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  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    bowen wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I was having a discussion with friends the other day about vidya game themes

    knights of the round table came up as the theme

    which led into a discussion about "women can't be knights"

    to which I said, "... why not?"

    I guess I'm liberal now.

    I wonder if there's not a half-bad definition argument to be made

    Like, no, by definition, they cannot, because that is a relic of that period of time - the feudal system and championship and women as chattel

    There were a few woman who were knighted (though referred to as Dames in some instances).

    A few of them went into combat like Joan of Arc and one of the medieval Queens whose name is escaping me at the moment.

    Hm yeah I totally don't care about historical accuracy; and I do kind of like the concept that women can't be knights in whatever fictional setting, because it sets up stories where women are knights anyway despite various difficulties, and that is a favorite storyline of mine.

    credeiki on
    Steam, LoL: credeiki
  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    I was reading a reddit thread on how quickly people have fucked their lives over. A lot of them involve heroin. Even one time... apparently it is the most addictive thing ever.

    But now I'm reading this!

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a46918/heroin-mexico-el-chapo-cartels-don-winslow/

  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Also one of the biggest alt-right mini-boss type dudes is The Based Stickman aka the Alt-Knight. He just got arrested and last I checked is currently in jail from the Berkley riots a few days ago.

    He put together a guide on how to disguise a stick capable of being used as a weapon as a flag pole. He's incited a lot of violence etc.

  • SummaryJudgmentSummaryJudgment Grab the hottest iron you can find, stride in the Tower’s front door Registered User regular
    whoa

    just learned you can disable javascript for individual websites in chrome and bypass paywalls on sites like WashingtonPost

    incognito mode does it too

    havent tried WaPo but NYT at least

  • BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Work Left Unfinished Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    BeNarwhal wrote: »
    By the way, space fans, a weird thing happened today: 2 people launched to the International Space Station earlier today.

    On a Soyuz. Fits three people.

    They launched two.

    Russia is apparently scaling back its participating onboard the ISS (funding issues, surprise), but like ... room for one more! Canada? ESA? Japan? Anyone? No? ... Okay. I guess no one wants to go into space today.

    And so two men were launched to the ISS earlier today.

    wtf they didn't even ask me

    I mean, they probably would have asked you for $150 million, but still

    Between the two of us, we could pool that together, right?

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    Actually, nowadays I mostly see Trump-voters described as "snowflakes".

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    desc wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    they coopted kek wat

    This one is actually interesting.

    The Cult of Kek/Kek the religion
    A joke based on the fact that there is an ancient Egyptian deity named Kek, who is supposedly a god of chaos and darkness and just so happens to be sometimes depicted as a frog — like Pepe. The joke is that Pepe is a modern incarnation of Kek, and fans of Pepe worship him.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/katienotopoulos/a-normal-persons-guide-to-how-far-right-trolls-talk-to-each?utm_term=.cjaPG3kZ0#.ihPBZMrmL

    The entire alt-right is a gamefaqs message board troll argument that became too real

    well 4chan so its like, one layer beneath gamefaqs

    the internet is like the rolls of an impossibly fat man and the alt right is somewhere well down past anywhere that gets cleaned and fungus is growing

  • CoinageCoinage Heaviside LayerRegistered User regular
    Excellent college Democrats here annoy me by saying "lit" all the time, now I can call them racist and maybe they'll stop.

    Happiness is within reach!
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Honk wrote: »
    I feel like any twist there's no chance to figure out honestly is a bad twist. There should be clues that could be used to anticipate the twist, and when you don't figure it out it's still fun to think back on them and go "Ooooh!".

    Any twist where they just go actually X was Y all along without any leadup is just poor showmanship.

    it's like the opposite of chekhov's gun

    if someone fires a gun in act 3 it sure as hell better have been on the wall over the mantle in act 1 or it's just stupid

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • aiouaaioua Ora Occidens Ora OptimaRegistered User regular
    I never understood what "based" was supposed to mean in the first place.

    life's a game that you're bound to lose / like using a hammer to pound in screws
    fuck up once and you break your thumb / if you're happy at all then you're god damn dumb
    that's right we're on a fucked up cruise / God is dead but at least we have booze
    bad things happen, no one knows why / the sun burns out and everyone dies
  • Element BrianElement Brian Peanut Butter Shill Registered User regular
    whoa

    just learned you can disable javascript for individual websites in chrome and bypass paywalls on sites like WashingtonPost

    incognito mode does it too

    havent tried WaPo but NYT at least

    pretty sure i'd tried incognito and it didn't work for me

    thing is i try to read sites like that at work, but since i'm at a company with like 500 people, i think they only allow a certain visits per ip address or something?

