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The Protests in Charlottesville, Virginia: 1 dead, 19 injured in terrorist attack

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edited August 2017 in Debate and/or Discourse
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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. (Reuters) - White nationalists clashed with counter-demonstrators in Charlottesville, Virginia, on Saturday ahead of a rally to protest the planned removal of a Confederate general's statue that critics say glorifies the era of slavery.

Fighting broke out in the city's downtown before noon when hundreds of people, some wearing white nationalist symbols and carrying Confederate battle flags, were confronted by a nearly equal number of counter-protesters. The clashes began the previous evening, resulting in at least one arrest.

Soon after the melee erupted, Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe declared a state of emergency in the city, home of the University of Virginia's flagship campus. The gathering was declared an "unlawful assembly," allowing police to disperse the protesters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-virginia-protests-idUSKBN1AS05T

Like in Louisiana, and like in Texas, the white nationalist and attached militias are unmistakably attracted to Confederate monuments rushing to be their defense. The movement to remove them hasn't made them into white supremacist symbols, they were always white supremacist symbols were once safe and now suddenly threatened.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Donald Trump, president of the USA, isn't exactly saying anything about what's going on.



    Reminder that this is the guy that was getting mad at everyone for not using specific phrasing when it comes to terrorism, now here being vague because he probably condones what the Nazis are doing to the counter protestors.

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    @Elki that NYT article is from the PREVIOUS white nationalist protest in May. This one is led by a different guy, Jason Kessler.

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  • DonnictonDonnicton Registered User regular
    A white supremacist rally turns violent.


    gee who could have predicted this turn of events

  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Donald Trump, president of the USA, isn't exactly saying anything about what's going on.



    Reminder that this is the guy that was getting mad at everyone for not using specific phrasing when it comes to terrorism, now here being vague because he probably condones what the Nazis are doing to the counter protestors.

    Fuck him he's the reason this shit is spilling out into the open

    A car ran over protestors not clear what side yet or scale of injuries it just happened a lil 10 min ago. It looks real bad. Small Blood in video



    Guy is a D.C./VA based journaoaccording to twitter bio

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    AP sourced:



    The whole thing is totally fucked.

    Also: not a protest, this is a white supremacist rally.

    The idea that your vote is a moral statement about you or who you vote for is some backwards ass libertarian nonsense. Your vote is about society. Vote to protect the vulnerable.
  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular


    Students protesting the white supremacists.

    Also it's being reported by the AP that a car has hit some of the protest protestors.

  • Doctor DetroitDoctor Detroit Not a doctor Tree townRegistered User regular
    Trump probably doesn't understand why Lee et al are so revered. After all, the CSA lost, and in his worldview, why would any give a shit about a bunch of losers?

  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    Elki that NYT article is from the PREVIOUS white nationalist protest in May. This one is led by a different guy, Jason Kessler.

    Thanks.

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  • EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    WaPo is calling them white nationalists which is kind of inaccurate but at least it's not terribly obfuscating

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    So yeah to add to the OP about what's going on.

    Today was supposed to be the event for Confederate losers to be sad that their monuments are going away. All of what's going on now started last night however when a group of Nazis gathered up torches, put on their Nazi pins (literally) and surrounded a group of students at university protesting. I thought it would've just been an intimidation thing, except the Nazi scum broke out into violence.

    Tariq Nasheed is an author, but this is less about him and more the video he's provided. Content warning: actual violence.

  • PonyPony Registered User regular


    Matt Pearce is a correspondent for the LA Times, pointing out that white supremacist Richard Spencer (who was one of the ring-leaders of this fiasco) is interpreting Trump's bunk-ass tweets as a condemnation of antifa and not him and his Nazi allies.

  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Can we stop tip-toeing calling them "white nationalists"?

    Literally Nazis, you guys. Pins, flags, the chants and all. It's not supposition anymore and hasn't been for months.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Where are the cops right now?

    Shouldn't they be shooting tear gas and bean bag rounds into that crowd?

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    Eddy wrote: »
    WaPo is calling them white nationalists which is kind of inaccurate but at least it's not terribly obfuscating

    Some of them are explicitly white nationalists in addition to being white supremacists. Saw an interview with one of the leaders saying that whites "need their own nation (possibly country, I forget - ebum)."

