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Penny Arcade - Comic - New Things Are Bad

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edited May 8 in The Penny Arcade Hub

imagePenny Arcade - Comic - New Things Are Bad

Videogaming-related online strip by Mike Krahulik and Jerry Holkins. Includes news and commentary.

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  • Hanktheguy Hanktheguy Registered User regular
    i dont get it what do they mean

  • Skull2185Skull2185 Charging Star! Registered User regular
    What constitutes a millennial? I was born in 1985, am I a millennial? I've been told that I am, but I don't get into all that silly shit, and I don't dress all hipstery either.

  • UshioUshio Registered User regular
    edited May 8
    Millennial generation - those born between 1976 - 2006 (a generation is normally considered 30 years.)
    Baby boomer gen has a 20 year time span and Gen X has a 10 year time span both shorter due to the rapid tech and social changes of the mid 20th century.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    how the fuck old are mike and jerry that they can talk about millennials as if they are not them?

  • LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    I always assumed millennial meant people born after the millennium. Like people born 2001 to present. Y'know, kids.

    Maybe instead of silly nicknames, which are vague and abstract, we could just use a more concrete system. Like numbers. Decades would work perfectly in this situation. So instead of calling someone a millennial, which nobody can seem to agree upon when and how far back that goes, instead we just call them the 00's. Or the 10's.

    That's pronounced "oh-oh" if you didn't realize that. So instead of saying "Damn those millennials and their newfangled ways" a person could instead say "Damn those Oh-ohs and their newfangled ways" and it would be much less ambiguous because then we would know that they were talking about someone born between 2000-2010.

  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    Pony wrote: »
    how the fuck old are mike and jerry that they can talk about millennials as if they are not them?

    They're both in their 40s, which is beyond even the most generous definition of "millennial"

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    Having teenaged RPG leads is really cool until you stop being a teenager yourself. Do you remember being seventeen? You're a dumbass at seventeen! I wanna be saved by the guy who's twenty-seven. He's at least payed taxes. He knows how to do shit. He can drive.
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  • DemonStaceyDemonStacey TTODewback's Daughter In love with the TaySwayRegistered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    I always assumed millennial meant people born after the millennium. Like people born 2001 to present. Y'know, kids.

    Maybe instead of silly nicknames, which are vague and abstract, we could just use a more concrete system. Like numbers. Decades would work perfectly in this situation. So instead of calling someone a millennial, which nobody can seem to agree upon when and how far back that goes, instead we just call them the 00's. Or the 10's.

    That's pronounced "oh-oh" if you didn't realize that. So instead of saying "Damn those millennials and their newfangled ways" a person could instead say "Damn those Oh-ohs and their newfangled ways" and it would be much less ambiguous because then we would know that they were talking about someone born between 2000-2010.

    Well millennials def doesn't mean 2001 on. That would only cover teenagers. Most conversations about millennials are about adults.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    Pony wrote: »
    how the fuck old are mike and jerry that they can talk about millennials as if they are not them?

    They're both in their 40s, which is beyond even the most generous definition of "millennial"

    huh!

  • KalTorakKalTorak Way up inside your butthole, Morty. WAAAAY up inside there.Registered User regular
    I recently saw an article blaming millenials for the casino business being in trouble, because we're so wrapped up in our phones and our Candy Crushes that we can't be bothered to develop a nice traditional gambling addiction.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Noxalas! Registered User regular
    I'm a fan of this article, which highlights this ridiculous trend by inverting it: https://byrslf.co/why-arent-baby-boomers-eating-pho-e4792e66d56e

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  • HenroidHenroid How do you get a centrist to change their mind? Take away their privilege.Registered User regular
    There are a lot of amazing articles out there about various things "millennials" are "ruining." One of them was, I shit you not, about bar soap.

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  • SporfSporf Registered User new member
    edited May 8
    Ushio wrote: »
    Millennial generation - those born between 1976 - 2006 (a generation is normally considered 30 years.)
    Baby boomer gen has a 20 year time span and Gen X has a 10 year time span both shorter due to the rapid tech and social changes of the mid 20th century.

    Not quite. A generation is roughly 20 years not 30. Although clearly defining when one ends and another begins is something that sociologists don't always agree on and they aren't all nice round numbers but that's the basic idea. Generally, Generation X was born between 1960 and 1980* Millennials are born between 1980* to 2000*. The earliest Millennial are now in their 30's while the last of them are just getting out of high school. The first of Generation "Z" will be voting soon.