    anyway went ahead and disabled js for wapo and yeah it works fine now whereas before i almost never was able to get onto their site

    Switch FC code:SW-2130-4285-0059

    Arch,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_goGR39m2k
  • OnTheLastCastleOnTheLastCastle let's keep it haimish for the peripatetic Registered User regular
    Kosh once wrote a good post about twists in sci fi being best when they're not really twists and more of an opening up of perspective, a broader realization of context and thus a recontextualizing of important facts

    This is hard to execute and failure is common, e.g. mass effect

    The twist in Sixth Sense is so powerful because you realize no one had interacted with him all movie except the kid. It is an altering of how you were viewing the entire movie.

    So yeah your point exactly.

  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I was having a discussion with friends the other day about vidya game themes

    knights of the round table came up as the theme

    which led into a discussion about "women can't be knights"

    to which I said, "... why not?"

    I guess I'm liberal now.

    I wonder if there's not a half-bad definition argument to be made

    Like, no, by definition, they cannot, because that is a relic of that period of time - the feudal system and championship and women as chattel

    There were a few woman who were knighted (though referred to as Dames in some instances).

    A few of them went into combat like Joan of Arc and one of the medieval Queens whose name is escaping me at the moment.

    Right, but I'm getting at, like

    Is it an act of erasure of a horrible history to retcon women as knights when knights were part of this system of repression against women

    it's a fantasy universe so, no?

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    there's nothing wrong with doing a fictional world that has similar gender roles to our own at a given point in society, but to say one can't do that is silly

    like I mentioned to a guy I know I was reading the first malazan book and he was like "but the ultrabadass empress' adjunct is a thin lady that doesn't make any sense"

    right the elite imperial soldier with the magical sword traveling the land with a zombie is unrealistic because she's a woman

    this is a particular white whale for me as a writer

    too many fantasy writers, in particular, use this as an excuse to just be brutal towards female characters because "that's how it was"

    oh yeah, back then, when dragons were real, huh

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    @SummaryJudgment

    in fact, Arthur in particular created the round table because he found himself not to be different from his subordinates, and held that camelot should be different from most kingdoms and that free people should be respected

    He, of all fictional characters, should be the one that respects that women can be knights just as much as men can be knights. Of all the characters, I think it fits best with him.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Aioua wrote: »
    I never understood what "based" was supposed to mean in the first place.

    Someone you conflict with if you are an acid.

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    edited April 2017
    I have found that the new Star Trek movies have all been completely terrible - just completely irredeemable and lowbrow

    I honestly had so much more faith in Simon Pegg and that raw betrayal was the best thing about any of this

    Eddy on
    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • Sir LandsharkSir Landshark resting shark face Registered User regular
    what are you referencing exactly in ME, EM?

    ME1 plot
    I thought the "twist" that sarans ship was actually a sentient being called a reaper was handled fine. The ultimate resolution of the reapers and their motivations and so on in the later games was rather weak, but i thought that was a decent reveal of the broader crisis.

    Please consider the environment before printing this post.
  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    But I am very sorry if me saying things like "you shouldn't say that, it's alt right language" comes off as judgemental or condescending.

    I don't mean it that way. I just don't want my friends to be inadvertently signaling people I know they disagree viruntly with.

    It's not like I'm braid tugging or fretting or being offended.

    I'm just trying to look out for people.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Kosh once wrote a good post about twists in sci fi being best when they're not really twists and more of an opening up of perspective, a broader realization of context and thus a recontextualizing of important facts

    This is hard to execute and failure is common, e.g. mass effect

    I really liked rewatching Memento because of this,

  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Eddy wrote: »
    I have found that the new Star Trek movies have all been completely terrible - just completely irredeemable and lowbrow

    I honestly had so much more faith in Simon Pegg and that raw betrayal was the best thing about any of this

    i have liked them a lot

    but in the way i like candy

    like every once in a while it's good

    but too much of it and i feel sick

    and i don't want it all the time

    and my mom didn't let me have any until i was like 6 years old and even then it was bullshit like star crunch

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    anyway the newer star trek movies are dumb af but i enjoy the hell out of them

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    But I am very sorry if me saying things like "you shouldn't say that, it's alt right language" comes off as judgemental or condescending.

