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    honoverehonovere Registered User regular
    It does feel like a kind of groundhog day thing where we have to repeat every day listening to the same bullshit from Trump with slight variations again and again.

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    Martini_PhilosopherMartini_Philosopher Registered User regular
    honovere wrote: »
    It does feel like a kind of groundhog day thing where we have to repeat every day listening to the same bullshit from Trump with slight variations again and again.

    That's because it's a great distraction for everything else going on at the same time.

    All opinions are my own and in no way reflect that of my employer.
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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Nothing to see here. Definitely not using the government to continue to enrich himself.
    President Trump’s budget calls for sharply reducing funding for programs that shelter the poor and combat homelessness — with a notable exception: It leaves intact a type of federal housing subsidy that is paid directly to private landlords.

    One of those landlords is Trump himself, who earns millions of dollars each year as a part-owner of Starrett City, the nation’s largest subsidized housing complex. Trump’s 4 percent stake in the Brooklyn complex earned him at least $5 million between January of last year and April 15, according to his recent financial disclosure.
    The federal government has paid the partnership that owns Starrett City more than $490 million in rent subsidies since May 2013, according to figures provided by a spokesman for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Nearly $38 million of that has come since Trump took office in January.
    Trump once called Starrett City “one of the best investments I ever made,” but it was his father who was an investor in its construction, according to a representative of Starrett City.
    “It’s a conflict, and it’s why everyone has pushed Trump to not only step away from his business interests but to divest them,” said Scott Amey, general counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, an independent watchdog organization.

    The project-based rental assistance program is one of only a few HUD programs that would be spared steep cuts under Trump’s proposed budget, which housing advocates have said would carry devastating consequences for the poor and the homeless.

    The administration has proposed reducing HUD’s overall budget by $7 billion, or about 15 percent. That includes cuts to two of the other programs that, together with the program that pays landlords directly, serve the vast majority of people who get federal housing assistance.

    The budget calls for a nearly 29 percent cut, or $1.8 billion, to public housing and a 5 percent drop, or nearly $1 billion, in vouchers that allow tenants to use the aid on the housing of their choice, according to Douglas Rice, a senior policy analyst at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. In contrast, the program that directs money to Starrett City and other privately owned housing would see a reduction of about half a percent, or $65 million, from its $10.8 billion allocation.

    “It certainly raises questions as to why that remained relatively flat while there were other cuts,” Amey said.

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    Mr KhanMr Khan Not Everyone WAHHHRegistered User regular
    The spike in LLC's could also be businesses and people not being seen as wanting to do business with Trump because it would tank their PR. It's what I would do.

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    That's some high grade corruption. This seems to be often repeated, and again the answer is repeated, there shouldn't be any doubt or need to question it in the first place. It doesn't matter if there is no evidence he personally ordered it.
    While there is no indication that Trump himself was involved in the decision, it is nonetheless a stark illustration of how his financial interests can directly rise or fall on the policies of his administration.

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Nothing to see here. Definitely not using the government to continue to enrich himself.
    President Trump’s budget calls for sharply reducing funding for programs that shelter the poor and combat homelessness — with a notable exception: It leaves intact a type of federal housing subsidy that is paid directly to private landlords.

    One of those landlords is Trump himself, who earns millions of dollars each year as a part-owner of Starrett City, the nation’s largest subsidized housing complex. Trump’s 4 percent stake in the Brooklyn complex earned him at least $5 million between January of last year and April 15, according to his recent financial disclosure.
    The federal government has paid the partnership that owns Starrett City more than $490 million in rent subsidies since May 2013, according to figures provided by a spokesman for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Nearly $38 million of that has come since Trump took office in January.
    Trump once called Starrett City “one of the best investments I ever made,” but it was his father who was an investor in its construction, according to a representative of Starrett City.
    “It’s a conflict, and it’s why everyone has pushed Trump to not only step away from his business interests but to divest them,” said Scott Amey, general counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, an independent watchdog organization.

    The project-based rental assistance program is one of only a few HUD programs that would be spared steep cuts under Trump’s proposed budget, which housing advocates have said would carry devastating consequences for the poor and the homeless.

    The administration has proposed reducing HUD’s overall budget by $7 billion, or about 15 percent. That includes cuts to two of the other programs that, together with the program that pays landlords directly, serve the vast majority of people who get federal housing assistance.

    The budget calls for a nearly 29 percent cut, or $1.8 billion, to public housing and a 5 percent drop, or nearly $1 billion, in vouchers that allow tenants to use the aid on the housing of their choice, according to Douglas Rice, a senior policy analyst at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. In contrast, the program that directs money to Starrett City and other privately owned housing would see a reduction of about half a percent, or $65 million, from its $10.8 billion allocation.

