths of the movie are basically locked in, and all Whedon can do is play at the margins via dialogue with small scenes on small sets. People are going to be sorely disappointed if they think that he will be able to make this movie go from an D to a B. He is likely starting with a D+ and barely edging it towards a C.
Or, given what we have seen up to this point, starting with an F and turning it into a D.
Supposedly they spent millions of dollars reshooting the movie, so while Snyder's vision may be dominant the execution and added scenes alterations won't be minor.
Cyborg had an excellent personality in the Teen Titans cartoon. But the Geoff Johns version they're pulling from for the movie is a big nothing cypher. They could have the Bat Computer talk to them and drive robots and it would be very similar.
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Something that also hugely bugs me about everything about the JL movie (as shown in previews and clips so far) is how they talk about Superman.
The Superman they constantly allude and remember and the one that was actually shown in the last two movies are like two completely different people.
On one level, that's good because I think that's the Superman that folks actually wanted to see so actually going a bit closer to the source material should make folks happy.
On the other hand, they have no fucking clue how to write that Superman so when he inevitably shows up somewhere around the end of JL they'll go right back to fucking it up and everybody will be unhappy again.
Something that also hugely bugs me about everything about the JL movie (as shown in previews and clips so far) is how they talk about Superman.
The Superman they constantly allude and remember and the one that was actually shown in the last two movies are like two completely different people.
On one level, that's good because I think that's the Superman that folks actually wanted to see so actually going a bit closer to the source material should make folks happy.
On the other hand, they have no fucking clue how to write that Superman so when he inevitably shows up somewhere around the end of JL they'll go right back to fucking it up and everybody will be unhappy again.
Another thing is there seems to be no character progression on screen, or characters noticing and reacting to this change organically, so it covers off as insincere/retcon.
edit: I'm definitely intrigued by a Whedon written Superman, he can't do worse than Snyder has.
The review embargo lifts one day and 16 hours before it's released -- at 2:50 in the morning, no less. Generally that window is reserved for the stinkiest of stinkers. On top of that, it comes out next week and there haven't been any social media screenings for curated audiences (you know, they show the movie to a bunch of reviewers and influencers who gush over the flick on Twitter).
By comparison, reviews for Wonder Woman (which everyone liked or loved) were able to be posted 13 days and 21 hours before release, and had a social media screening in the same timeframe.
The review embargo lifts one day and 16 hours before it's released -- at 2:50 in the morning, no less. Generally that window is reserved for the stinkiest of stinkers. On top of that, it comes out next week and there haven't been any social media screenings for curated audiences (you know, they show the movie to a bunch of reviewers and influencers who gush over the flick on Twitter).
By comparison, reviews for Wonder Woman (which everyone liked or loved) were able to be posted 13 days and 21 hours before release, and had a social media screening in the same timeframe.
So, brace yourselves.
Well, Fury Road reviews were embargoed until release day. Maybe Justice League will be as good as Fury... ha ha ha ha! No, it's totally going to suck
The review embargo lifts one day and 16 hours before it's released -- at 2:50 in the morning, no less. Generally that window is reserved for the stinkiest of stinkers. On top of that, it comes out next week and there haven't been any social media screenings for curated audiences (you know, they show the movie to a bunch of reviewers and influencers who gush over the flick on Twitter).
By comparison, reviews for Wonder Woman (which everyone liked or loved) were able to be posted 13 days and 21 hours before release, and had a social media screening in the same timeframe.
So, brace yourselves.
Well, Fury Road reviews were embargoed until release day. Maybe Justice League will be as good as Fury... ha ha ha ha! No, it's totally going to suck
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Sounds like PR, they're not in position to change the director's credit for the Director's Guild - plus it'd look bad considering how Snyder left the project. It's already blatantly obvious Whedon's put his stamp on some scenes.
Vast swaths of the movie are basically locked in, and all Whedon can do is play at the margins via dialogue with small scenes on small sets. People are going to be sorely disappointed if they think that he will be able to make this movie go from an D to a B. He is likely starting with a D+ and barely edging it towards a C.
Or, given what we have seen up to this point, starting with an F and turning it into a D.
I've seen the JL trailers before but watching them on the big screen with two other big movies just made it look even worse by comparison. Just terrible looking CG.
I know it sounds odd to say this, but this movie doesn’t feel earned.
Thanks to Marvel playing the long game and setting up The Avengers, the way the plots seemed to logically move toward making even civil war seem like a plausible outcome and the set up for infinity war, this Justice League movie just out of the blue seems way too soon and just doesn’t feel the same.
Too much seems rushed in and slapped together at the last second.
Snyder and Whedon couldn’t be more different. The tone of this film is going to give people whiplash.
It's not odd at all to say that this movie doesn't feel earned, because it isn't.
Just the way they talk about Superman is very inconsistent with what they've shown. And not just from the audience's perspective. BvS was all about how controversial Superman was and how so many people didn't trust him. Now, suddenly he's a beacon of hope for the world? Wonder Woman fits that role far better than Superman.
Marvel falls into this pit too, but not nearly as often. I don't know what voodoo they're using, but for the most part I can believe the action I'm seeing is really happening. This movie, I'm just acutely aware I'm looking at completely fake shit, and it pulls me right out of the movie.
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He's also just so, so generic. Unlike Aquaman and Flash who atleast have some character traits, I can't peg down what Cyborg brings to the table
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He’s black?
The idea that someone would look at what was done to the designs of Transformers for Michael Bay and think “Hey, that’s a good idea.”
Supposedly they spent millions of dollars reshooting the movie, so while Snyder's vision may be dominant the execution and added scenes alterations won't be minor.
He's their Iron Man, kind of. Except less charismatic.
Cyborg's not in that show, remember WB has weird embargoes which they don't follow half the time. Like Flash having a tv show.
Tao Okamoto's second shot in the DCEU.
Well, originally Superman was off limits. Than the movies destroyed him completely, so they allowed him on TV.
The Superman they constantly allude and remember and the one that was actually shown in the last two movies are like two completely different people.
Yup, same with Batman. Suicide Squad spoilers
On one level, that's good because I think that's the Superman that folks actually wanted to see so actually going a bit closer to the source material should make folks happy.
On the other hand, they have no fucking clue how to write that Superman so when he inevitably shows up somewhere around the end of JL they'll go right back to fucking it up and everybody will be unhappy again.
Another thing is there seems to be no character progression on screen, or characters noticing and reacting to this change organically, so it covers off as insincere/retcon.
edit: I'm definitely intrigued by a Whedon written Superman, he can't do worse than Snyder has.
And he'll likely still be more Superman-like than regular Superman.
I feel like someone just took that as a challenge.
So hopefully JL gives us a good moment with that theme.
Wonder if it'll just be Darkseid or if they'll try way too hard to replicate the shawarma scene.
The review embargo lifts one day and 16 hours before it's released -- at 2:50 in the morning, no less. Generally that window is reserved for the stinkiest of stinkers. On top of that, it comes out next week and there haven't been any social media screenings for curated audiences (you know, they show the movie to a bunch of reviewers and influencers who gush over the flick on Twitter).
By comparison, reviews for Wonder Woman (which everyone liked or loved) were able to be posted 13 days and 21 hours before release, and had a social media screening in the same timeframe.
So, brace yourselves.
I didn't realize that Danny Elfman was scoring Justice League, and apparently he decided just to use Batman's theme from 89.
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-classic-batman-theme-music-song-composer-danny-elfman/
Using Williams worked for Superman Returns since it was a quasi-sequel.
Bets on how quick Superman shows up in tv spots to sell more tickets?
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