    I don't mean it that way. I just don't want my friends to be inadvertently signaling people I know they disagree viruntly with.

    It's not like I'm braid tugging or fretting or being offended.

    I'm just trying to look out for people.

    alt-right would get shit on pretty fast by tube

    they probably wouldn't even make it more than 2-3 pages in chat

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    if you are writing fantasy, like actual fantasy

    with magic and dragons and shit

    be very careful of what kind of verisimilitude you're seeking

    because you're not looking for "realism", because there's fuckin' dragons and goblins and whatever in your story

    but obviously you're looking for something equatable to the real world that people reading it can relate to, even if (especially if) it's not historical fantasy but a whole-cloth fantasy world that does not and has not ever existed

    which means everything you throw in is a conscious choice, and should be done with some care and deliberation

    for example, having rampant institutional sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. is like... why exactly?

    what does this add to your fantasy, as a texture

    is there any specific reason for it, are you making any statement about those things, are they intrinsic to the arc or journey of any specific protagonist?

    if the answer is no, then you're probably just throwing it in there to justify a rape scene or some shit

    and you need to love yourself more

  • PLAPLA The process.Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I was having a discussion with friends the other day about vidya game themes

    knights of the round table came up as the theme

    which led into a discussion about "women can't be knights"

    to which I said, "... why not?"

    I guess I'm liberal now.

    These guys need to read some Tamora Pierce books.

    yeah it delved deep into "but they're Dames not knights" and I was like

    "listen here you little shits"

    and basically said, " 'Knight of the Round Table' is the title given by Arthur, and it's a fictional title to begin with, so fuck your pedantry"

    A dame is a knight. That's sort of the point.

  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    what are you referencing exactly in ME, EM?

    ME1 plot
    I thought the "twist" that sarans ship was actually a sentient being called a reaper was handled fine. The ultimate resolution of the reapers and their motivations and so on in the later games was rather weak, but i thought that was a decent reveal of the broader crisis.

    The specific point where that happens is one of the coolest moments ever.
    RUDIMENTARY CREATURE OF BLOOD AND FLESH.

  • ShivahnShivahn Unaware of her barrel shifter privilege Western coastal temptressRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Vanguard wrote: »
    I was reading a reddit thread on how quickly people have fucked their lives over. A lot of them involve heroin. Even one time... apparently it is the most addictive thing ever.

    But now I'm reading this!

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a46918/heroin-mexico-el-chapo-cartels-don-winslow/

    That's somewhat misleading. The majority of people who do Heroin will not become addicted. Most won't even repeat the experience.

    The minority that do, and keep doing it, tend to organize their lives around it and will likely spend the rest of their life fighting that addiction.

    Alcohol is far, far more destructive in the aggregate.

    Base raaaaate

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    Ludious wrote: »
    But I am very sorry if me saying things like "you shouldn't say that, it's alt right language" comes off as judgemental or condescending.

    I don't mean it that way. I just don't want my friends to be inadvertently signaling people I know they disagree viruntly with.

    It's not like I'm braid tugging or fretting or being offended.

    I'm just trying to look out for people.

    alt-right would get shit on pretty fast by tube

    they probably wouldn't even make it more than 2-3 pages in chat

    but bowen

    we're a leading beacon of alt-right thought and terminology

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
  • FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Kosh once wrote a good post about twists in sci fi being best when they're not really twists and more of an opening up of perspective, a broader realization of context and thus a recontextualizing of important facts

    This is hard to execute and failure is common, e.g. mass effect

    This is basically the purpose of anagnorisis, right?

    An example of that done well in Star Trek is the Eddington arc in Deep Space Nine:
    Eddington embodies the author's criticisms of Roddenberry's vision. He is explicitly critical of the Federation in a way that subverts the common plot structure of TNG. "You're worse than the Borg," he says, referring not just to the Federation in that specific episode but also to how Star Trek often involves the Enterprise happily spreading Terran values around the universe.