    “It certainly raises questions as to why that remained relatively flat while there were other cuts,” Amey said.

    Holy fucking fuckballs

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    OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    We're reading Rifts. You should too. You know you want to. Now With Ninjas!

    They tried to bury us. They didn't know that we were seeds. 2018 Midterms. Get your shit together.
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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    I mean, that's what he did the whole campaign too.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

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    SicariiSicarii The Roose is Loose Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

    Yeah but why wait to grift in two years when there's money to be made by grifting now?

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    That money totally won't be used to play legal fees.

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    ZibblsnrtZibblsnrt Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

    The concern is probably less the profit he can make from it and more the fact that starting his reelection campaign imposes legal restrictions on what nonprofits are allowed to say about him.

    This isn't about reelection, it's about silencing critics.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

    The concern is probably less the profit he can make from it and more the fact that starting his reelection campaign imposes legal restrictions on what nonprofits are allowed to say about him.

    This isn't about reelection, it's about silencing critics.

    That already took effect when he filed for reelection.

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    VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited June 2017
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

    The concern is probably less the profit he can make from it and more the fact that starting his reelection campaign imposes legal restrictions on what nonprofits are allowed to say about him.

    This isn't about reelection, it's about silencing critics.

    That already took effect when he filed for reelection.

    Which was the day he was inaugurated.

    Also, Snopes says it is false that non-profits can't criticize President Trump

    Veevee on
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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Veevee wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

    The concern is probably less the profit he can make from it and more the fact that starting his reelection campaign imposes legal restrictions on what nonprofits are allowed to say about him.

    This isn't about reelection, it's about silencing critics.

    That already took effect when he filed for reelection.

    Which was the day he was inaugurated.

    Also, Snopes says it is false that non-profits can't criticize President Trump
    That's not going to stop representiatives and pundits from saying it's NOT false. And in the current environment, perception "trumps" truth.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

    The concern is probably less the profit he can make from it and more the fact that starting his reelection campaign imposes legal restrictions on what nonprofits are allowed to say about him.

    This isn't about reelection, it's about silencing critics.

    That already took effect when he filed for reelection.

    Which was the day he was inaugurated.

    Also, Snopes says it is false that non-profits can't criticize President Trump
    That's not going to stop representiatives and pundits from saying it's NOT false. And in the current environment, perception "trumps" truth.

    and perhaps even more to the point, do you think he knows that?

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    joshofalltradesjoshofalltrades Class Traitor Smoke-filled roomRegistered User regular
    Man if there's one thing people will really love it's a never-ending campaign for the sole purpose of fundraising for Trump and Trump businesses

    Drain the swamp!

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

    Grift now, run away to nations without extradition treaties with the US later.

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    MorganV wrote: »
    Veevee wrote: »
    Zibblsnrt wrote: »
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    In a much lower octane but still infuriating case of obvious corruption, Trump has scheduled his first re-election campaign event at his DC hotel and is paying for the venue out of his PAC funds.

    Grifting like a champ.

    Six fucking months into his first term? Jesus fucking christ.

    Does he not think he'll still be able to use this particular grift in two years?

    The concern is probably less the profit he can make from it and more the fact that starting his reelection campaign imposes legal restrictions on what nonprofits are allowed to say about him.

    This isn't about reelection, it's about silencing critics.

    That already took effect when he filed for reelection.

    Which was the day he was inaugurated.

    Also, Snopes says it is false that non-profits can't criticize President Trump
    That's not going to stop representiatives and pundits from saying it's NOT false. And in the current environment, perception "trumps" truth.

    and perhaps even more to the point, do you think he knows that?

    Or cared if he did know.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Man if there's one thing people will really love it's a never-ending campaign for the sole purpose of fundraising for Trump and Trump businesses

    Drain the swamp!

    "The swamp" meant "Democrats" so it's working. Only Democrats interpreted it as meaning "corrupt career politicians." Republican voters knew what he meant.

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    Man if there's one thing people will really love it's a never-ending campaign for the sole purpose of fundraising for Trump and Trump businesses

    Drain the swamp!

    "The swamp" meant "Democrats" so it's working. Only Democrats interpreted it as meaning "corrupt career politicians." Republican voters knew what he meant.

    Like how populism doesn't actually mean "not appointing extremely rich people to office because you think poor people shouldn't be in those positions" to the GOP.

    NBC reporter:

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Man if there's one thing people will really love it's a never-ending campaign for the sole purpose of fundraising for Trump and Trump businesses

    Drain the swamp!

