The class abilities they showed for D2 seem kinda.. imbalanced?
Titans: half-height wall, duck and instant reload for 10 or 20 seconds (or maybe longer, who knows?)
Warlocks: pair up with a Titan buddy and make him do more damage at his wall, or continually heal him
Hunters: once every 30 seconds you can flip out and instant reload, probably off a cliff, but definitely out of line of sight of whatever you were shooting at.
Titans actually have two options
half-height piece of cover to crouch fire over
huge wall to block off door/hallways
Towering Barricade: A large Barrier that can be used for cover or to seal off dangerous areas
Rally Barricade: A small barrier that allows you to peek over while aiming down the sights and instantly reloads your equipped weapon when you take cover
Both useful in different situations.
Warlock (55sec CD, unknown duration):
Healing Rift: Conjure a well of Light that continuously heals those inside it
Empowering Rift: Conjure a well of Light that increases the attack power of those inside it.
Both useful in different situations.
Hunter (17sec CD):
Gambler's Dodge: Dodging near enemies generates melee energy
Marksman's Dodge: Automatically reload your equipped weapon when dodging
It does annoy me that Dawnblades can literally spec into an air dodge that can more than likely be used far more often than the 'new' Hunter ability based dodge.
But Nightstalker was more my thing than Gunslinger was.
Cool as the new subclasses are, I'm really gonna miss Ward of Dawn. It was so useful.
We won't have Ward of Dawn like in D1, but we will still have the functions of Ward of Dawn as long as a Titan/Warlock are in the party:
All Titans can choose to have a tall piece of cover to replace the protection/cover function of Ward of Dawn.
Isn't the mobile wall Striker-only? Did I misunderstand that? It's tinted blue, so I assumed it was a Striker thing. Which I figured was sweet, because Strikers needed a tanky ability.
Also, the wall cracks over time and will break, I believe, though it seems to be able to take a lot of heat.
Cool as the new subclasses are, I'm really gonna miss Ward of Dawn. It was so useful.
We won't have Ward of Dawn like in D1, but we will still have the functions of Ward of Dawn as long as a Titan/Warlock are in the party:
All Titans can choose to have a tall piece of cover to replace the protection/cover function of Ward of Dawn.
Isn't the mobile wall Striker-only? Did I misunderstand that? It's tinted blue, so I assumed it was a Striker thing. Which I figured was sweet, because Strikers needed a tanky ability.
Also, the wall cracks over time and will break, I believe, though it seems to be able to take a lot of heat.
I think we saw some walls dropped in the story mission but it's unclear if those were from friendly Strikers or Defenders.
I really like the portable wall for Strikers as it lets them go through an enemy pack, establish far side cover and actually create a crossfire against them. That just feels quintessentially Striker-ish to me.
Cool as the new subclasses are, I'm really gonna miss Ward of Dawn. It was so useful.
We won't have Ward of Dawn like in D1, but we will still have the functions of Ward of Dawn as long as a Titan/Warlock are in the party:
All Titans can choose to have a tall piece of cover to replace the protection/cover function of Ward of Dawn.
Isn't the mobile wall Striker-only? Did I misunderstand that? It's tinted blue, so I assumed it was a Striker thing. Which I figured was sweet, because Strikers needed a tanky ability.
Also, the wall cracks over time and will break, I believe, though it seems to be able to take a lot of heat.
The Titan wall, Warlock puddle, and Gunslinger shuffle are the new class abilities that are sub-class agnostic.
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Cool as the new subclasses are, I'm really gonna miss Ward of Dawn. It was so useful.
We won't have Ward of Dawn like in D1, but we will still have the functions of Ward of Dawn as long as a Titan/Warlock are in the party:
All Titans can choose to have a tall piece of cover to replace the protection/cover function of Ward of Dawn.
Isn't the mobile wall Striker-only? Did I misunderstand that? It's tinted blue, so I assumed it was a Striker thing. Which I figured was sweet, because Strikers needed a tanky ability.
Also, the wall cracks over time and will break, I believe, though it seems to be able to take a lot of heat.
All classes (Titan/Warlock/Hunter) now have their own support ability. That mobile cover is useable by all Titans.
I dunno, Twilight Garry has saved me a good bunch of times in PvE. That hunter dodge could be good as well. And it's on a much faster cd then the titan and warlock abilities.
Towering Barricade: A large Barrier that can be used for cover or to seal off dangerous areas
Rally Barricade: A small barrier that allows you to peek over while aiming down the sights and instantly reloads your equipped weapon when you take cover
Both useful in different situations.
Warlock (55sec CD, unknown duration):
Healing Rift: Conjure a well of Light that continuously heals those inside it
Empowering Rift: Conjure a well of Light that increases the attack power of those inside it.
Both useful in different situations.