    Edit: Re looking some things up X begins mid 1965's but goes to 1980. The only generation with clear lines are the Boomers 1946-1964 since they are defined by a clear event ie. the baby boom.


    *1-although some people will put it ending at 1979 and some at 1981
    *2-or whenever, whatever sociologists paper says "X" ended
    *3-Sometimes 2001

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    edited May 8
    To find out which generation you are in, check the last three digits of your serial number.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Noxalas! Registered User regular
    dennis wrote: »
    To find out which generation you are in, check the last three digits of your serial number.

    I'm not shaving my head and finding two mirrors just to check, that's why we're trying to figure it out based on year.

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Delzhand wrote: »
    dennis wrote: »
    To find out which generation you are in, check the last three digits of your serial number.

    I'm not shaving my head and finding two mirrors just to check, that's why we're trying to figure it out based on year.

    Have you checked your receipt? They started putting serial numbers on them to prevent you from returning used units.

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    So I always feel sympathy whenever I see an article about how millennials are or what millennials are supposedly like. Media can’t decide whether to shame them or wring them out; they’re shiftless rodents, but they’ve also managed to disrupt every industry…? People build tools to live, and they make them from novel materials. I don’t recognize them but they seem to work for you. The only advice I would give is to start seeing yourself in this continuum sooner than later, because it’s going to help you a lot when the generation after you is injecting Yeezys into their eyeballs to get high. It’ll give you a ground floor to help you process your obsolescence.

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  • shadowysea07shadowysea07 Registered User regular
    @KALTORAK But I like hitting candy with a ballpeen hammer :(

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    I didn't see this as anything but making fun of themselves/and all the dumb "MILLENIALS!" media out there.

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  • PavioPavio Registered User regular
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    What constitutes a millennial? I was born in 1985, am I a millennial? I've been told that I am, but I don't get into all that silly shit, and I don't dress all hipstery either.

    Right? I was also born in the mid 80's, and my friends in high school and college do not fit the mold we hear about with millenials. I have been managing people in their early 20's for the last 4 years and it is a different world with them.

    I knew going into work that my phone was going to be at least muted and out of sight or I was not going to have a job anymore. Now, we have rules that say, "well, as long as you're not with a customer". How messed up is that? And the reason is that employees were quitting because we were too strict with phones.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    Pavio wrote: »
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    What constitutes a millennial? I was born in 1985, am I a millennial? I've been told that I am, but I don't get into all that silly shit, and I don't dress all hipstery either.

    Right? I was also born in the mid 80's, and my friends in high school and college do not fit the mold we hear about with millenials. I have been managing people in their early 20's for the last 4 years and it is a different world with them.

    I knew going into work that my phone was going to be at least muted and out of sight or I was not going to have a job anymore. Now, we have rules that say, "well, as long as you're not with a customer". How messed up is that? And the reason is that employees were quitting because we were too strict with phones.

    Well first thing is most age groupings are bullshit, so keep that in mind. Adam ruins everything went over this, but its just a marketing phrase and has no actual basis even in general most of the time.

    There aren't millenial guys, and gen x guys, there's just a bunch of guys.

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  • cckerberoscckerberos Registered User regular
    Pavio wrote: »
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    What constitutes a millennial? I was born in 1985, am I a millennial? I've been told that I am, but I don't get into all that silly shit, and I don't dress all hipstery either.

    Right? I was also born in the mid 80's, and my friends in high school and college do not fit the mold we hear about with millenials. I have been managing people in their early 20's for the last 4 years and it is a different world with them.

    I've always thought of millennials as people who grew up with the Internet. That doesn't match the definition sociologists use but since when did the public care about that?

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  • Golden YakGolden Yak Burnished Bovine The PIT, level 26Registered User regular
    Skull2185 wrote: »
    What constitutes a millennial? I was born in 1985, am I a millennial? I've been told that I am, but I don't get into all that silly shit, and I don't dress all hipstery either.

    I've most often heard it described as 'people who technically became adults (18+) after the year 2000.'

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  • wallywestwallywest Registered User regular
    Yeah, Mike and Jerry are gen X. As am I, born in 1973.

    I've always considered Millinnials as people born at the earliest 1985 or so. Basically people who were teenagers for Y2K. In a broader sense, it's the first generation that grew up in the high tech, smartphones everywhere, internet as a basic human right kind of environment. The oldest of this group are now in their 30's and generally fall into the kind of people who should get the fuck off my lawn. They get blamed for global warming, North Korea, and texting while driving (in no particular order).

