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[US Healthcare Reform] TX judge: ACA is unconstitutional

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    CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Why a literacy test

    What is the non Jim Crow rationale for requiring literacy for health coverage

    A financial literacy test and a health literacy test rather than purely an old fashioned literacy test. It should still be able to act much the same.

    Requiring a health literacy test for insurance sure does seem pretty backwards.

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    davidsdurionsdavidsdurions Your Trusty Meatshield Panhandle NebraskaRegistered User regular
    Also if you can’t pass a literacy test, maybe you’ll have a difficult time getting health benefits providing employment. Can they just call it the Racist Retraction of Medicaid?

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Oh so the reason is "so our donors who own/invest in companies that provide financial and health literacy tests get tax payer dollars"

    Got it

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    I'm fairly sure that a literacy test would be struck down in court in about 15 seconds

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Being able to read the label on a bottle of pills might come in handy...

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    EncEnc A Fool with Compassion Pronouns: He, Him, HisRegistered User regular
    Being able to read the label on a bottle of pills might come in handy...

    So, if you can't read the bottle, you should just be left to die then? Even if you are perfectly capable of following direction from your doctor?

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    Captain InertiaCaptain Inertia Registered User regular
    Yeah, fuck blind people and their medicine they can't take anyway cause they can't read the label!

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    ButtcleftButtcleft Registered User regular
    a literacy test.

    Because 'muricuh dont need to learn from past mistakes, when its all to eager to keep making them again and again and again and again..

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Literacy is 100% irrelevant to whether someone needs health insurance. Illiteracy is never due to laziness, even the laziest student learns to read eventually. It is always due either to a disability or catastrophic failure of the education system.

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    chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    I know that "literacy test" has a long and storied history in the USA, but that isn't exactly what they are proposing. Now what they are proposing is still quite bad, because they want to test people's knowledge of (presumably personal) finance and healthcare before allowing them to claim benefits. This is 100% a bad thing because our educational system doesn't teach that sort of thing (and it really should) and there is no provision for helping people learn it. It's just another way to deny people government assistance, and definitely designed to target the most needy. It is vile, no two ways about it, but it's a different sort of vile from the Jim Crow "literacy tests" used to deny brown people their right to vote.

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    JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    Edited my post, sorry for the lack of clarity.

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    mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Literacy is 100% irrelevant to whether someone needs health insurance. Illiteracy is never due to laziness, even the laziest student learns to read eventually. It is always due either to a disability or catastrophic failure of the education system.

    Lazy people deserve healthcare too. The only acceptable criteria before providing healthcare are need and availability.
    Even the laziest orange fascist horror clown deserve healthcare.

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    FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    Can you really ask for a literacy test that your POTUS wouldn't be able to pass?

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    dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    If you can't pass the literacy test then a class tutor or teacher should be provided, which means you're in school, which means you're compliant and get Medicare/Medicaid.

    I'm down with providing opportunity for a better future. Somehow I don't think that's the goal here.

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    LabelLabel Registered User regular
    Fuck you you racist shits.

    God fucking damnit.


    Even if all you cared about was your own skinny wallet, doing this fucking costs you more money!

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    MorganVMorganV Registered User regular
    Label wrote: »
    Fuck you you racist shits.

    God fucking damnit.


    Even if all you cared about was your own skinny wallet, doing this fucking costs you more money!
    BUT... it hurts poor people. So it's working as intended.

    Given the choice between gaining a dollar, or spending a dollar to hurt a minority, for some of these assholes, there is no choice. It's the latter, every single time.

    Of course, the fact that some of the same people cheering this on, will be the same people being hurt by it, well, that's going to be blamed on the Democrats.

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    Styrofoam SammichStyrofoam Sammich WANT. normal (not weird)Registered User regular
    News cycle so caught up in trying to decide if the president is racist or feeble that the Administration giving the green light to premiums for medicaid is getting no traction.

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    ViskodViskod Registered User regular
    Literacy Test?

    Man Kentucky really reaches for the conservative stars.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    Mugsley wrote: »
    NPR had the Lt. Gov from Kansas (apparently a practicing MD) on this morning to talk through this. The interviewer tossed out a half dozen examples of people on Medicaid -- including those who care for others who can't work -- and he said, "of course, they would not have to work," for each one of them. Which, at that point, I'm not even sure who this is supposed to affect if everyone is an exception to the rule.

    People of color.

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    Santa ClaustrophobiaSanta Claustrophobia Ho Ho Ho Disconnecting from Xbox LIVERegistered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Being able to read the label on a bottle of pills might come in handy...

    So, if you can't read the bottle, you should just be left to die then? Even if you are perfectly capable of following direction from your doctor?

    Yes. If you can't read, work, look right, vote right, and decode the secret Ovaltine message, then clearly death is preferable.