    In the MCU, I actually liked the plot twist in Iron Man 3. I know it fell flat for some people, but it worked for me:
    The Mandarin turns out to be an actor. This, first off, dodges the Fu Manchu stereotype that is a minefield for any depiction of the Mandarin. More importantly, this is a metaphor for exaggerated fears of foreign terrorism and how the powers that be (corporations, the government, media) exploit footage of terrorism to push their policy goals.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
  • ChanusChanus Harbinger of the Spicy Rooster Apocalypse The Flames of a Thousand Collapsed StarsRegistered User, Moderator mod
    PLA wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    credeiki wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    I was having a discussion with friends the other day about vidya game themes

    knights of the round table came up as the theme

    which led into a discussion about "women can't be knights"

    to which I said, "... why not?"

    I guess I'm liberal now.

    These guys need to read some Tamora Pierce books.

    yeah it delved deep into "but they're Dames not knights" and I was like

    "listen here you little shits"

    and basically said, " 'Knight of the Round Table' is the title given by Arthur, and it's a fictional title to begin with, so fuck your pedantry"

    A dame is a knight. That's sort of the point.

    separate but equal

    Allegedly a voice of reason.
  • credeikicredeiki Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    if you are writing fantasy, like actual fantasy

    why exactly?

    lemme condense this post

    :(

    Steam, LoL: credeiki
  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    if you are writing fantasy, like actual fantasy

    with magic and dragons and shit

    be very careful of what kind of verisimilitude you're seeking

    because you're not looking for "realism", because there's fuckin' dragons and goblins and whatever in your story

    but obviously you're looking for something equatable to the real world that people reading it can relate to, even if (especially if) it's not historical fantasy but a whole-cloth fantasy world that does not and has not ever existed

    which means everything you throw in is a conscious choice, and should be done with some care and deliberation

    for example, having rampant institutional sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. is like... why exactly?

    what does this add to your fantasy, as a texture

    is there any specific reason for it, are you making any statement about those things, are they intrinsic to the arc or journey of any specific protagonist?

    if the answer is no, then you're probably just throwing it in there to justify a rape scene or some shit

    and you need to love yourself more

    Yeah that was my whole defense. Who gives a shit about what happened in medieval Europe.

    Elves and dragons and wizards didn't happen so why should we pay lip service to the terrible garbage that happened with human rights during that time period? Less dark ages, more dnd fantasy realm.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
  • Havelock3.0Havelock3.0 What are you? Some kind of half-assed astronaut?Registered User regular
    I remember the good old days

    When "cuckold" was only used in Shakespeare's plays

    You go in the cage, cage goes in the water, you go in the water. Shark's in the water, our shark.
  • LudiousLudious I just wanted a sandwich A temporally dislocated QuiznosRegistered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    if you are writing fantasy, like actual fantasy

    why exactly?

    lemme condescend this post

    ftfy

  • override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    there's nothing wrong with doing a fictional world that has similar gender roles to our own at a given point in society, but to say one can't do that is silly

    like I mentioned to a guy I know I was reading the first malazan book and he was like "but the ultrabadass empress' adjunct is a thin lady that doesn't make any sense"

    right the elite imperial soldier with the magical sword traveling the land with a zombie is unrealistic because she's a woman

    this is a particular white whale for me as a writer

    too many fantasy writers, in particular, use this as an excuse to just be brutal towards female characters because "that's how it was"

    oh yeah, back then, when dragons were real, huh

    I think, like comedy, it takes a pretty good writer to not just be creepy about it

    I think Martin does an admirable job of presenting a clearly patriarchal society with lots of violence without ever fetishizing violence against women

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Dame does not in any way shape or form sound at all similar to knight. If you told me they were equal in standing I'd laugh in your face.

    "Yeah and Maid and Captain are the same rank."

    I would like some money because these are artisanal nuggets of wisdom philistine.

    pleasepaypreacher.net
  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    Ludious wrote: »
    But I am very sorry if me saying things like "you shouldn't say that, it's alt right language" comes off as judgemental or condescending.

    I don't mean it that way. I just don't want my friends to be inadvertently signaling people I know they disagree viruntly with.

    It's not like I'm braid tugging or fretting or being offended.

    I'm just trying to look out for people.

    I'm more of the opinion of "fuck them, they don't get to have nice things"

    So if someone's like "oh that term is an alt-right thing" and I wasn't using it in that way or incorrectly or anything, well screw them they don't get to have things because they're assholes. And if someone comes up and is like "Oh wink wink we get what you're saying" then I will throw them in the garbage while explaining myself.

    Don't give the idiots more power than they deserve.

    But this is not a hard and fast rule and works better on some things than others.

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