    In the 90's the baby boomers were blaming gen X slackers like myself for all of our problems. It's the circle of life. *cue Elton John*

  • Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    edited May 9
    Whereas for me, the Internet was something that happened in college. Literally, that was how you got on the Internet; you went to a university, some (not all) of which were on the net. USEnet's discussion groups had just gone through the great renaming and some emails still used manual routing through bang(!)-paths. Every September, a new batch of n00bs would be dumped into the hopper and make fools of themselves in all the familiar ways; there were always some who flunked out, neglecting their studies in favor of their new addiction. Then along came AOL, opening the floodgates by granting their vast, clueless userbase access to the "information superhighway", bringing on the age of "Eternal September."

    I remember the first spam, and the sheer outrage that accompanied it - this pair of shyster lawyers from Back East had rolled into our little frontier town, hung out their shingle, and were promptly and rightfully lynched for it. But they were only the first, and there was no stopping the tide.

    I also got to see the birth of the World Wide Web, from its roots in FIDO and FTP sites to its larval form - mostly black and white photos suspended in a blank grey sea, as rendered by Netscape Navigator. All the text was black and the links blue, because it was about presenting information, not making it look pretty. I remember when the Web went full-color and when urls started popping up on billboards. I remember Geocities and Tripod and AltaVista; webrings and "under construction" gifs and auto-playing midi files. eBay and Amazon, the dot.com boom, and bust...

    All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... unless they got backed up on the Archive or GoogleGroups.
    *flutter*

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    Man so apparently I'm some kind of inbetweener being born in 1980 I'm either millennial or gen x depending on your definition.

    I have no concrete place in the terminology of generations! :(

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  • bwaniebwanie Posting into the void Registered User regular
    If you've watched the smurfs original airings you're gen X

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  • Jakk FrostJakk Frost Registered User regular
    Well, to quote myself from a few years ago, we've had Baby Boomers, Gen X, and Gen Y/Millennials. The next generation is being called the Snowflake Generation.

    In other words, Winter is Coming.

  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    What I can't stand about people who call anyone "snowflakes" is its a huge projection.

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Whereas for me, the Internet was something that happened in college.
    (...)

    Right there with you, and your post brought back a lot of memories. I think at least half of our flunkouts were from MUDs, though. It was neat in that people could only use terminals in the computer labs (our dorm was at the cutting edge of getting in-room ethernet, but that was really only rolling out towards the end of my time in it). This made it kind of like a LAN party every night. Especially since I was in the "nerd dorm."
    I also got to see the birth of the World Wide Web, from its roots in FIDO and FTP sites to its larval form - mostly black and white photos suspended in a blank grey sea, as rendered by Netscape Navigator. All the text was black and the links blue, because it was about presenting information, not making it look pretty.

    Hey, man, you know it was INCREDIBLY pretty when your previous interface was gopher. :D My first experience was using Mosaic on some unix box. So you had the novelty of this web browser along with the novelty of the different UI conventions in X.
    All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain... unless they got backed up on the Archive or GoogleGroups.
    *flutter*

    I'm still pretty sad that we've moved on from he monolithic usenet to scattered web forums. It's so much harder to find stuff these days. So much duplication and repitition. And Google silently abandoned the fixing the broken advanced search for their usenet archives so good luck ever finding those tears.

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  • ZomagicZomagic Registered User regular
    edited May 9
    Sigh. This discussion, every time, I swear. Look people, if you were born in the 80's or 90's, you're probably a millennial. If it was the early 80's, might be Gen X, but you also might not. There's no way to put an EXACT number on it, because it has more to do with the attributes that are true of your upbringing, your life experience, and how you are tuned psychologically. But even then, things are getting a bit shaky, and I think that the science or study of generations is going to need some tweaking. Certainly there's no way to make a precise science out of it but...

    Let's just make an example. If you sat down and asked random people from which generation they think the following people come from: A pair of guys, who are best friends, whose living is made by monetizing an online comic and a series of videos of them playing Dungeons & Dragons, AND that those same guys play Pokemon as adults. That they have children, and the oldest of those children are around 10-ish. I can promise that preeeeetty much everyone is going to guess millennial.

    And yet here those same guys are, making jokes about millennials, because they are supposedly Gen X. And they DO have some Gen X qualities, for sure, but they also have a TON of millennial qualities. We're getting a lot more grey areas, people who are in these strange between spaces, where they don't quite fit here or there. Society changes at the speed at which new and better ideas can pervade, and unlike all of time before roughly 1990, that speed is now practically instantaneous.