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    ArcTangentArcTangent Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Politico reporter


    Title X is the grant program for family planning and related preventative services.

    Manning infamously claimed that contraceptives don't work.

    Her successor just doesn't believe in contraceptive research, and promotes a particularly sexist flavor of abstinence only education.

    Only the best in charge of women's healthcare.

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    FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    So what, she wasn't awful enough?

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    shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Ooo, a literacy test

    They never get abused

    ... the fuck. Who the fuck hears those two words in this country and doesn't immediately think Jim Crow?

    (I know who, but...)

    No one. It's just the Republican half of your country is pro-Jim-Crow.

    Everything about this whole thing is designed to fuck over minorities and also some of the poor too.

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    EclecticGrooveEclecticGroove Registered User regular
    shryke wrote: »
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Ooo, a literacy test

    They never get abused

    ... the fuck. Who the fuck hears those two words in this country and doesn't immediately think Jim Crow?

    (I know who, but...)

    No one. It's just the Republican half of your country is pro-Jim-Crow.

    Everything about this whole thing is designed to fuck over minorities and also some of the poor too.

    No, pretty much all of the poor. It's just they have been doing an amazing job at convincing a portion of those poor people to keep voting for them and blame someone else for any/all issues.

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    I think I'm going to start judging the US health care system by the percentage of GoFundMe drives that are to help pay medical bills.

    I don't know if I'm just noticing it more, but this is a travesty.

    Edit: an article about this from a UK paper


    Why are so many Americans crowdfunding their healthcare?

    Then there is the issue of money. In the US, where healthcare is not a human right, any serious illness comes with a financial shock. The average cost of hospital stays for cancer patients in 2015 was $31,390, according to government figures — about half that year’s median household income.
    The rise of online fundraising for medical expenses brings its own troubling consequences, replicating some of the inequalities already dividing the country by forcing people to compete for funds.

    “I remember the day we launched the YouCaring site. For me it was devastating,” Koziner says. “Because now the world knew that my daughter had cancer. You’re not just asking for money. You’re telling people what’s wrong.” Masucci says they had ended up stepping over boundaries they would have never imagined crossing. “So we’ve amassed a good amount of money through the YouCaring site and for that we’re grateful, but should it have to be that way?”

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    Mx. QuillMx. Quill I now prefer "Myr. Quill", actually... {They/Them}Registered User regular
    No, it shouldn't have to be that way.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    Crowdfunding sick people puts a disproportionate burden on the poor and lower-middle classes, who are the most likely to have family and friends in this situation. An upper-middle class or rich man will mostly know other people of the same class who do not need help when they get sick.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    I think I'm going to start judging the US health care system by the percentage of GoFundMe drives that are to help pay medical bills.

    I don't know if I'm just noticing it more, but this is a travesty.

    Edit: an article about this from a UK paper


    Why are so many Americans crowdfunding their healthcare?

    Then there is the issue of money. In the US, where healthcare is not a human right, any serious illness comes with a financial shock. The average cost of hospital stays for cancer patients in 2015 was $31,390, according to government figures — about half that year’s median household income.
    The rise of online fundraising for medical expenses brings its own troubling consequences, replicating some of the inequalities already dividing the country by forcing people to compete for funds.

    “I remember the day we launched the YouCaring site. For me it was devastating,” Koziner says. “Because now the world knew that my daughter had cancer. You’re not just asking for money. You’re telling people what’s wrong.” Masucci says they had ended up stepping over boundaries they would have never imagined crossing. “So we’ve amassed a good amount of money through the YouCaring site and for that we’re grateful, but should it have to be that way?”
    This article is super paygated.

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    override367override367 ALL minions Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Enc wrote: »
    Being able to read the label on a bottle of pills might come in handy...

    So, if you can't read the bottle, you should just be left to die then? Even if you are perfectly capable of following direction from your doctor?

    Yes. If you can't read, work, look right, vote right, and decode the secret Ovaltine message, then clearly death is preferable.

    I mean really is it worth living at that point? Let us decrease the surplus population

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    XaquinXaquin Right behind you!Registered User regular
    Enc wrote: »
    Being able to read the label on a bottle of pills might come in handy...

    So, if you can't read the bottle, you should just be left to die then? Even if you are perfectly capable of following direction from your doctor?

    Yes. If you can't read, work, look right, vote right, and decode the secret Ovaltine message, then clearly death is preferable.

    I mean really is it worth living at that point? Let us decrease the surplus population

    no, that's also bad!

    for some reason

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    JoeUserJoeUser Forum Santa Registered User regular
    JoeUser wrote: »
    I think I'm going to start judging the US health care system by the percentage of GoFundMe drives that are to help pay medical bills.

    I don't know if I'm just noticing it more, but this is a travesty.