    Also worth noting Richard Spencer is celebrating Trump's tweets because they fail to specify who he's denouncing so these assholes are free to interpret as denouncing the people protesting fascism and white supremacy.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    Where are the cops right now?

    Shouldn't they be shooting tear gas and bean bag rounds into that crowd?

    ...but dey white tho

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Where are the cops right now?

    Shouldn't they be shooting tear gas and bean bag rounds into that crowd?
    As far as I know the current crowd on the streets are the counter protestors, as in anti-Nazis.

  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2017
    A right-wing Canadian journalist livestreaming the protest was filming the crowd the precise moment that the two cars crashed and ran over the counterprotesters.

    I've spoilered the video for violent and disturbing footage of people being run over.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    WHY THE FUCK HAVENT THERE BEEN ARRESTS

    in a black lives matter protest you always hear about fucking 20 arrests every time. There is video of violence by heavily armed militiamen. WHY ISNT ANYONE IN HANDCUFFS

    I'm fucking beside myself

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    WHY THE FUCK HAVENT THERE BEEN ARRESTS

    in a black lives matter protest you always hear about fucking 20 arrests every time. There is video of violence by heavily armed militiamen. WHY ISNT ANYONE IN HANDCUFFS

    I'm fucking beside myself
    Supposedly Richard Spencer was arrested but let go within minutes.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Where are the cops right now?

    Shouldn't they be shooting tear gas and bean bag rounds into that crowd?
    As far as I know the current crowd on the streets are the counter protestors, as in anti-Nazis.

    I'm confused here because the state of emergency thing was from the previous protest correct? And even if it's not they don't just lift that after six hours of dispersing crowds the night before.

    Also they should have still been present at the antifa protest regardless.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Henroid wrote: »
    Can we stop tip-toeing calling them "white nationalists"?

    Literally Nazis, you guys. Pins, flags, the chants and all. It's not supposition anymore and hasn't been for months.

    It's not a tip toe, it's literally what they are. They want a white nation.

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  • SniperGuySniperGuy SniperGuyGaming Registered User regular
    edited August 2017
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    WHY THE FUCK HAVENT THERE BEEN ARRESTS

    in a black lives matter protest you always hear about fucking 20 arrests every time. There is video of violence by heavily armed militiamen. WHY ISNT ANYONE IN HANDCUFFS

    I'm fucking beside myself

    Well a large number of them appear to be in tactical gear and carrying rifles.

    At the very least the scene with the car needs to get locked down immediately. Edit:oh, the car appears to have backed away afterwards. Ugh.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Looks like the car in back, a camaro or something, pushed the front car.

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  • PonyPony Registered User regular
    The fact that there were armed militiamen essentially impersonating military members by manner of dress and conduct is fucking galling to me

    I don't know if that's illegal in the US but here that's illegal as fucking hell, like putting all gun laws and open carry aside you can't just dress up like soldiers and stand around in National Guard cosplay with real fucking guns at a protest, that should be illegal as all fuck in any rational country.

  • jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    Where are the cops right now?

    Shouldn't they be shooting tear gas and bean bag rounds into that crowd?
    As far as I know the current crowd on the streets are the counter protestors, as in anti-Nazis.

    I'm confused here because the state of emergency thing was from the previous protest correct? And even if it's not they don't just lift that after six hours of dispersing crowds the night before.

    Also they should have still been present at the antifa protest regardless.

    There is currently a State of Emergency in place for this protest.

    Per NBC News: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/torch-wielding-white-supremacists-march-university-virginia-n792021

  • MeeqeMeeqe Lord of the pants most fancy Someplace amazingRegistered User regular
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    WHY THE FUCK HAVENT THERE BEEN ARRESTS

    in a black lives matter protest you always hear about fucking 20 arrests every time. There is video of violence by heavily armed militiamen. WHY ISNT ANYONE IN HANDCUFFS

    I'm fucking beside myself

    Because they are heavily armed militiamen. Even riot cops are not usually armed to deal with that, and if they are armed the only real response is lethal violence back. Not that I don't want them arrested asap, but cops are not trained to deal with what are effectively military units in our streets.

    This is horrifying.