Hunter (17sec CD):
Gambler's Dodge: Dodging near enemies generates melee energy
Marksman's Dodge: Automatically reload your equipped weapon when dodging
I wonder how many people even know there's a cover mechanic in Destiny 1? I also wonder how they are adjusting level design to make that chest-high cover option not seem completely useless.
I'm all for dodge roll. Hopefully all hunter variants have it. :pop:
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Towering Barricade: A large Barrier that can be used for cover or to seal off dangerous areas
Rally Barricade: A small barrier that allows you to peek over while aiming down the sights and instantly reloads your equipped weapon when you take cover
Both useful in different situations.
Warlock (55sec CD, unknown duration):
Healing Rift: Conjure a well of Light that continuously heals those inside it
Empowering Rift: Conjure a well of Light that increases the attack power of those inside it.
Both useful in different situations.
Hunter (17sec CD):
Gambler's Dodge: Dodging near enemies generates melee energy
Marksman's Dodge: Automatically reload your equipped weapon when dodging
I wonder how many people even know there's a cover mechanic in Destiny 1? I also wonder how they are adjusting level design to make that chest-high cover option not seem completely useless.
I'm all for dodge roll. Hopefully all hunter variants have it. :pop:
i don't think they're doing anything about level design to promote use of cover. they're just tying that feature to the use of the waist high shield.
Yeah those Hunter abilities are crap outside of PVP.
That hunter dodge/reload completely bypasses reload speed. That has the potential to be crazy useful in a boss fight where there's a sustained DPS phase. I think that its really going to depend on the damage to reload speed of the heavy weapons in the game.
Yeah those Hunter abilities are crap outside of PVP.
That hunter dodge/reload completely bypasses reload speed. That has the potential to be crazy useful in a boss fight where there's a sustained DPS phase. I think that its really going to depend on the damage to reload speed of the heavy weapons in the game.
Except the Titan can camp his shield and get instant reloads for as long as the shield is active. Hunters can do it every 17 seconds.
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Yeah those Hunter abilities are crap outside of PVP.
That hunter dodge/reload completely bypasses reload speed. That has the potential to be crazy useful in a boss fight where there's a sustained DPS phase. I think that its really going to depend on the damage to reload speed of the heavy weapons in the game.
Except the Titan can camp his shield and get instant reloads for as long as the shield is active. Hunters can do it every 17 seconds.
Yeah those Hunter abilities are crap outside of PVP.
That hunter dodge/reload completely bypasses reload speed. That has the potential to be crazy useful in a boss fight where there's a sustained DPS phase. I think that its really going to depend on the damage to reload speed of the heavy weapons in the game.
Except the Titan can camp his shield and get instant reloads for as long as the shield is active. Hunters can do it every 17 seconds.
But you have to be behind the shield to have that happen, where as the hunter can do it on the fly.
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Yeah those Hunter abilities are crap outside of PVP.
That hunter dodge/reload completely bypasses reload speed. That has the potential to be crazy useful in a boss fight where there's a sustained DPS phase. I think that its really going to depend on the damage to reload speed of the heavy weapons in the game.
Except the Titan can camp his shield and get instant reloads for as long as the shield is active. Hunters can do it every 17 seconds.
The ability text specifies reloads "when entering cover", so is that reloading every time you let off the left trigger and crouch again or do you have to move away from the wall first and then go back in cover to trigger it? I didn't see enough in the videos to tell.
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Rumors saying Trials of Osiris is becoming Trials of the Nine, so probably similar format but with The Nine flavored gear. While I'm sure the Egyptian armor will return in the Osiris expansion, I really hope this new gear is as cool. Won't be out at launch but before first expansion.
Oh, I had no idea those abilities were subclass-agnostic. I kinda dislike that. I mean, the Titan and Warlock ones are cool enough that they'll be useful in a ton of situations, so that's nice, but... I like differentiating factors between my subclasses. I want picking a subclass to feel totally important, rather than, "Oh, you always get X." But I'll reserve judgment until I see how it all feels in practice.
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Oh, I had no idea those abilities were subclass-agnostic. I kinda dislike that. I mean, the Titan and Warlock ones are cool enough that they'll be useful in a ton of situations, so that's nice, but... I like differentiating factors between my subclasses. I want picking a subclass to feel totally important, rather than, "Oh, you always get X." But I'll reserve judgment until I see how it all feels in practice.
Maybe by the time release comes around, each subclass will get unique modifiers to them? Like Warlock always drops its well of light, but while Dawnblade gets healing and damage buffs, maybe Voidwalker will get healing + faster power recharge, and stormcaller will get healing + ammo regeneration or something.
EDIT: I also want to say that I think Towering Barricade is awesome. When running Kingsfall a couple weeks ago, for the Warpriest fight kept having an issue with like 1 stupid acolyte going laser but being behind lots of cover and out of sight of everyone so no one actually knew and just sitting there for a minute or more minute until we hit the Boss DPS phase when it would finally come out of cover and nuke us. Being able to toss up a Towering Barricade there at the start of Boss DPS to prevent anything from being able to attack us would have saved like 3 or 4 wipes on that fight.