    Edit: an article about this from a UK paper


    Why are so many Americans crowdfunding their healthcare?

    Then there is the issue of money. In the US, where healthcare is not a human right, any serious illness comes with a financial shock. The average cost of hospital stays for cancer patients in 2015 was $31,390, according to government figures — about half that year’s median household income.
    The rise of online fundraising for medical expenses brings its own troubling consequences, replicating some of the inequalities already dividing the country by forcing people to compete for funds.

    “I remember the day we launched the YouCaring site. For me it was devastating,” Koziner says. “Because now the world knew that my daughter had cancer. You’re not just asking for money. You’re telling people what’s wrong.” Masucci says they had ended up stepping over boundaries they would have never imagined crossing. “So we’ve amassed a good amount of money through the YouCaring site and for that we’re grateful, but should it have to be that way?”
    This article is super paygated.

    Sorry, it wasn't for me for some reason. It just covers what I mentioned, that many people have turned to crowdfunding and the inherent inequalities there.

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    SynthesisSynthesis Honda Today! Registered User regular
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    So what, she wasn't awful enough?

    Well, they did say she was "escorted physically"...

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    ApogeeApogee Lancks In Every Game Ever Registered User regular
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Being able to read the label on a bottle of pills might come in handy...

    So, if you can't read the bottle, you should just be left to die then? Even if you are perfectly capable of following direction from your doctor?

    Yes. If you can't read, work, look right, vote right, and decode the secret Ovaltine message, then clearly death is preferable.

    I mean really is it worth living at that point? Let us decrease the surplus population

    no, that's also bad!

    for some reason

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

    Have we tried... killing the poor?

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    mrondeaumrondeau Montréal, CanadaRegistered User regular
    Apogee wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Being able to read the label on a bottle of pills might come in handy...

    So, if you can't read the bottle, you should just be left to die then? Even if you are perfectly capable of following direction from your doctor?

    Yes. If you can't read, work, look right, vote right, and decode the secret Ovaltine message, then clearly death is preferable.

    I mean really is it worth living at that point? Let us decrease the surplus population

    no, that's also bad!

    for some reason

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

    Have we tried... killing the poor?

    That's your current healthcare system.

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    autono-wally, erotibot300autono-wally, erotibot300 love machine Registered User regular
    edited January 2018
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Ooo, a literacy test

    They never get abused

    ... the fuck. Who the fuck hears those two words in this country and doesn't immediately think Jim Crow?

    (I know who, but...)

    Oh, they do think Jim Crow. As in "I wish, we still had that!"

    Is there any way to stop this?

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    mrondeau wrote: »
    Apogee wrote: »
    Xaquin wrote: »
    Enc wrote: »
    Being able to read the label on a bottle of pills might come in handy...

    So, if you can't read the bottle, you should just be left to die then? Even if you are perfectly capable of following direction from your doctor?

    Yes. If you can't read, work, look right, vote right, and decode the secret Ovaltine message, then clearly death is preferable.

    I mean really is it worth living at that point? Let us decrease the surplus population

    no, that's also bad!

    for some reason

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

    Have we tried... killing the poor?

    That's your current healthcare system.

    with the additional wrinkle that the white poor will probably be all in favor of it, thinking that if we just kick all them freeloadin' [slur]s off the program, there'll be enough to pay for their problems.

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    MuddBuddMuddBudd Registered User regular
    Polaritie wrote: »
    Ooo, a literacy test

    They never get abused

    ... the fuck. Who the fuck hears those two words in this country and doesn't immediately think Jim Crow?

    (I know who, but...)

    Oh, they do think Jim Crow. As in "I wish, we still had that!"

    Is there any way to stop this?

    I would assume the ACLU is working on short term solutions, the long term solution is getting these people out of office.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Trump is rolling out rules that are going to protect healthcare providers from refusing on religious grounds; as in LGBT people possibly won't get needed healthcare.
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/01/18/578811426/trump-will-protect-health-workers-who-reject-patients-on-religious-grounds

    This is the most bullshit as "but my religion" gets because the Christian Bible specifically stipulates that healthcare, feeding, and clothing should be given to even 'sinners.' It in fact promotes granting those things to sinners before you give them to yourself. As usual, this isn't about religion, it's about hate.

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    CelestialBadgerCelestialBadger Registered User regular
    I bet you anything that liberal religious principles, like feeding the hungry even if it goes against local law won't get protection.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/90-year-old-florida-veteran-arrested-feeding-homeless-bans-2/

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    bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Could a person frame feeding the homeless as giving healthcare via religious grounds? The only thing I see standing in the way of that is a random person probably isn't a health care worker.

    not a doctor, not a lawyer, examples I use may not be fully researched so don't take out of context plz, don't @ me
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