  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Pony wrote: »
    The fact that there were armed militiamen essentially impersonating military members by manner of dress and conduct is fucking galling to me

    I don't know if that's illegal in the US but here that's illegal as fucking hell, like putting all gun laws and open carry aside you can't just dress up like soldiers and stand around in National Guard cosplay with real fucking guns at a protest, that should be illegal as all fuck in any rational country.

    It's legal here up until you actually have a fake badge or anything signifying service.

    I could wear a full on set of BDUs and a blackhawk vest, loaded with a pistol and AR rounds, have the AR slung, but as long as I don't have bars, pins, medals, etc it's legal.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    jgeis wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Where are the cops right now?

    Shouldn't they be shooting tear gas and bean bag rounds into that crowd?
    As far as I know the current crowd on the streets are the counter protestors, as in anti-Nazis.

    I'm confused here because the state of emergency thing was from the previous protest correct? And even if it's not they don't just lift that after six hours of dispersing crowds the night before.

    Also they should have still been present at the antifa protest regardless.

    There is currently a State of Emergency in place for this protest.

    Per NBC News: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/torch-wielding-white-supremacists-march-university-virginia-n792021

    So my point stands then.

    State of Emergency = cops on every square inch of that area.

    Where are they? Two videos now and I haven't seen one officer.

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  • Mx. QuillMx. Quill I now prefer "Myr. Quill", actually... {They/Them}Registered User regular
    Those UVA students are more courageous than all these Nazi assholes combined.

  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    Looks like the car in back, a camaro or something, pushed the front car.

    The video is zoomed in too far to tell if it was an auto accident gone very bad or one car intentionally pushing another into the crowd.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    Meeqe wrote: »
    Hakkekage wrote: »
    WHY THE FUCK HAVENT THERE BEEN ARRESTS

    in a black lives matter protest you always hear about fucking 20 arrests every time. There is video of violence by heavily armed militiamen. WHY ISNT ANYONE IN HANDCUFFS

    I'm fucking beside myself

    Because they are heavily armed militiamen. Even riot cops are not usually armed to deal with that, and if they are armed the only real response is lethal violence back. Not that I don't want them arrested asap, but cops are not trained to deal with what are effectively military units in our streets.

    This is horrifying.

    Current Riot Cops in any city big enough to have a riot or swat department have military grade firepower brought back from the war.

    They're literally drowning in it.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Someone managed to capture a photo accenting the states of affairs. Nazis in the back, being protected by a black officer in front. Trying to track down who took the photo so that credit can be appropriately awarded.
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  • kedinikkedinik Registered User regular
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Looks like the car in back, a camaro or something, pushed the front car.

    The video is zoomed in too far to tell if it was an auto accident gone very bad or one car intentionally pushing another into the crowd.

    It is hard to tell what was going on, but the car in the back sure did get into reverse fast after it was done pushing the other cars around

  • jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Looks like the car in back, a camaro or something, pushed the front car.

    The video is zoomed in too far to tell if it was an auto accident gone very bad or one car intentionally pushing another into the crowd.

    The ACLU of Virginia is stating that witnesses said a rock was thrown at the silver Mustang by counter-protesters and it then turned around and ran into the counter-protesters.

  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    Looks like the car in back, a camaro or something, pushed the front car.

    The video is zoomed in too far to tell if it was an auto accident gone very bad or one car intentionally pushing another into the crowd.

    Here's another one. There's video further down in the thread;


    On site witnesses are saying that the car hit, put it in reverse, then hit again.

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  • Kid PresentableKid Presentable Registered User regular
    jgeis wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    Where are the cops right now?

    Shouldn't they be shooting tear gas and bean bag rounds into that crowd?
    As far as I know the current crowd on the streets are the counter protestors, as in anti-Nazis.

    I'm confused here because the state of emergency thing was from the previous protest correct? And even if it's not they don't just lift that after six hours of dispersing crowds the night before.

    Also they should have still been present at the antifa protest regardless.

    There is currently a State of Emergency in place for this protest.

    Per NBC News: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/torch-wielding-white-supremacists-march-university-virginia-n792021

    So my point stands then.

    State of Emergency = cops on every square inch of that area.

    Where are they? Two videos now and I haven't seen one officer.

    Around 12:30 I saw footage of Virginia State Police in full riot gear pushing some nazis out of the park grounds. Not sure where they are now.

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