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A [Logan] thread. For nerds. *Spoilers*
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Movie bob described it as a movie about disappointment which Id say is spot on.
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Its also a movie about how you can only do so much in the time youre given, even if you are all powerful like Charles or have a long life like Logan, and its important that you do what you can, but not to be defeated by the feeling that you failed. Like the world is bleak, and for Xavier and Logan there is the melancholy of failure and a purpose not fulfilled, lots of unanswered questions and a restlessness in death. But then the film ends with the children, and you get a sense that although the cycle of disappointment and failure is strong, its not unbreakable.
That final shot could have been the goofiest thing in the world but hot damn do they earn it
I told he's Rictor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rictor
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He is they say and write his name a few times.
On the other, I have NO idea where the X-Men franchise can go from here. Like the end, with Logan's grave? That might as well be the grave for the X-Men franchise as we know it. No coming back from this, and barring a full reboot or another temporal adjustment, no way to go to exciting X-Men adventures in the past given how we know it all ends.
Of course, the next movie involves Deadpool + Cable + time-travel, sooooo......
You know, when you think about it, what with the continuity snarls, reboots, alternate time-lines, deaths, undoings of said deaths, and whatnot, the X-Men movies did a surprisingly good job of capturing the feel of reading the actual comics.
This takes place in like 2020-something. It's well after the X-men
New Mutants is my guess.It makes sense because we havent heard much on it and Wade/Cable can time jump with no real repercussions for crossovers
my entire body hurts
Mangold has said that he would be interested in making an X-23 movie.
And I'd be totally fine with them making two, three, maybe even four completely different continuities. Legion can be in its own continuity. They can have a "main" X-Men continuity with the other movies. Then a future continuity following Logan. The other TV shows can either be with Legion or the "main" continuity.
He's aware. He's saying that this movie gives any future movie with the young xmen the prequel problem of everybody already knowing how things work out and this is kind of an especially spur bote to have hanging over your head.
In fact unless there are more time travel shenanigans no victories the xmen have matter because in the end the worst case scenerio happens.
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I hope not. That's even MORE depressing. It means that, Deadpool aside, characters we spent nine movies getting to know will inevitably die horribly. The series already has canon reboot buttons; might as well use them.
Hell, maybe have a character like Beyonder or Mojo get involved, revealing how they're messing with time to keep on getting up bad endings.
I have a strong feeling the next movie we get will just be young mutants including James Mcavoy Xavier and just continue from there without Patrick Stewart. We'll probably get a different Wolverine as well.
Although, with how well Logan will likely do, there's probably a good chance that Fox will give Mangold another movie.
The Dad trying to shoot Logan before dying was soul shredding, a great way to inform Logan's character in the final act.
I get where they were going with the reference to Shane, but I'm not sure it worked. What did work brilliantly was Laura using the line at Logan's eulogy. A potent way of showing how completely unequipped she is for anything we would normally deal with.
SirPats brought his A-game. A beautiful rendition of someone wasting away peppered with glimpses of the kindly man we saw teaching kids about Shakespeare, and then he realises what went down in Westchester and it feels like he and Logan are going to truly bond when NO! DENIED! Just reinforces how shitty the situation is.
Also I like how Logan believes Eden isn't real because it's a comic and that shit's made up and this is naturally setting it up for him to be proven wrong, and when he is, it's not because Eden was there the whole time, it's because the kids read the comics and went and made it real. It's a nice touch, and since any optimism in this movie is exclusively with those children it makes sense they'd be the ones to embrace the ideas of the X-men, even on a surface level. Shifting Logan's cross is another facet of this. It could have been so cheesy but dammit they earned it.
One thing bugged me
Laura was an outlier in terms of fighting prowess I think, much like Logan. The rest were powerful but still, kids
PSN- AHermano
Yeah, I didn't agree with the idea that it has the Avengers flaw of it being a massive powers dazzle show at the end. The kids were (mostly) low key in their powers. Ice Breath girl is the best example of this.
But every life you touch takes a part of you with them.
Laura only knew professor X a few days, but she'll always remember that moment they shared watching a movie from a century ago.
That made me tear up.
I don't know about you guys but I was super hoping for Logan would get annoyed by Rictor's bossiness then it would turn out the kid shot lasers out of his eyes
It was pretty clear that the kids didn't want to kill. One of the nurse's videos showed a kid jump off of a building.
Even Laura only killed when she thought she was threatened. She could have killed Pierce at the beginning and saved a lot of trouble but all she did was knock him out.
some good instances of visual storytelling, too
weird!
ours had Angel of the Morning but no Stan Lee
The interactions between Laura and Xavier were so well done. Laura was created as an experiment, raised in a lab, and treated like a thing all her life. She has real human interaction with Xavier for the first time in her life. And Xavier is able to be a teacher one last time, to connect with a new student and teach her how to be human. It's heartwarming and heart wrenching at the same time.
This was the first time a movie really took care to show the inner life of this guy, beyond the cliche edgelord factor. We actually saw the cost of being the best at something not very nice, and instead of it being just a cheap play of badassery, it's genuinely tragic.
We'll still probably get plenty of time with Wolverine, but it won't be Jackman, and this movie means there are some pretty big shoes to fill.
I really liked this movie.
By far the worst shot in the movie was all the kids standing over the baddie as they use their powers on him
Which just like, A) Hey kids, maybe hurry it up so you can go save Logan?
And
breathing heavily in his general direction, with her ice breath plainly dissipating before it ever actually even reaches him
Yeah hey wait did anybody actually make the complaint that it turned into an Avengers free for all? When we talked about it in this thread our complaints were the exact opposite. That last fight seen feels like its bending to the budget in the way that all the previous X-men films have felt. Like suddenly there are a bunch of super powered kids and they aren't going to act in a way that makes sense and the way the scenes are shot and the characters pose gets kinda weird like with Icegirl.
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Im fine with that they could have defended themselves a bit better is all.
Yeah Pierce dying was the worst shot in the film. The actor didnt know what to do he just looked constipated. A shot of him on the ground and the kids circling him then a scream after they cut to Logan fighting would have been fine
At the dinner table when he finally relaxes and just talks and laughs and says he would choke on his words, it fucking broke me. It's just two old guys, with monumental respect and understanding of each just being honest, and OK with it because they love each other and it's OK to be critical of one another.
Satans..... hints.....
This will be here until I receive an apology or Weedlordvegeta get any consequences for being a bully