    And as a complete tangent, I feel like generations should be defined by historians, about 100 years after the fact, not jackasses who are still alive now, and want to talk about how bad the generation in the range of 18 to 35 is all the time. I mean, seriously, let's just cut it out. How can anyone define what anyone else is like, when those people are still living and growing and becoming whatever they ultimately will be? Whole thing is a stupid idea, IMO.

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Zomagic wrote: »
    Sigh. This discussion, every time, I swear. Look people, if you were born in the 80's or 90's, you're probably a millennial. If it was the early 80's, might be Gen X, but you also might not. There's no way to put an EXACT number on it, because it has more to do with the attributes that are true of your upbringing, your life experience, and how you are tuned psychologically.

    Enh, just give it another decade or so. The generation label is mainly used so people can gripe about the next set of young people. You don't hear nearly as much Gen X talk as you used to when I was in my 20s.
    We've also become a society where, due to the accessibility of the internet, and sharing our ideas, values, and hobbies, it's much harder to define the qualities of a generation. We're no longer in the feedback loop of redefining our parents' values because we hate our parents' generation. Everyone's just sharing ideas all the time.

    Possibly. But then who knows what comes next. We may have the VR Generation. Then the Wetware Generation. Then the Hive Mind Generation. Then the Singularity Generation. On the plus side, that's the last one we'll have to worry about.

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  • TubeTube Administrator, ClubPA admin
    It's interesting that so many people interpret this comic as being at the expense of millennials rather than mocking attitudes towards them.

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  • dennisdennis Registered User regular
    Tube wrote: »
    It's interesting that so many people interpret this comic as being at the expense of millennials rather than mocking attitudes towards them.

    Where? In this thread? I didn't really see that. I checked back over it to be sure. I think most everybody here got it, at least.

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  • poipoigirlpoipoigirl Registered User regular
    I always thought that millennials started in the 199's cause that's when the phrase was created. It's a little unfair that 1980's got lumped in that.

  • JepheryJephery Registered User regular
    edited May 9
    To me, as a game industry millennial, millennials consist of the people who pirated anime and games off of IRC channels in the dark age of dial up.

    We had no money to feed our interest in anime (starting with Sailor Moon and DBZ on early morning weekend shows) and gaming, so we did shady shit.

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    From my memory, the Millennial Generation started with the people who graduated High School or started Post-Secondary education during the year 2000.
    The institutions went all out with "Y2K" and "Year 2000" themed parties, earning derision/envy from the the kids older than them.
    My personal example is that my sister graduated High School in 2000 and when she started college, she was the first group of students who were given laptops to use in their classes. I'm a few years older and had to make due with my binders and transcribing notes on my home PC at night.

  • Hahnsoo1Hahnsoo1 Make Ready. We Hunt.Registered User regular
    Everyone's always talkin' about Millennials. Why aren't we talking about Willennials?

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  • NotoriusBENNotoriusBEN Registered User regular
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    `It's not like I'm using,' Case heard someone say, as he shouldered his way through the crowd around the door of the Chat. `It's like my body's developed this massive drug deficiency.' It was a Sprawl voice and a Sprawl joke. The Chatsubo was a bar for professional expatriates; you could drink there for a week and never hear two words in Japanese.
    Ratz was tending bar, his prosthetic arm jerking monotonously as he filled a tray of glasses with draft Kirin. He saw Case and smiled, his teeth a webwork of East European steel and brown decay. Case found a place at the bar, between the unlikely tan on one of Lonny Zone's whores and the crisp naval uniform of a tall African whose cheekbones were ridged with precise rows of tribal scars. `Wage was in here early, with two joeboys,' Ratz said, shoving a draft across the bar with his good hand. `Maybe some business with you, Case?'
    Case shrugged. The girl to his right giggled and nudged him.
    The bartender's smile widened. His ugliness was the stuff of legend. In an age of affordable beauty, there was something heraldic about his lack of it. The antique arm whined as he reached for another mug. It was a Russian military prosthesis, a seven-function force-feedback manipulator, cased in grubby pink plastic. `You are too much the artiste, Herr Case.' Ratz grunted; the sound served him as laughter. He scratched his overhang of white-shirted belly with the pink claw. `You are the artiste of the slightly funny deal.'
    `Sure,' Case said, and sipped his beer. `Somebody's gotta be funny around here. Sure the fuck isn't you.'

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    So close to the cyberpunk generation... we got VR, we got drones, we got fucked up world politics, we got shitty food... Its just a lot cleaner looking that what the 80's said it was gonna be.

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