    "The swamp" meant "Democrats" so it's working. Only Democrats interpreted it as meaning "corrupt career politicians." Republican voters knew what he meant.

    Like how populism doesn't actually mean "not appointing extremely rich people to office because you think poor people shouldn't be in those positions" to the GOP.

    NBC reporter:

    "Not like you. No, I want the people who have fucked you, and are going to keep fucking you, as long as you're stupid enough to keep voting for them and me and against yourself."

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    DiplominatorDiplominator Hardcore Porg Registered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Man if there's one thing people will really love it's a never-ending campaign for the sole purpose of fundraising for Trump and Trump businesses

    Drain the swamp!

    "The swamp" meant "Democrats" so it's working. Only Democrats interpreted it as meaning "corrupt career politicians." Republican voters knew what he meant.

    Like how populism doesn't actually mean "not appointing extremely rich people to office because you think poor people shouldn't be in those positions" to the GOP.

    NBC reporter:

    That sign behind him is at best a gigantic number, if whatever calculator doesn't just throw an exception.

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    DedwrekkaDedwrekka Metal Hell adjacentRegistered User regular
    Couscous wrote: »
    Man if there's one thing people will really love it's a never-ending campaign for the sole purpose of fundraising for Trump and Trump businesses

    Drain the swamp!

    "The swamp" meant "Democrats" so it's working. Only Democrats interpreted it as meaning "corrupt career politicians." Republican voters knew what he meant.

    Like how populism doesn't actually mean "not appointing extremely rich people to office because you think poor people shouldn't be in those positions" to the GOP.

    NBC reporter:

    That sign behind him is at best a gigantic number, if whatever calculator doesn't just throw an exception.

    Can't divide by zero

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    "Populism" is generally a PC way of saying "racist politician." Have you noticed how all the European Nazis are referred to as "populist"? The press never refers to standard right-wing politicians in this way.

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    MayabirdMayabird Pecking at the keyboardRegistered User regular
    In incredibly petty corruption, one of Trump's golf courses is trying to cut its tax bill in half by claiming it's only worth half of what it's assessed by the town - while Trump himself claims it's worth over three times that amount. In the words of the town supervisor:
    And Gloria Fried, the receiver of taxes for Ossining, tells ABC that “it is very difficult when you see someone who has all these assets at his disposal who would rather pay lawyers to avoid his civic duty of paying taxes.”

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    Mr KhanMr Khan Not Everyone WAHHHRegistered User regular
    "Populism" is generally a PC way of saying "racist politician." Have you noticed how all the European Nazis are referred to as "populist"? The press never refers to standard right-wing politicians in this way.

    Strictist sense populism just means "give the people what they want," which historically has been salt-of-the-earth conservatism on social issues but generous economic welfare.

    It has a resemblance to Fascism, but populism is more "tyranny of the majority" than fascism's obsession with rule of a minority clique that presents the true will of the volk.

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    BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited June 2017
    Mayabird wrote: »
    In incredibly petty corruption, one of Trump's golf courses is trying to cut its tax bill in half by claiming it's only worth half of what it's assessed by the town - while Trump himself claims it's worth over three times that amount.

    Go with Donnie's number (since his personal assessment is a matter of public record) and triple the tax bill, and if he doesn't pay, try and eminent domain that shit.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Oh Christ, Trump is meeting with the IOC tomorrow. He's going to give them so much public money for the theoretical LA Olympics.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Oh Christ, Trump is meeting with the IOC tomorrow. He's going to give them so much public money for the theoretical Mar-a-lago Olympics.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited June 2017
    Oh Christ, Trump is meeting with the IOC tomorrow. He's going to give them so much public money for the theoretical LA Olympics.

    Turns out you can grift a grifter

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Elldren wrote: »
    Oh Christ, Trump is meeting with the IOC tomorrow. He's going to give them so much public money for the theoretical LA Olympics.

    Turns out you can grift a grifter

    They're not gritting him, though. He's the not the one paying and he still gets a big and lavish ceremony.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    "Populism" is generally a PC way of saying "racist politician." Have you noticed how all the European Nazis are referred to as "populist"? The press never refers to standard right-wing politicians in this way.
    I would say populism is about rallying the people, but it is ripe for abuse as a political phrase by racist people seeking power.

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    enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Elki wrote: »
    Elldren wrote: »
    Oh Christ, Trump is meeting with the IOC tomorrow. He's going to give them so much public money for the theoretical LA Olympics.

    Turns out you can grift a grifter

    They're not gritting him, though. He's the not the one paying and he still gets a big and lavish ceremony.