Oh, I had no idea those abilities were subclass-agnostic. I kinda dislike that. I mean, the Titan and Warlock ones are cool enough that they'll be useful in a ton of situations, so that's nice, but... I like differentiating factors between my subclasses. I want picking a subclass to feel totally important, rather than, "Oh, you always get X." But I'll reserve judgment until I see how it all feels in practice.
Maybe by the time release comes around, each subclass will get unique modifiers to them? Like Warlock always drops its well of light, but while Dawnblade gets healing and damage buffs, maybe Voidwalker will get healing + faster power recharge, and stormcaller will get healing + ammo regeneration or something.
yeah, i can see sub-classes having variations on a theme. so the Striker gets a shield and the Sentinel gets the bubble as its defensive ability. would make sense for what is essentially an updated Defender.
The Hunter Class ability as shown seems distinctly Gunslinger flavored, so it definitely feels like there could be subclass variations to those abilities. And I don't think we saw ability trees for anything other than Dawnblade/Striker/Gunslinger, right?
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Titans actually have two options
half-height piece of cover to crouch fire over
huge wall to block off door/hallways
quick google search image of it:
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Also, Titans/Warlocks have two differently useful class abilities. Hunters get one meh one and one "who the hell would ever care about that" one.
Still thinking I might change "mains" <_<
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I mean I assume it has other perks associated with it?
don't think so. the reload perk we've seen specifically mentioned peeking out of cover, so can't see that working with the full shield.
Titan (40sec CD, unknown duration):
Both useful in different situations.
Warlock (55sec CD, unknown duration):
Both useful in different situations.
Hunter (17sec CD):
Shit and meh-okay.
Info from this reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/6c1scy/i_typed_out_the_complete_skill_trees_for/
Edit: added cooldowns
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But Nightstalker was more my thing than Gunslinger was.
Isn't the mobile wall Striker-only? Did I misunderstand that? It's tinted blue, so I assumed it was a Striker thing. Which I figured was sweet, because Strikers needed a tanky ability.
Also, the wall cracks over time and will break, I believe, though it seems to be able to take a lot of heat.
Wha? This last night after I left or somethin?
I think we saw some walls dropped in the story mission but it's unclear if those were from friendly Strikers or Defenders.
I really like the portable wall for Strikers as it lets them go through an enemy pack, establish far side cover and actually create a crossfire against them. That just feels quintessentially Striker-ish to me.
The Titan wall, Warlock puddle, and Gunslinger shuffle are the new class abilities that are sub-class agnostic.
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All classes (Titan/Warlock/Hunter) now have their own support ability. That mobile cover is useable by all Titans.
I wonder how many people even know there's a cover mechanic in Destiny 1? I also wonder how they are adjusting level design to make that chest-high cover option not seem completely useless.
I'm all for dodge roll. Hopefully all hunter variants have it. :pop:
i don't think they're doing anything about level design to promote use of cover. they're just tying that feature to the use of the waist high shield.
That hunter dodge/reload completely bypasses reload speed. That has the potential to be crazy useful in a boss fight where there's a sustained DPS phase. I think that its really going to depend on the damage to reload speed of the heavy weapons in the game.
Except the Titan can camp his shield and get instant reloads for as long as the shield is active. Hunters can do it every 17 seconds.
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But does the Titan look frabjous while doing so?
I think not, good penguin.
But you have to be behind the shield to have that happen, where as the hunter can do it on the fly.
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The ability text specifies reloads "when entering cover", so is that reloading every time you let off the left trigger and crouch again or do you have to move away from the wall first and then go back in cover to trigger it? I didn't see enough in the videos to tell.
If theres not, there will be in the first patch
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2:27 into the video if the timestamp doesn't work. There doesn't appear to be any cooldown, and he gets 4 reloads in 20 seconds of barrier uptime.
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Turns out it was a Bungie Bounty match. Whoops.
Maybe by the time release comes around, each subclass will get unique modifiers to them? Like Warlock always drops its well of light, but while Dawnblade gets healing and damage buffs, maybe Voidwalker will get healing + faster power recharge, and stormcaller will get healing + ammo regeneration or something.
EDIT: I also want to say that I think Towering Barricade is awesome. When running Kingsfall a couple weeks ago, for the Warpriest fight kept having an issue with like 1 stupid acolyte going laser but being behind lots of cover and out of sight of everyone so no one actually knew and just sitting there for a minute or more minute until we hit the Boss DPS phase when it would finally come out of cover and nuke us. Being able to toss up a Towering Barricade there at the start of Boss DPS to prevent anything from being able to attack us would have saved like 3 or 4 wipes on that fight.
yeah, i can see sub-classes having variations on a theme. so the Striker gets a shield and the Sentinel gets the bubble as its defensive ability. would make sense for what is essentially an updated Defender.
That's.... a thing.