    Current rumor is it would be at least his successor (2028), actually. But yeah, it'd be American taxpayer money he'd steal and funnel to them, presumably.

    Self-righteousness is incompatible with coalition building.
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    SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    "Populism" is generally a PC way of saying "racist politician." Have you noticed how all the European Nazis are referred to as "populist"? The press never refers to standard right-wing politicians in this way.
    I would say populism is about rallying the people, but it is ripe for abuse as a political phrase by racist people seeking power.

    I mean, and NOT TO START A DERAIL, Bernie was totally a populist candidate. Obama as well.

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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Spoit wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    "Populism" is generally a PC way of saying "racist politician." Have you noticed how all the European Nazis are referred to as "populist"? The press never refers to standard right-wing politicians in this way.
    I would say populism is about rallying the people, but it is ripe for abuse as a political phrase by racist people seeking power.

    I mean, and NOT TO START A DERAIL, Bernie was totally a populist candidate. Obama as well.

    /wrenches train back on tracks

    No! Bad tangent!

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    Viskod wrote: »
    Nothing to see here. Definitely not using the government to continue to enrich himself.
    President Trump’s budget calls for sharply reducing funding for programs that shelter the poor and combat homelessness — with a notable exception: It leaves intact a type of federal housing subsidy that is paid directly to private landlords.

    One of those landlords is Trump himself, who earns millions of dollars each year as a part-owner of Starrett City, the nation’s largest subsidized housing complex. Trump’s 4 percent stake in the Brooklyn complex earned him at least $5 million between January of last year and April 15, according to his recent financial disclosure.
    The federal government has paid the partnership that owns Starrett City more than $490 million in rent subsidies since May 2013, according to figures provided by a spokesman for the Department of Housing and Urban Development. Nearly $38 million of that has come since Trump took office in January.
    Trump once called Starrett City “one of the best investments I ever made,” but it was his father who was an investor in its construction, according to a representative of Starrett City.
    “It’s a conflict, and it’s why everyone has pushed Trump to not only step away from his business interests but to divest them,” said Scott Amey, general counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, an independent watchdog organization.

    The project-based rental assistance program is one of only a few HUD programs that would be spared steep cuts under Trump’s proposed budget, which housing advocates have said would carry devastating consequences for the poor and the homeless.

    The administration has proposed reducing HUD’s overall budget by $7 billion, or about 15 percent. That includes cuts to two of the other programs that, together with the program that pays landlords directly, serve the vast majority of people who get federal housing assistance.

    The budget calls for a nearly 29 percent cut, or $1.8 billion, to public housing and a 5 percent drop, or nearly $1 billion, in vouchers that allow tenants to use the aid on the housing of their choice, according to Douglas Rice, a senior policy analyst at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. In contrast, the program that directs money to Starrett City and other privately owned housing would see a reduction of about half a percent, or $65 million, from its $10.8 billion allocation.

    “It certainly raises questions as to why that remained relatively flat while there were other cuts,” Amey said.

    This really is just the cherry on the whole thing
    Trump once called Starrett City “one of the best investments I ever made,” but it was his father who was an investor in its construction, according to a representative of Starrett City.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    Oh Christ, Trump is meeting with the IOC tomorrow. He's going to give them so much public money for the theoretical LA Olympics.

    This would still require Los Angeles to make a bid and that's up in the air as to if they even will after witnessing the previous ones and their disastrous effects.

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    VishNubVishNub Registered User regular
    Madican wrote: »
    Oh Christ, Trump is meeting with the IOC tomorrow. He's going to give them so much public money for the theoretical LA Olympics.

    This would still require Los Angeles to make a bid and that's up in the air as to if they even will after witnessing the previous ones and their disastrous effects.

    The LA mayor was on Pod Save America a few weeks back and seemed pretty enthusiastic about the whole thing. He *said* that it would be profitable. I don't know if I believe that, but they're in a better starting position than Rio was for sure.

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    MadicanMadican No face Registered User regular
    VishNub wrote: »
    Madican wrote: »
    Oh Christ, Trump is meeting with the IOC tomorrow. He's going to give them so much public money for the theoretical LA Olympics.

    This would still require Los Angeles to make a bid and that's up in the air as to if they even will after witnessing the previous ones and their disastrous effects.

    The LA mayor was on Pod Save America a few weeks back and seemed pretty enthusiastic about the whole thing. He *said* that it would be profitable. I don't know if I believe that, but they're in a better starting position than Rio was for sure.

    If he even thinks about making a serious offer in the face of all this IOC corruption then I'm going to be one of many who send very angry messages to him.

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